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Invisiblewriter

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Ah ok, so it is a bit differen. Thanks for clarifyin.

How is she in person? Do you like her?
I personally Haven’t met her but when she visited our service which supports people after rape or sexual assault she asked if those attend where given toiletries for a shower after their examination and was told that we couldn’t afford to do that for everyone. So she set up a scheme with Boots ( she pays for it) to make sure that everyone who attend gets a care bag, which is full of toiletries, wash cloth, bobbles, mascara etc to use for their shower and the can take it home. The bags are lovely..
 
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Emsie

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I have a close family member who served with Harry during his tours and trust me he had a great bit of PR because what he actually did during the conflict was hardly anything.


This is an absolutely different story than what I’ve heard by several different sources. Yeah he wanted to socialise - he liked to party. But putting in the graft? The man had several soldiers act as babysitters for him because he wanted to fulfil his fantasy of being in the army. When they were out walking with him the first radio call was always the get Harry to safety. Just being out there put his fellow soldiers at risk because he had such a prize on his head, it was utterly selfish in my opinion. I’ve written about what a family friend experienced with Harry here before. I hope this link works. https://tattle.life/threads/secret-celeb-gossip.4701/post-904560


It’s because (in theory) although Meghan is mixed race, she isn’t dark skinned so therefore doesn’t experience the same amount of prejudice that a darker skinned person would do.
Speaking as a mixed race woman Ive never heard anything so ridiculous in my life. She is a brown woman and will have experienced racism. White passing. What an awful expression 😡 Not white enough, not black enough are the usual accusations thrown at mixed race people 🙄 makes me sick. We're mixed race and we are allowed to embrace both sides without authorisation from either black or white.
 
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Sideboard Bob

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Yeah, Hitler had a rough childhood too I hear..
Exactly. I’m very defensive of elderly people when they’re unfairly described as being racist for just using the wrong word (if they’re clearly NOT racist in their actions and how they treat others), but Philip isn’t a typical older person, he’s got no reason to be ignorant, his whole life and career has been spent travelling and meeting people from all over the world. It’s not that he doesn‘t know better, he was just being nasty.
 
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LaraQ

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It's going to be so weird when The Queen dies.I'm not a monarchist at all,but she has always just... been there.I can't imagine a time when she won't be.And Charles is such a limp d*ck.
 
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Vanillaco

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But nearly everyone had the same thought process in the time he’s from. The man is nearly 100 years old. A lot of things have changed. Such as what were classed as jokes and what weren’t. It was completely different times he grew up in. How many of you have met an old man or grandpa that says things you would deem as racist or politically incorrect now. Majority of the time they don’t even realise it’s racist or wrong what they are saying. It’s just how they were brought up back then.
Not all old people are racist either though. There are old people who say racist things, but they would have lived through the times we have as well. They have just decided they are still gong to be racist and have decided not to learn anything from their lengthy time on Earth. My dad is 84 and was an anti racism campaigner in the 60's and 70's. Its not a new phenomenon. Him coming out and calling people slitty eyes and being rude to leaders of countries he has visited just demonstrates his superiority complex and lack of respect and wilful lack of understanding of different cultures. The Queen may well be racist, but she knows how to be polite to her hosts when they travel to parts of the Commonwealth. He doesnt give a stuff and everyone goes 'Oh he's a funny old man/ he tells it like it is blah blah blah. No hes rude and offensive, and he was like it well before he was an old man.
 
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DCICassieStuart

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Sophie came to my workplace several years ago - when it was first announced management said that there’d be a names out of a hat to choose who would meet her. In the event no one wanted to, in fact staff were asking for the day off! Especially when we were issued with long outlines of what we could talk about and how to conduct ourselves and that we should curtsy ! A lot of us are old enough to remember her as a PR girl and fake sheik antics! No way would anyone curtsy!
In this day and age it's archaic that people still curtsy. I wouldn't bow down to anyone. What have the royal family ever done that means they're better than me or anyone else? I remember seeing a photo of Sophie curtsying to the Queen and thought it'd be a bloody cold day in hell before I'd ever curtsy to my mother in law!
 
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thatstupidcat

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I believe Wills puts it about like all the other entitled blokes in his family.

He’s just another dim aristocrat with a degree in Geography who was parked in the military long enough to give the impression that he did more than he really did before leaving at the first opportunity.

I know he is popular because he has got really good PR, cute kids and gives really fun messages during his Zoom calls from his palace. Also, I know his stick wife looks very pretty in her size 4s and not remotely ill and haggard. However, between briefing the press against his dad and brother, I don’t believe he is remotely as nice as the fairy tale put out.

When people keep saying ”oh, but they only cost everyone 20p a week” I always reply that I’d rather put mine towards the UK’s SEN budget for schools. UK prisons that cost many times more than the Royal Family (plus the family’s security plus NDA budgets) are filled with prisoners with special needs, literacy and communication disorders.

Or parades and free tours of palaces for those who value old buildings, pomp and patriotic singing more.
 
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vikka

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I suspect because aristos are so inbred, they all look similar 😄
Literally what I wanted to write as well! 😂 🙈
I mean we do have the historically biological Adam and Eve, i.e. we do all come from the same ancestors, but the English upper class has an even shallower pool of common ancestors than the average person (in more recent generations, too).

Last evening I remembered I hadn't been on celebitchy in ages (not since I read their article on the whole Kate vs Tattler affair) and that I wanted to check out the comments.
The comments were really good, if anyone of you is interested in learning a bit more why people dislike Kate (& Will) and want to catch up a bit on a more realistic and honest history of them, I recommend you head over and read esp the comments.
The comments aren't a hate-cesspool where every single button and seam is taken apart and every single flick of the hand (literally, people would take apart every single coat as "shoddy work" of Kate's and I see the same happen to Meg and it's just too much, it's the type I find is hating for hate's sake), but honest and accurate. I went through the first page of the article linked under "Kate M"

There are also comments about Kate's inappropriate wardrobe, which made me remember when she used to wear jeggings to engagements, for years. So tight you could see everything and I bet they had to cut her out of those things at the end of the day. In particular what's burnt into my memory is this hideous disaster
Why she thought this is appropriate and professional attire, is beyond me.

I also read that Catherine Quinn left them, without a transition period, which is pretty shocking and hints at a bad state of affairs behind closed doors. If anyone thinks the Ssexes are the only ones with a revolving door of staff, I have a bridge to sell you. The Cambs (and the Waleses back in the day) were long famous for ever-changing staff. One gardener and his wife went from one royal household to the Cambs's at Anmer and left after 2 months, asking to be rotated elsewhere. This was a few years ago. Such things speak volumes.
She had their tennis court moved at Anmer, because she wanted "a nicer view". It was moved, cost a fortune and is now encoraching their neighbour's property (with his permission, obvs, but how frikkin selfish and shallow can you be??).

Quinn was fantastic, she also whipped Kate a bit into shape, there was a notable difference in her engagements, so I'm pretty sad that she's left (last year apparently!!).
The noted differences, incl these days, for which Kate gets praise (by me, too) are pretty small though. It's literally baby steps and things that should've happened within 1-2 years of her as royal.

The Ssexes do suck, but M out-worked K by miles. M's projects were good and actually did help some people (capsule collection, cookbook), whereas K has nothing to show for nearly 10 years. The 5 questions thing was pretty naff and useless. Research in that field has been done for ages and they brought nothing new to the table. It is literally to prop up K. KP deperately is trying to give her a longterm project for impact, but nothing works (almost any royal has some lifelong project, the Cambs don't. Charles and the Prince's Trust and organic farming, Camilla domestic abuse, Diana HIV/AIDS and landmines, Harry Invictus, Phil the Edinburgh Awards). She said herself earlier that she only became interested in kids since G came along. She blames "unhappy childhoods" on mental health issues, yet her brother has spoken about being depressed. Will has said earlier this year that quarantine was nice, as he could spend more time with the kids and didn't see them much last year. How? Where was he? He sure as heck isn't killing himself with engagements.

The beginning of K was all "she'll have only a handful of patronages, but work will be more concentrated". Cue donations for EACH dipping significantly, one charity shutting down and others complaining that Kate hadn't turnt up in years. Cue also constant press releases, after every childbirth and some inbetween, how "keen" she is "to hit the ground running" (after mat leave, once the new year starts... the goal posts kept being moved). Nothing ever happened. This was KP's literal wording in several press releases, which is why "keen" is kind of a catch-word in relation to Kate and you'll see that often mentioned in Celebitchy's comments. Someone wrote "kween of keen" and I snort-laughed.

Harry's thing was Heads Together, the Cambs latched onto that, his was Invictus and early on Will tried to latch onto that as well. So I do believe the Ssexes are very frustrated with the way things are run in the family. Whilst they are problematic, they don't talk entirely out of their arses.
The Ssexes with their work have made some difference and as their critics say they didn't want to be 2nd fiddle, I do agree, but H's (and then M's) work has been shafted because they can't outwork and outshine the heir, so the frustration is real. Imagine being Harry, having two great ideas and getting to work and your brother (or in the office co-worker) coming along for some credit and praise. That's fcked up.

I have written about this before, so I'm sorry for repeats and boring some of you who've read this, but Kate's "guest editor" stint at HuffPost has me still enraged, all these years later.
HuffPost literally moved their offices (desktop computers and all) for a day to KP to accommodate K, "for security reasons" (except Charles and Anne guest-edited magazines before and security was never an issue when the literal heir had to pop into a paper's offices, but mmmmkay).
Kate showed up late (even though she was at KP and they came to her office!!!) and a stint that was supposed to last all day, she stayed for... wait for it... 50 minutes. Met some kiddies along the way and then pissed-the-fck-off to go.... wait for THAT.. shopping. Yes. Madam was papped that day shopping in the High Street and the pic was released. This is especially huge, as at the time the Cambs sued the press at the drop of a hat and the lawyers wanted to leave the Winds's services because it became so much (I shyte you not, the lawyers would do some "pro bono"(!!!) work for the super rich Windsors (to keep them as clients and use that for their own PR, obvs, no altruism here!) and the Cambs exhausted all the free hours and the firm was about to charge the Windsors their hefty fees, which led to the Cambs receiving a bollocking from higher up to drop their shyte). Pap pics were extremely rare at the time (still are actually), the Cambs even put up signs illegally (!!!!) cutting off public paths declaring them "private property". The press was pissed at Kate for the bs she pulled with HuffPost and the press stuck together, so the pap pics were published.

The press has been pissed at the Cambs many times, but they would have "special events" wherein they'd invite a set press pack to KP and whip out the kids to perform like circus clowns, cue sudden sugary articles the next day. Journos have tweeted when they went to KP for this, it's well documented. This is ironic, considering Will complained so much about being used as kid for PR and how he'd never do that, yet, here we are. These are the people who after all made George meet Obama in his dressing gown for PR points. That was embarrassing and was ridiculed, rightly so.

For ladies who dress well and do well look at Victoria of Sweden, Letizia, Maxima... The little heirs of Europe are really well brought up and hugely accomplished, growing up multi-lingual. Leonor of Spain and Elisabeth of Belgium have given speeches in 3 languages. These two are kids, Elisabeth just turnt 18. Then you look at Britain's heir and his wife.... When teens do better than you, you really have to ask yourself some tough questions. Then K gets praise for the bare minimum and it's mindboggling.

This has been a long rant basically, but the discussions here and me heading over to celebitchy after a long time have really got me going. Haven't ever followed the Cambs as closely as many others did and way less in the recent few years, so my info has become shallower, but I see that little has in fact changed. Some things I wrote in this long-ass post are mentioned in the Celebitchy comments, but I wanted to mention some stuff extra.

At the beginning when Kate & Will became engaged I started following them a bit and was a bit of a sugar (though I just read articles and followed the pics) and couldn't understand the negative comments. After George was born I started to look closer and learn a bit about why people complained so much, started following some critical blogs etc and saw they had a point. That was the turning point for me, from (very shallow) admirer to critic. Been pretty critical of all of them, incl the Cambs ever since bothering to actually see what the nay-sayers were all about. In recent years I've pretty much only paid attention to Kate's outfits, because there's literally nothing else to talk about. :cautious:
 
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Reraciara

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There was no way H and M could or should return. They have both behaved in a completely disrespectful way to the Queen.
How have they disrespected thd Queen? I'm sure her sex predator of a son gives her enough heartache hiding behind her
 
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Curly Top

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There is no way Prince Charles would stand aside for Prince William. He has been waiting all his life for the top job. He will absolutely relish his time in the sun. PW would not appreciate an early step up on to the throne either. He is happy as he is.
 
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annapolly

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Crikey, just had a look on Tumblr and people are blaming Harry for Phil’s ill health. Philip has seen his mother be sent to an asylum, his Dad run off and abandon the family, his favourite sister and her whole family die, been left alone in a foreign country with only a self serving Uncle to raise him, his sisters be banned from his life publicly because they were Nazi’s, the whole Charles and Diana split, Diana’s death, Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein, etc etc. I doubt very much the thing that finishes him off is his prat of a grandson buggering off to America with his wife, abandoning the Royals and doing an interview with Oprah.
He’s 99 for Christ sake - Lizzie giving him a sniffle (not a euphemism) could lead to a hospital stay.
 
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Harry and Meghan have brought a lot of the negativity on themselves. Harry frequently topped the polls as the most loved royal a few years ago.

I really liked Meghan but it was the interview in South Africa that changed my opinion of her. I think she came into the royal family thinking she could modernise it which was ridiculous.

It does feel like Harry has turned his back on the royal family and his holier than thou social commentary on topics that he believes he is an expert in is comical. Advocating for sustainable tourism when flying on private jets..does he not realise how hypocritical he comes across.

Now that they have their commercial deals and are no longer working members of the royal family I do think their Duke and Duchess titles should be removed.
I’d say Dear Queenie needs to concentrate on stripping her sexual deviant of a son of titles first.. who FYI is still eighth in line to the throne 🤢
 
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Falkor

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Not sure if this is relevant for this thread but are you guys excited for the next season of The Crown? I can't wait to see how they'll portray Diana.
I haven't got Netflix, but I can't wait to see the confusion amongst many of my friends of both sexes as they try to work out whether they should still lust after Gillian Anderson when she's playing Maggie Thatcher!
 
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Emsie

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She is also William's mother and he mentions her very rarely, mainly when it relates to her.
Does Harry not consider how it makes William feel if he refers to Diana so often, mimics photos etc?
And Diana was an ex-wife, sister, daughter etc.
Also, Diana is dead and cannot comment anymore of what is being said about her. Would she be happy with all the references to her life and the media spotlight.

Why not let her rest, refer to her when her statue is being revealed etc, but not in speeches explaining why Harry and Meghan decided to leave The Firm, copy her activities and photos in Africa etc. Yes, I find this distasteful.
This is really odd. Harry has every right to talk about and reference his dead mother. Why would it upset William? He hasn't forgotten she's dead? No one dead can comment back, should we just forget all the dead people? If Harry (and William) want to talk and reference their mum then they should. If William chooses not to because that's how he deals with things that is also fine. I can criticise Harry for a lot of things but missing his mum isn't one of them.
 
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vikka

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This "tour" is a total misstep and Wales is not amused either

This would have been great once the pandemic is over or at least a significant amount of the population is vaccinated.
They can travel because it's classed as "work", but in reality they meet so many people, it's frankly irresponsible.
Once this pest is over, it would've been great to do a tour like this to "thank the frontline workers"; they could've then extended it to 2 weeks and really met people across the country.

All their tours have been glorified holidays, which actually fits right into the royal objective of a worthwhile cause. When Diana was meeting people in hospices, lepers etc Liz berated her a couple of times and straight out told her to rather pick "nice causes", wave a bit and leave. Diana stuck with her "ugly causes". The Cambs on tour, esp abroad, only do fun stuff. Sports, cute school kids, galas. There's always an underlying "tourist" vibe there, as they have often said "Oh we wanted to come here and then this tour magically happened!"

I'd like to hear what others think who are members here who've followed them for a long time and are familiar with their shenanigans (many often say they'd love to voice their true opinion (and I've linked to W&K's thread before), but no one does and I feel sometimes a little like I'm the only Cambridge grouch here 🙈 😂).

Anyway, any longtime followers know the good old Cambridge playbook, very reliable since its inception in 2011:
December is always the month when these two come out of hiding from their palaces and do a flurry of engagements, they're suddenly everywhere after dead-silence for eons. It ups their numbers.

And this tour has been concepted with only one thing in mind, I'm certain of it: Prop up Cambridge numbers. As literally every December.
Come January, they're again nowhere to be found (except Mustique, you'll always find them hanging around Basil's).

The way they count one engagement is laughable: arrival at school (1), meet kids in class (2), meet teachers (3), departure (4).
Other royal houses count this as ONE.

Someone wrote on celebitchy it's so Kate can air her coats out. Quite true. I don't know why she's carrying new handbags and wearing any new stuff on this tour, I'm equally baffled at the amount of new clothes she presents on zoom engagements. As if she doesn't have enough.

The new bag yesterday is a classic Kate-style clutch with just enough space for tissue and lipstick (maybe a pen managed to be squeezed in?)

Yesterday also she disembarked from the train in high heeled knee-high boots and then at an engagement later on just changed her shoes into low-heeled knee-high boots. That's why 7 carriages, because Kate brought all her coats, shoes and clutches, whilst Will is always in the same clothes, and nothing wrong with that, it's just two days.
Why wasn't she in sensible footwear from the start? Additionally it would've saved space. But heavens, no!

They also like to pretend like this is longer than it is, initial press release said: 3 days 2 nights tour, first day started with their arrival at 22.30 at Euston and departure at 2300. That's not frikkin 3 days!!

A journo has said in a docu on royal travel that the royals book a good number of seats on flights, one seat was just for Kate's dresses.

Then I read sugar comments in the fail like "Kate walks so well in these killer heels, so much better than the other one" (great, grown woman can walk in self-chosen torture devices) and "Our future Queen recycles clothing on a regular basis, while Harry's wife, doesn't even live here anymore" and I wonder what's up with the world (and why M lives rent-free in all these sugars' heads).

Kate is hands-down the most frivolous and spendy female royal of the house of Windsor. Meghan was very hot on Kate's heels in pursuit of out-spending each other, but she's dropped off into "privacy".

The coat Kate wore to the Sussex wedding? Everyone was marvelling at "thrifty Kate", rewearing the coat from the Christening of her child! With pics of another "rewear". Some more obssesive folks analyzed the pics, turns out it's 3 different coats made near identical. And this isn't unusual with Kate, if you ever look at all her dresses and coats, she has so many in a similar style or sometimes near identical I don't know why TF she has them all made??

Same with all the black coats for Remembrance, esp. the military cosplays. They are barred by protocol (i.e. Liz) to wear black when representing her, except when in mourning. So the opportunity for them to wear black coats to engagements is near 0. Yet, Kate has nearly every year a new black coat and especially the military style ones can after Remembrance only languish in the wardrobe, along with all the other only once-worn coats, hats and dresses, never to see the light of day again.

Kate has indeed had work recently done, her cheeks are noticeably fuller and in one video they were quite a bit protruding.
With all the lockdowns and bans I wonder how Kate managed to constantly have a smooth, wrinkle-free and plump face, her colour always done and hair that frequently varied in length and thickness 🤔🙄

This spiralled into another rant and I'm not even sorry 😂

Edit: Anyone remember the many KP/BP sanctioned propaganda articles how Kate doesn't want to be (just) a clothes-horse, but be known for her work? Aaahhh the good old days, full of hope, ignorance and lies 🤩
 
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Isa_Drennan

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Again let’s stop acting like a prince marrying a celeb and living that lifestyle is so awful.. I don’t want to sound like a broken record but Randy Andy is getting away with way too much. He must love H&M
People are allowed to have an opinion on more than one thing at a time. Just because I like to occasionally poke fun at the ridiculousness of some people in the public eye doesn’t mean that I don’t also hold views on more serious subjects. I will never discuss Andrew and Epstein on a gossip site. I have my own personal red lines and trafficking and sexual exploitation are not subjects that I personally want to gossip about. The only thing that I will say is that I don’t believe that the gossip surrounding H&M will be of much comfort to Andrew. He is facing some of the most serious criminals allegations and it is hard to imagine that he doesn’t worry daily about where that will end for him. I’m sure that he wishes that he was Harry and being gossiped about for being a bit of a prat.

For me, Harry marrying a celeb and living the lifestyle isn’t the issue, it’s the not quite in but not quite out of the monarchy that’s the problem. I really don’t care how they do things in other countries. I personally don’t believe that people are born royal or that we as a society should perpetuate that myth. It’s a job, a position of state that they are incredibly privileged to fall into by birth. If they don’t want the job then they should be able to walk away. No one should be forced into a life they don’t want but there should be a defined process to facilitate it and it should be decided by parliament not the royal family. Part of that process should be the relinquishing all of titles and privileges that come with the role. Taking away the titles shouldn’t be seen or used as a punishment, it should be a natural part of the process of giving up the job.
 
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Vanillaco

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you want your children growing up idolising people like Katie Price over Kate Middleton that's your prerogative. You realise that's how low it would be without the monarchy, without various degrees of class within society, we're on our way there already it's quiet scary and it all stems from the envy of those less
I agree we will never agree, but you do realise we are in a minority in the world? The rest of the world has not degraded. I agree there will always be class and even in countries with elected heads of state there are huge inequalities but I am actually happy to pay my licence fee to pay for actors, tv presenters science presenters, historians, radio presenters, anyone who have worked to get where they are, yes. I am happy for my children to look up to people who have achieved something through their hard work and effort, who they can aspire to be if they worked hard enough. I would be ashamed if they idolised anyone in the Royal Family or Katie Price ( although she has taken her limited gifts and made a lot of money out of them)
I dont ' envy' the rich. I'm quite comfortable and have what I need. I dont have an issue with any rich person who has worked for their wealth and abides by the law and pays taxes. I don't even care about paying for the Royal Family. Outside this forum I couldn't care less about them. It should be their problem that hardly anyone under 40 could care less about them either. The institution of the Monarchy is wrong in my opinion and it distorts our country,from the institutions to their manipulation of the press.
No one has ' attacked you. We merely pointed out differences in opinion. If we didnt believe in ' free speech' we wouldnt respond to you or address your arguments, just refuse to engage. You are the only one who have used personal attacks brought my children into it and made presumptions about me.
You feel the Royals dont need to prove themselves, but others, including they, think they do. Otherwise they wouldnt spend so much time briefing the press trying to make themselves look good, against other members of their own family and trying to get a fictional tv show about themselves banned.
 
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slugella

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I have to say that I appreciate the discussion on here - it's nice (and rare) to see people disagreeing about H&M in a reasonable way. 😂
 
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StephenTJackson

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I haven't got Netflix, but I can't wait to see the confusion amongst many of my friends of both sexes as they try to work out whether they should still lust after Gillian Anderson when she's playing Maggie Thatcher!
I'm a gay guy, and even I get confused about how I feel about Gillian Anderson. She's the only woman who could make me sexually confused and wonder, can she turn me? 😂😂
 
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slugella

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I know they’re not the most popular, but some of the comments on the daily mail (I know 😬) re Harry and Meghan are just horrible. I like a bit of bitchy banter as much as the next person but they’re still human beings. ☹
Yeah the hate they get is next level and borderline concerning. Fair enough not to like people but the hatred some people have for them is pretty intense, especially for people you don't even know.
 
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