The Royal Family #2

Emsie · Feb 17, 2021

annapolly said:
I have a close family member who served with Harry during his tours and trust me he had a great bit of PR because what he actually did during the conflict was hardly anything.

This is an absolutely different story than what I’ve heard by several different sources. Yeah he wanted to socialise - he liked to party. But putting in the graft? The man had several soldiers act as babysitters for him because he wanted to fulfil his fantasy of being in the army. When they were out walking with him the first radio call was always the get Harry to safety. Just being out there put his fellow soldiers at risk because he had such a prize on his head, it was utterly selfish in my opinion. I’ve written about what a family friend experienced with Harry here before. I hope this link works. https://tattle.life/threads/secret-celeb-gossip.4701/post-904560

It’s because (in theory) although Meghan is mixed race, she isn’t dark skinned so therefore doesn’t experience the same amount of prejudice that a darker skinned person would do.

Speaking as a mixed race woman Ive never heard anything so ridiculous in my life. She is a brown woman and will have experienced racism. White passing. What an awful expression

Not white enough, not black enough are the usual accusations thrown at mixed race people

makes me sick. We're mixed race and we are allowed to embrace both sides without authorisation from either black or white.

Isa_Drennan · Feb 17, 2021

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darkcherry14k said:
To be fair to Harry, he put in the graft in the army, at home and when stationed in Afghanistan. A relative was close to him at the time and he wanted to be treated like everyone else, socialised fully with everyone and put in the work like everyone else, he was devastated when it was reported that he was stationed in Afghanistan and had to come home. He was absolutely fed up of being a Royal and the press intrusion even back then and the whole Afghanistan intrusion only intensified it, he really loved being in the army, and this was way before Meghan came along.

Harry’s image needed rehabilitating and the government and army needed some positive spin for the very unpopular war in Iraq. It was a wonderful piece of PR that clearly worked.

My brother was a couple of years above Harry at Sandringham and also served in Afghanistan. He paints a very different picture of Harry’s army career than your relative. According to him he was in no way treated like any other officer nor did he act like one. Aside from the team of SAS trained officers assigned to shadow and protect him at all times, he was cosseted and fawned over and promoted far and above his capabilities. He had privileges and access to facilities that no officer of his rank did and he made full use of the privilege. It could be advantageous for other soldiers to hang around with Harry as they benefited from being his pal. I can’t repeat how my brother describes the “hangers on” as I would likely be kicked off tattle. Harry was known to have an inconsistent work ethic. He could be very hard working when he wanted to be but could also be incredibly lazy. He was said to lack focus and often gave up when things became challenging for him. This type of behaviour isn’t typical in the army as officers don’t get to pick and choose when they put in the graft.

The British press can be total c*nts but they are not the reason Harry had to return from Afghanistan. They had actually stuck to their agreement to keep his location secret. His location was outed by a US website and the army immediately shipped home. This had already happened before it was reported in the British newspapers.

annapolly · Feb 17, 2021

Isa_Drennan said:
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My brother was a couple of years above Harry at Sandringham and also served in Afghanistan. He paints a very different picture of Harry’s army career than your relative. According to him he was in no way treated like any other officer nor did he act like one. Aside from the team of SAS trained officers assigned to shadow and protect him at all times, he was cosseted and fawned over and promoted far and above his capabilities. He had privileges and access to facilities that no officer of his rank did and he made full use of the privilege. It could be advantageous for other soldiers to hang around with Harry as they benefited from being his pal. I can’t repeat how my brother describes the “hangers on” as I would likely be kicked off tattle. Harry was known to have an inconsistent work ethic. He could be very hard working when he wanted to be but could also be incredibly lazy. He was said to lack focus and often gave up when things became challenging for him. This type of behaviour isn’t typical in the army as officers don’t get to pick and choose when they put in the graft.

The British press can be total c*nts but they are not the reason Harry had to return from Afghanistan. They had actually stuck to their agreement to keep his location secret. His location was outed by a US website and the army immediately shipped home. This had already happened before it was reported in the British newspapers.

That’s exactly what I’ve heard from my family friend and others. This ‘hero Harry’ malarkey is a myth and an insulting one at that.

Phoenix Lazarus · Feb 17, 2021

Isa_Drennan said:
I can’t repeat how my brother describes the “hangers on” as I would likely be kicked off tattle.

Oh go on! Use asterixes if necessary!

annapolly · Feb 17, 2021

Emsie said:
Speaking as a mixed race woman Ive never heard anything so ridiculous in my life. She is a brown woman and will have experienced racism. White passing. What an awful expression Not white enough, not black enough are the usual accusations thrown at mixed race people makes me sick. We're mixed race and we are allowed to embrace both sides without authorisation from either black or white.

I think it’s a demeaning term! I have seen my friends who are mixed race (and light skinned so ‘pass’ at being white) struggle with their ethnicity and who they are. It’s not an easy ride. Yet on social media whenever they speak out they are battered back down by people saying they enjoy ‘white privilege’ because they look white.

Isa_Drennan · Feb 17, 2021

Phoenix Lazarus said:
Oh go on! Use asterixes if necessary!

Someone has said that their relative was one of his friends and I really don’t want say too much and upset the folks. I’ll give you the gist. The hangers on were nicknamed by some as “Harry’s Squadron of Rent Boys” who were “rimming a ginger prince for a shot on his Xbox”.

Vanillaco · Feb 17, 2021

annapolly said:
I think it’s a demeaning term! I have seen my friends who are mixed race (and light skinned so ‘pass’ at being white) struggle with their ethnicity and who they are. It’s not an easy ride. Yet on social media whenever they speak out they are battered back down by people saying they enjoy ‘white privilege’ because they look white.

Agree 'white passing' is an insult. There are people who say she is not black because her mother is not fully black. Well not many African Americans are 'fully black' because so many of their ancestors were raped by white slave owners, yet this is used as a stick to beat her with and say she doesn't have a right to talk about racism. Well her mother is black, we have seen her! My children are mixed race. They don't pass as White, but they have fair skin, a bit similar to Meghan. Does that make them not half Indian? Of course not.

Great_Kate said:
And honestly, from what I see the British monarchy is a lovely solution. It is a nice nod to the history of a nation and carries certain customs. They also are able to paint a beautiful picture of honour, duty and dignity all while dazzling in orders and diamonds

At their best, that would be true. But what we have is not the 'best'. They pretend they work when they don't, they pretend they are just like us when they aren't , they hide their tax affairs in secret offshore accounts while asking us for money and protect unsavoury members of their family, aided and abetted by the press.
I personally don't think we will ever get rid of the Royals but they really need to be trimmed down to size, severely, and held far more to account. There was another article about HM's close friendship with the Sheikh of Dubai, the one who has kidnapped his daughter. Nothing will be done because he's pals with The Queen. .

Emsie · Feb 17, 2021

annapolly said:
I think it’s a demeaning term! I have seen my friends who are mixed race (and light skinned so ‘pass’ at being white) struggle with their ethnicity and who they are. It’s not an easy ride. Yet on social media whenever they speak out they are battered back down by people saying they enjoy ‘white privilege’ because they look white.

It is demeaning. She doesn't even look white, she looks mixed race. Criticised for not being black enough and being too sad about dead parents. Honestly I could criticise loads about them but never that.

OutrageouslyScarlet · Feb 17, 2021

Emsie said:
It is demeaning. She doesn't even look white, she looks mixed race. Criticised for not being black enough and being too sad about dead parents. Honestly I could criticise loads about them but never that.

Although ultimately I know mixed race people who are as white as me, doesn’t mean they have know right to care or take interest in there heritage.

Eirawen · Feb 17, 2021

Vanillaco said:
Agree 'white passing' is an insult. There are people who say she is not black because her mother is not fully black. Well not many African Americans are 'fully black' because so many of their ancestors were raped by white slave owners, yet this is used as a stick to beat her with and say she doesn't have a right to talk about racism. Well her mother is black, we have seen her! My children are mixed race. They don't pass as White, but they have fair skin, a bit similar to Meghan. Does that make them not half Indian? Of course not.

At their best, that would be true. But what we have is not the 'best'. They pretend they work when they don't, they pretend they are just like us when they aren't , they hide their tax affairs in secret offshore accounts while asking us for money and protect unsavoury members of their family, aided and abetted by the press.
I personally don't think we will ever get rid of the Royals but they really need to be trimmed down to size, severely, and held far more to account. There was another article about HM's close friendship with the Sheikh of Dubai, the one who has kidnapped his daughter. Nothing will be done because he's pals with The Queen. .

His poor daughter kept as a prisoner

whathastheworldcometo · Feb 17, 2021

I didn't realise that Meghan was mixed race until I saw her mother at her wedding.
But I didn't follow the press, I was abroad for a while (glorious pre-Covid times) and was surprised to see the announcement of the Royal Wedding, which I watched.
I initially didn't register Meghan to be a woman of colour or mixed race, it became clear to me when I saw her mother, the gospel choir etc. But I might be a bit naive, my focus wasn't on it (as in: I don't scan people and analyse their skin colour).

But prior to the wedding Meghan didn't strike me as mixed race or a woman of colour also because she didn't seem to adopt the traditions, I think. Eg she never had a traditional hair style, dress sense and culturally seemed to associate with trendy food, trendy life style locations etc Maybe to me the cultural belonging is more important than the colour of the skin or the parent's skin.

What about adopted children? I have a friend from Korea that has been adopted by white English parents. To me she was always English, despite her somewhat exotic look. But she hadn't even visited Korea, she spoke English and grew up in England.

Sorry, this is OT I guess

darkcherry14k · Feb 17, 2021

Isa_Drennan said:
Someone has said that their relative was one of his friends and I really don’t want say too much and upset the folks. I’ll give you the gist. The hangers on were nicknamed by some as “Harry’s Squadron of Rent Boys” who were “rimming a ginger prince for a shot on his Xbox”.

I wasnt there I can only go by what I was told, but the he was said to be very down to earth and esy to talk to. I dont know the ins and out of it but seeing as he a member of the Royal Family it's highly likely he was treated better, would need extra security etc, he was a prince after all, he didnt have to be there though but he was and he enjoyed it and the camaraderie by all accounts, this is from someone who was actually there with him and not a coue years above etc, but as I say I wasnt there this is second hand gossip so make of it what you will.

I also didn't say it was the British press that outed him in Afghanistan. I knew it was the foreign press.

annapolly · Feb 17, 2021

Eirawen said:
His poor daughter kept as a prisoner

I noticed that the BBC brought up that the Queen was friendly with him, usually I would think they would have just skimmed over that totally. Maybe they are getting as fed up as everyone else?

Merpedy · Feb 17, 2021

Vanillaco said:
HM's close friendship with the Sheikh of Dubai, the one who has kidnapped his daughter. Nothing will be done because he's pals with The Queen. .

annapolly said:
I noticed that the BBC brought up that the Queen was friendly with him, usually I would think they would have just skimmed over that totally. Maybe they are getting as fed up as everyone else?

I'm pretty sure that her name is being brought up because the government won't do anything.
As Panorama mentioned, the dude owns a lot of land/services that we use daily, and some horse stables that are also used, so he brings in a ton of money. Losing that just to call out human rights abuses? No thank you.
Additionally, the country is considered a potential trading partner (or was anyway, may have changed since 2018) but also we do deal arms with them.

The fact that he is friendly with the Royal family won't matter too much, the population is probably less likely to criticise the government for failing to do anything because how can we criticise the royals?
Plus, realistically, the Queen has to be friendly with anyone of high status like that because it's part of diplomatic relations.

Isa_Drennan · Feb 17, 2021

darkcherry14k said:
I wasnt there I can only go by what I was told, but the he was said to be very down to earth and esy to talk to. I dont know the ins and out of it but seeing as he a member of the Royal Family it's highly likely he was treated better, would need extra security etc, he was a prince after all, he didnt have to be there though but he was and he enjoyed it and the camaraderie by all accounts, this is from someone who was actually there with him and not a coue years above etc, but as I say I wasnt there this is second hand gossip so make of it what you will.

I also didn't say it was the British press that outed him in Afghanistan. I knew it was the foreign press.

I‘m sorry if I offended you. I wasn’t accusing you of being dishonest just giving an alternative viewpoint on the “just like everyone else” narrative from soldiers who were stationed in the same army bases as Harry during the conflict. My brother spent a considerable time in Afghanistan and was stationed in Bastion at the same time as a Harry, although he wasn‘t friends with him (obviously)

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Alistess · Feb 17, 2021

Isa_Drennan said:
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Harry’s image needed rehabilitating and the government and army needed some positive spin for the very unpopular war in Iraq. It was a wonderful piece of PR that clearly worked.

My brother was a couple of years above Harry at Sandringham and also served in Afghanistan. He paints a very different picture of Harry’s army career than your relative. According to him he was in no way treated like any other officer nor did he act like one. Aside from the team of SAS trained officers assigned to shadow and protect him at all times, he was cosseted and fawned over and promoted far and above his capabilities. He had privileges and access to facilities that no officer of his rank did and he made full use of the privilege. It could be advantageous for other soldiers to hang around with Harry as they benefited from being his pal. I can’t repeat how my brother describes the “hangers on” as I would likely be kicked off tattle. Harry was known to have an inconsistent work ethic. He could be very hard working when he wanted to be but could also be incredibly lazy. He was said to lack focus and often gave up when things became challenging for him. This type of behaviour isn’t typical in the army as officers don’t get to pick and choose when they put in the graft.

The British press can be total c*nts but they are not the reason Harry had to return from Afghanistan. They had actually stuck to their agreement to keep his location secret. His location was outed by a US website and the army immediately shipped home. This had already happened before it was reported in the British newspapers.

And don’t forget that this is the bright spark who, after years of the most expensive education known to man, managed a D in Geography. He did achieve a B in art but his teacher was accused of fixing that.