The Royal Family #2

[whathastheworldcometo]

Yes. They always protected the Cambridges far more than they protected Meghan or Archie, and they have been allowing negative press about Harry to run to protect William for years before that. Any gaffes the Cambs make are met with a flurry of positive press releases. A newborn child of a Prince gets called a monkey and they sit back and do nothing. No wonder they left!

Hm, not entirely sure.

When the Cambs did this light walk together with Mike and Zara (I believe?) there were photos and critical comments in the press. It was a private event and they broke lockdown rules and were photographed and called out.

I think it is also understandable that they protect the future king more.

This comment about Archie was vile (I believe there was a consequence for the person that made it), but there is also the Gary Zanetti account making fun of George and Camilla, and they never commented on that either

 

[Isa_Drennan]

Again let’s stop acting like a prince marrying a celeb and living that lifestyle is so awful.. I don’t want to sound like a broken record but Randy Andy is getting away with way too much. He must love H&M

People are allowed to have an opinion on more than one thing at a time. Just because I like to occasionally poke fun at the ridiculousness of some people in the public eye doesn’t mean that I don’t also hold views on more serious subjects. I will never discuss Andrew and Epstein on a gossip site. I have my own personal red lines and trafficking and sexual exploitation are not subjects that I personally want to gossip about. The only thing that I will say is that I don’t believe that the gossip surrounding H&M will be of much comfort to Andrew. He is facing some of the most serious criminals allegations and it is hard to imagine that he doesn’t worry daily about where that will end for him. I’m sure that he wishes that he was Harry and being gossiped about for being a bit of a prat.

For me, Harry marrying a celeb and living the lifestyle isn’t the issue, it’s the not quite in but not quite out of the monarchy that’s the problem. I really don’t care how they do things in other countries. I personally don’t believe that people are born royal or that we as a society should perpetuate that myth. It’s a job, a position of state that they are incredibly privileged to fall into by birth. If they don’t want the job then they should be able to walk away. No one should be forced into a life they don’t want but there should be a defined process to facilitate it and it should be decided by parliament not the royal family. Part of that process should be the relinquishing all of titles and privileges that come with the role. Taking away the titles shouldn’t be seen or used as a punishment, it should be a natural part of the process of giving up the job.

 

[slugella]

I have to say that I appreciate the discussion on here - it's nice (and rare) to see people disagreeing about H&M in a reasonable way.

 

[Platypusfattypus]

Maybe as he's married and become a father he's started to think about all the things both of them missed out on, as a child and as a mother/grandmother.

This so much. I never really mourned for my parents until I became a parent myself and it hit me so so hard. I was slightly older the. Harry when lost my mum. I'd seek out any opportunity to talk about them so I could remember them and keep them alive for myself.

 

[OutrageouslyScarlet]

This so much. I never really mourned for my parents until I became a parent myself and it hit me so so hard. I was slightly older the. Harry when lost my mum. I'd seek out any opportunity to talk about them so I could remember them and keep them alive for myself.

This is the same for me, I muddled along much easier when I was younger. I seek out anything I can find to do with my father now. I don’t think anyone should compare or judge other people’s grief.

 

[Emsie]

I have to say that I appreciate the discussion on here - it's nice (and rare) to see people disagreeing about H&M in a reasonable way.

This is my fave thread! Some wonderful knowledge in it

 

[sleepflowers]

I think it's fair enough that they decided to step back, they clearly still want the celeb lifestyle etc but I do wonder why they still hold the titles. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex...who don't even live in the UK.

 

[thegirlscout]

Perhaps it’s because I’m a left leaning, republican, snowflake, remoaner but I genuinely don’t know how you would make an institution like the monarchy relevant in this day and age. No individuals in a modern and fair society should be awarded senior state positions by birth or marriage. If we must have them, I really wouldn’t be comfortable with their role expanding beyond ceremonial.

Something like what the Japanese Imperial family has seems like a possibility, only have direct links and not all the hangers on (though I don’t agree with women being cut out when they marry). If we have to have them I rather they were ceremonial and it was Kate, Wills and the children instead of everyone else.

 

[lira]

Christ on a bike, if that's a youthful glow, my mum must be a baby by their standards - she's 54 and looks half of Sarah's age without the surgery

 

[sephylily]

I dislike Harry and Megan somewhat but not to the extent of the ranting and raving people on the Harry and Megan thread. I mainly dislike them bc it winds me up that Harry's had the best of everything his entire life, the best schools, the best houses and the best clothes and he's pissed off to America and isn't even willing to do the same wandering about and visiting us commoners and giving support to charities as the rest of the Royal Family. It just makes me mad that the rest of us work so hard for everything in life and he isn't willing to do the minor bit of work a royal family member is expected to do. It also really, really annoys me that people act as if he isn't racist like the rest of the royal family because he married a black woman when he's made racist comments before and dressed as a Nazi. People love to act like you can't be racist to one race and not to another.

 

[Vanillaco]

I dislike Harry and Megan somewhat but not to the extent of the ranting and raving people on the Harry and Megan thread. I mainly dislike them bc it winds me up that Harry's had the best of everything his entire life, the best schools, the best houses and the best clothes and he's pissed off to America and isn't even willing to do the same wandering about and visiting us commoners and giving support to charities as the rest of the Royal Family. It just makes me mad that the rest of us work so hard for everything in life and he isn't willing to do the minor bit of work a royal family member is expected to do. It also really, really annoys me that people act as if he isn't racist like the rest of the royal family because he married a black woman when he's made racist comments before and dressed as a Nazi. People love to act like you can't be racist to one race and not to another.

See, I'd rather they gave up their lives and did something to make their own money than go on about their 'duty' and pretend they are 'just like us' like the Cambridges with their ' home schooling' and ' We try to get the kids out every day' ( onto their tennis court, acres of grounds or private swimming pool). We know that they are extremely priveleged and don't work hard for it at all. It insults our intelligence to pretend they do, and it winds me up when the Cambridges make everything about them and how hard it is to homeschool or parent. Its not, when compared to what virtually every other parent they are talking to have to do, and we all know it. They don't have to pretend to be just like us'. They are not, so why fake it? The older Royals don't. If you see what Charles has done with the Princes Trust and the more recent Half term challenges, he highlighted the charities, promoted experts who actually know what they are talking about got them involved, promoted some useful activities and didn't talk about his own family at all. That's how you do it.
And I would be surprised if the rest of the Royals aren't racist to some extent, if not openly, considering how they have been brought up, with an inate sense of their own superiority and God given right to rule over us, apparently. Prince Philip certainly was openly offensive to people of colour on any Commonwealth tours he did. I don't remember any offensive comments he made to white Australians or Canadian people, but plenty to Black, Asian and indigenous people. And what about Princess Michael of Kent with her racist brooch when she went to an event Meghan was at. There were also rumours that William was with Harry at the Nazi uniform event, but it was covered up. I don't know if that's true.
I sound like a Meghan and harry superfan, but I just dont' like any of the Royals. I just feel they are bullied so much by the press and some nutcase Royalists that I feel like defending them! I don't care what they do now that I'm not paying them, but the press are obsessed with them and twisting every single move they make into some kind of insult to the nation.

 

[sephylily]

See, I'd rather they gave up their lives and did something to make their own money than go on about their 'duty' and pretend they are 'just like us' like the Cambridges with their ' home schooling' and ' We try to get the kids out every day' ( onto their tennis court, acres of grounds or private swimming pool). We know that they are extremely priveleged and don't work hard for it at all. It insults our intelligence to pretend they do, and it winds me up when the Cambridges make everything about them and how hard it is to homeschool or parent. Its not, when compared to what virtually every other parent they are talking to have to do, and we all know it. They don't have to pretend to be just like us'. They are not, so why fake it? The older Royals don't. If you see what Charles has done with the Princes Trust and the more recent Half term challenges, he highlighted the charities, promoted experts who actually know what they are talking about got them involved, promoted some useful activities and didn't talk about his own family at all. That's how you do it.
And I would be surprised if the rest of the Royals aren't racist to some extent, if not openly, considering how they have been brought up, with an inate sense of their own superiority and God given right to rule over us, apparently. Prince Philip certainly was openly offensive to people of colour on any Commonwealth tours he did. I don't remember any offensive comments he made to white Australians or Canadian people, but plenty to Black, Asian and indigenous people. And what about Princess Michael of Kent with her racist brooch when she went to an event Meghan was at. There were also rumours that William was with Harry at the Nazi uniform event, but it was covered up. I don't know if that's true.
I sound like a Meghan and harry superfan, but I just dont' like any of the Royals. I just feel they are bullied so much by the press and some nutcase Royalists that I feel like defending them! I don't care what they do now that I'm not paying them, but the press are obsessed with them and twisting every single move they make into some kind of insult to the nation.

But my issue is that we HAVE been paying for Harry his entire life and he isn't even willing to do the tiny bit of work in return for it. His whole life has been funded by us but he doesn't even do the duties. He isn't working to make his own money when he's just capitalising off his royal name. I know the rest of the royal family are racist as I already said. What I can't stand is people pretending like Harry isn't because he's married to a white passing mixed race woman.

 

[Vanillaco]

But my issue is that we HAVE been paying for Harry his entire life and he isn't even willing to do the tiny bit of work in return for it. His whole life has been funded by us but he doesn't even do the duties. He isn't working to make his own money when he's just capitalising off his royal name. I know the rest of the royal family are racist as I already said. What I can't stand is people pretending like Harry isn't because he's married to a white passing mixed race woman.

Actually that is true. You make a good point. And he wouldnt have his 2 A levels if he wasnt Royal either, since his teacher had to do his coursework for him!

 

[Jkay]

But my issue is that we HAVE been paying for Harry his entire life and he isn't even willing to do the tiny bit of work in return for it. His whole life has been funded by us but he doesn't even do the duties. He isn't working to make his own money when he's just capitalising off his royal name. I know the rest of the royal family are racist as I already said. What I can't stand is people pretending like Harry isn't because he's married to a white passing mixed race woman.

It wasn't his choice that we paid for his life and he tried to do a fair bit of work by going to Afghanistan.

 

[Nena]

According to an article on the Dailymail Meghan met Oprah once prior to their wedding. Who invites someone they met once to their wedding. She was planning for a live outside the UK and the royal family from Day1

 

[Vanillaco]

According to an article on the Dailymail Meghan met Oprah once prior to their wedding. Who invites someone they met once to their wedding. She was planning for a live outside the UK and the royal family from Day1

The Daily mail- who have had a vendetta against her from the start and have lost several court cases to her?

 

[Emsie]

A white passing mixed race woman. What the hell is that?

 

[darkcherry14k]

To be fair to Harry, he put in the graft in the army, at home and when stationed in Afghanistan. A relative was close to him at the time and he wanted to be treated like everyone else, socialised fully with everyone and put in the work like everyone else, he was devastated when it was reported that he was stationed in Afghanistan and had to come home. He was absolutely fed up of being a Royal and the press intrusion even back then and the whole Afghanistan intrusion only intensified it, he really loved being in the army, and this was way before Meghan came along.

 

[annapolly]

It wasn't his choice that we paid for his life and he tried to do a fair bit of work by going to Afghanistan.

I have a close family member who served with Harry during his tours and trust me he had a great bit of PR because what he actually did during the conflict was hardly anything.

To be fair to Harry, he put in the graft in the army, at home and when stationed in Afghanistan. A relative was close to him at the time and he wanted to be treated like everyone else, socialised fully with everyone and put in the work like everyone else, he was devastated when it was reported that he was stationed in Afghanistan and had to come home. He was absolutely fed up of being a Royal and the press intrusion even back then and the whole Afghanistan intrusion only intensified it, he really loved being in the army, and this was way before Meghan came along.

This is an absolutely different story than what I’ve heard by several different sources. Yeah he wanted to socialise - he liked to party. But putting in the graft? The man had several soldiers act as babysitters for him because he wanted to fulfil his fantasy of being in the army. When they were out walking with him the first radio call was always the get Harry to safety. Just being out there put his fellow soldiers at risk because he had such a prize on his head, it was utterly selfish in my opinion. I’ve written about what a family friend experienced with Harry here before. I hope this link works. https://tattle.life/threads/secret-celeb-gossip.4701/post-904560

A white passing mixed race woman. What the hell is that?

It’s because (in theory) although Meghan is mixed race, she isn’t dark skinned so therefore doesn’t experience the same amount of prejudice that a darker skinned person would do.

 

[Great_Kate]

Interesting to hear the more moderate voices for a change. I agree that the BRF will be their own downfall. H&M are highly overrated. The BRF missed out on modernising. Cutting down on members, make sure those members are highly educated (preferably with a degree in politics and economics from a top university, maybe abroad, speaking at least two languages), get rid of threats against the institution (Andrew, Sarah, Peter..). Royal titles need to stripped, and they need to be muzzled. Harry (and Wiliam iirc) didn’t do the institution a good service with their ‚woe is us, no one really wants this‘. If you think that just quit. Or say you don’t like current circumstances and are eager to change things but that you are honoured to fill the role. H&M are an easy target because they take themselves way to seriously and live it out in the most hilarious way (sorry but you are not the next Mother Theresa). W&K are more quiet but their „just like you“ approach isn’t really working either. I think that sometimes people misunderstand the critics of H&M though. I don’t think her being an actress or mixed race are the reason for the majority of criticism (but I am sure there are enough racist minds in the rest). The monkey picture was brought up earlier- I am pretty sure the guy didn’t realise what he did when he wanted to emphasise that the child will be the next edition to the royal circus. But stupidity doesn’t save you from punishment. He should have thought twice before posting it and realise what he was about to do. He didn’t and has to bare the consequences now. On the other hand - the tabloids abusing the royal women/girlfriends isn’t new, as isn’t the use of animal analogies. Camilla anyone? Chelsea?
It’s not ok. And I absolutely think it’s ok to say that or to want to decide yourself what part of your life gets shared and what not. But the lines get very blurry if your whole life builds on money a whole country has gifted to you or the profile and titles you only have because of that.
The point is- Harry or anyone could have left at any point. No one can force them to be royal (and if you look at their cousins the connection alone will bring in cash). But Harry is definitely not aware of his privilege still. Rich heirs will always either have to stay in the family company or they gets mocked even if successful because they always start at +10 already. They can never prove they could have done it on their own.
And while remembering your mother is great, bringing her up ALL the time is weird. Either in work speeches or to reenact settings publicly. I liked Diana but honestly, I didn’t know her. I don’t need to be remembered of her all the time. She had no real impact in my life. It feels as if Harry wants everyone to know how much he is like her, as if that is important to anyone. It’s not. Loving your mum, missing her, honouring her is all well but I don’t need to be part of it. It his mum not mine. I don’t care who his mother was. Sometimes it feels as if the dead angelic mum trauma is all he has to offer. It’s not but if he builds his profile around it it looks as if there is nothing more and as if he is selling it out.
I live in a democratic country but I still cannot vote for my head of state directly. In many countries it’s the person on number 1 on the list of the party that wins. That means you support someone because you support the party. Politicians are not always the most qualified for the job (haven’t heard of a degree to run the ministry of health). They heavily rely on advisors and the people that have been working there for a long time. Some countries have a double head in place. The one leading the government and a more ceremonial head of state. And honestly, from what I see the British monarchy is a lovely solution. It is a nice nod to the history of a nation and carries certain customs. They also are able to paint a beautiful picture of honour, duty and dignity all while dazzling in orders and diamonds. And at least they are seen. At least they act as if they care. The German head of state seems to completely invisible. Most don’t even know who he is. That’s definitely worse in my opinion. And it seems the set up is as expensive as the monarchy if not more. So, to all Brits: it might not be ideal but it’s far from bad. At least from an outside perspective. The grass definitely isn’t greener on the other side. I mean just look at some other countries and how an elected head of state can make things EXTREMELY bad.