Dan Wheeler #21 Wheelie Bin & the Temple of Turnips

[Rod J]

Everything within this post is 100% true. I have evidence to back up every claim i have made here and in trustpilot l
I found Dan Wheeler when i was about to board a flight i pick up a magazine and it was the one that showed his transformation. I read that magazine on that flight and when i got off decided to change my life and lose weight.

I reached out to Dan Wheeler and after a bit of back and forth signed up to LIFE CHANGING FITNESS 8020 Lifestyle plan wasn't around then.
One thing Dan Wheeler did say to me was " It will take time to get where you want to be but when you get there it will be worth it" solid sentence right there and he was correct.

The second thing DW help me with was Greg Plitt (RIP) was touring Australia and i knew DW had meet him so i asked was it worthwhile going and he said yes 100% so off i went. I walked out of that seminar a different person than i walk in DW was right and i was glad i went it help change my life.

I started with LCF at 117 kg and was appointed another trainer not DW i was disappointed at first but started my journey and completed the 12 week program with amazing results. I continue again while still achieving great results and got to 92kg throughout my second stint my trainer got sacked and DW took over. The results i had achieved help me become a better father and husband but i wanted to achieve more and see how far i could go.

I started with DW and after a short time he asked me to go get blood test as he knew i suffered from depression and specifically said ensure the bloods contain you testosterone levels. So off i went to the doctor and when i asked the doctor that i wanted my test levels he queried it, i had to pay for them but got them.

My bloods came back and test levels where low but nothing extreme and DW talked to me about supplementing my low testosterone and see if i can get a doctor to prescribe TRT testosterone replacement therapy, no doctor would even accommodate that i even went to a specialist he said your levels are fine for your age. Telling DW this he explained it will change your life and if it isn't prescribe then there is always a way to get it and i found a way.

I had no other option but to go down the non prescribed avenue it didn't do anything physically due to the amount i was taking. I am not sure 100% if it was due to taking the testosterone but i was asked by the doctor before getting wheeled into emergency surgery to get my gall bladder removed if i take testosterone I lied and said no. Taking the testosterone was mine fault and mine alone I should have listen to a trained professional that being my doctor and the specialist someone that has been educated not just someone who was untrained but allegedly had experience. That was my biggest mistake i ever made in my journey but it was mine and i have to except that which i have.

Not long after that our training ended through the program finishing with no real results to speak of I was just less 1 gall bladder.

A couple of years ago i reached out again to DW and wanted to start training with him again it was 8020 lifestyle plan this time around.
I paid 900 pound for 16 weeks told to walk 10K daily and eat 2340 cals (sound familiar) with a catch up once a week. After a few weeks DW went missing our training stopped with zero communication and i thinking to myself WTF did i pay for ? have i been conned.
DW reached out 6 months later (i think) and said he was sorry how our training ended and wanted to make up for it. Me being me thought awesome lets go DW was prepared to start the 16 weeks from scratch.
We started again got to about week 4 and it was all over again due to same reason as before with lot more excuses than before a hell of alot more. At this point i was done with DW i am 100% sure he only used me for the money because that was one of his many times he was homeless and going through a break down. DW could of stated "mate i am not mentally ready lets postpone and reload when the time is right '. The person i am as can be seen throughout my many interaction with DW would of been just get yourself right first then we can go again.

Trust is my biggest downfall i trust the wrong people.

Our training finished and i never spoke to him again until I was alerted that my transformation photos where being used for the 8020 lifestyle plan, my results where from LCF by a different trainer who used his own training methods LCF had a variety of trainers who did bespoke plans not 10K and eat 2300 cals. I emailed asking my photos be taken down as it was false advertising. DW reached out to me asking is there a problem and he thought we where mates, that comment right there i knew he thought he did no wrong to me. DW wanted to talk 1 on 1 and i said yes that's fine i gave them a time to call me and i even offered to go on his live so we could talk about the issue i have with 8020 using my photos. Those offers where declined and i was told the photos will be removed.

While their are a couple of positives that came out of picking up that magazine that day which i am grateful for the negatives of the constant lies, taking my money 900 pound, sacrificing my health (at some extent was my fault) take way the positives that i learned.
DW never really done anything towards me achieving the great results it was my determination, effort and time i was willing to sacrifice plus the trainer i had and that is why i achieve my results not because of DW.

If you treat someone that you call a friend the way he treated me i would hate to see how he treats his enemies. I was going to go back and delete that line but its obvious how he treats them after viewing comments here and his social media pages.

Sorry for the long winded post but i just wanted to get my story out if my trust pilot review gets taken down.
I have told the truth and passed on my payment, transformation photo, interactions whatsapp and email and if Trust pilot still take down my post after all this evidence then the question should be asked i have exposed my true identity can DW show evidence that he didn't do what i state happened. I know he cant and that's why he never spoke with me 1 on 1.

I am proud of what i achieved and continue training to this day.

I changed my name from anonymous to my real name on trust pilot and shorten my name on here but i am the same person. DW isn't a threat to me, i am not intimated by him and never was.
I stand by my words and actions my name is RODNEY JOYCE and this is my story that is 100% true.

 

[JCMSadie]

Thread title suggestion:

Dan Wheeler #22: Putin fanboy and child groomer, Wheelie Bin Laden's downfall couldn't come sooner

 

[DS80]

Better give me a number, too 🤌

 

[JCMSadie]

Yeah, she got called out and tried to pretend she was just talking about her experience until it was pointed out to her that her experience with Daniel Wheeler is nothing to do with a post about Martine M and that she was being disingenuous. So she deleted and now Wheelie Bin looks like he’s talking to himself

Funny how his own members can see he's a lying sack of shit, but he expects strangers to believe him...

 

[sarah tonin]

I see the flying monkeys are out in force.

Reporting comments - Yes, I did call you desperate 'cos guess what? You are.

You can temporarily silence me on other platforms, but you can't silence me here.

You really ought to be worried about more important things...You know, like who is talking to me and what I know....

I may have been quiet on here recently, but please don't take my silence for weakness.
I am fully aware of who you really are, and my knowledge extends well beyond 8020 and the Big PerveCast. How you don't see that what you are doing is wrong after all that happened with Chris Spearman is beyond me.

The only reason I am staying quiet is because I am a firm believer in great things happening to those who wait.

I know your ultimate goal is to have your name on everyones lips - and that will happen, just not for the reasons you want them to be.

Edit... In the time its taken to write this post my appeals have been overturned. Up yours Wheeler - you can't sue facts remember!

I’ve had loads of people messaging about him this week, especially about 15 yo girl! content is getting seen by the right people

 

[sarah tonin]

Glad the lurkers are coming forward, if you don’t know I’m Fatt Dann, I believed his bs I believed eating 5000 cals of shit and doing dead lifts in my back garden, I would be worlds strongest man, DW fucked me and my family, I fixed the troubles I caused to the TCHQ welcome to the group, right who’s won the next thread

 

[ashdlol]

Party nails ready for the under 200 event or as I like to call it BANKRUPTCY

 

[Rod J]

Hi found you all on tattle hope all is well. Time to tell my story as I have to verify my review on Trust Pilot so if they don't believe me I will tell it here.

 

[sarah tonin]

He's taken a few days to catch up on this, obviously not keeping up with posts here are you Danny boy!

Worded in a way to claim it's his plan, ambiguous at best! I've reported as misinformation on FB, not that they seem to act on anything

cj is friends with martines mum, will pass this on

 

[C_Pow]

Long time lurker here! Please can I have a number? I joined about 4 years ago, got bored by the videos by about week 3 but paid for the 16 weeks and left. It was at the time that he said they were about to update the videos as Nicky and Hannah had stopped working with him. He had a new guy for the mindset work called Dave who did a few lives in the academy then disappeared and reappeared on my news feed a good few months later saying he’d taken time out due to some serious mental health issues he’d experienced (may be a complete coincidence) and a guy who I think was called Adam who was doing the movement work but he didn’t last long either and I haven’t come across him on social media since even though I followed his personal page. I saw bits of what he was regurgitating over the years (best in the business, berate every plan that isn’t mine, make promises I can’t keep, cry about it, repeat ad nauseum) but can across this thread on another tattle thread and have become invested in seeing him get what he deserves! He’s a narcissist bully who doesn’t care who he hurts or what he takes from people. I take my hat off to you guys, no doubt you have saved a lot of people from getting caught up in his shit. I was one of the lucky ones but I remember seeing Alli in the group, he promoted her as the best thing since sliced bread and her him. I saw him move in with her to ‘give 1:1 continuous coaching and change her life’ . If I remember rightly she was a single mum to a son with some quite significant additional needs. To think that he took advantage of her makes me so angry and sad. Although I know she is the tip of a huge iceberg!! Sorry for the long post…I only meant to say hi and ask for a number haha! Oh and one more thing ‘my name is Daniel wheeler and all I do is change lives’ makes me want to throat punch him!!! Keep up the good work TCHQ!!

 

[Yuppie]

Trustpilot review from today:

Updated 2 hours ago

Marketing claims experience
This is my review of the promotional marketing material produced by 8020. The plan owner states that he welcomes debate, so I took a look at my customer journey and tried to achieve a forensic review of the marketing claims sent to me.

This review looks at the claims made and explores them further

"6000+ transformations since 2016"
There is no evidence for this in the marketing material; however, it is possible to work back to company accounts and check revenue. Let us assume six years generously giving the whole of 2022. Let's take a plan of £125 for 16 weeks and assume no discounts and no one paying for more than 16 weeks, which it has been stated they do.

6000 x £125 = £750,000 in total billable revenue declared to HMRC given support by the owner that he once made £500,000 in one year, meaning he had circa 4,000 clients in that year.

8020 Diet Ltd (10607570), the name on the agreement, is a dissolved company
Daniel Wheeler Ltd (08154179) shows identical accounts for four years of £4291 then £1297. Revenue generated in the last five years according to accounts linked to the owner of the plan is less than £20,000. There appears to be a discrepancy between 6000+ transformations and declared revenue from those transformations if that many have been undertaken. At present, there is no information independently verifiable to support the claim of 6,000+ transformations. There could be revenue going elsewhere, but I cannot find it from HMRC submissions.
650+ active members", at the time of writing, best estimates are showing less than 250 active members, which may or may not be paying members. This claim at present cannot be verified at least by me.

"100% programme success rate" is rare as very few diet/nutrition companies have a 100% success rate. There does not appear to be any independently reviewed information to support this claim. 8020 has discussed money-back guarantees and some upset clients. In addition, 8020 staff have undertaken the programme and paid £4,000 for extra coaching, but we have no information as to what they are judging their success as looking like for them.

"Coaching from anywhere in the world". This is possible and probable. Via the internet, there should be no hindrance to this, and I believe the evidence exists to prove this claim, though I cannot verify the standard of coaching. This claim I believe to be correct based on the evidence.

"Dedicated client experience team". Maybe dedicated but not verifiably qualified. There is no evidence of the current three-person team having any nutrition or psychology qualifications. I can find evidence of a level 3 PT certification and a Groupon CBT certificate. Some people believe experience beats qualifications. I prefer my surgeons, pilots, psychologists to be qualified and experienced. You may just like experience
"30 years combined experience" I cannot find what that experience is in. Does the experience come with qualifications, and what does it mean for the client? It is of little use unless it is all in nutrition, movement and mindset across the people who are being combined. The owner has 12 years’ experience of in bodybuilding, dieting and being a level 3 PT or similar. I have no evidence that the other two staff have any relevant experience in your fat/weight loss journey.

"Backed by science". This is an interesting claim. If you make a paper aeroplane and throw it, the aerodynamic properties are backed by science, but it does not make the aeroplane "scientific" or indeed an excellent paper plane

To the best of my research, I cannot find that the 8020 plan has been subject to a randomised, double-blind study, nor had both the plan and outcomes peer-reviewed by those qualified to do so. Weight Watchers claims to be "rooted in science", with teams of psychologists, dieticians, behavioural scientists on board since 1963. Slimming World claims to be "based" on nutritional science. This plan claims to be "backed" by science, and though I am not happy with SW or WW phrases, I believe stating "backed" implies somebody somewhere in the scientific community has undertaken the studies and given the "thumbs up". I do not think this has happened. They would be safer using "rooted" or. "Based on" as marketing terms.
This is my review of some of the marketing material put forward and sent by 8020 from the evidence I can research. Happy to change this review if new evidence comes to light

 

[DansBarmyArmy]

That gap is tightening... We currently have 182 members versus Turnip Towers meagre 231.

There once was a time you reached dizzy heights of 2200 plus members. You sat yourself on a pedestal and thought you were the dogs bollocks.

Until you shat on all of those below you and you ended up here. Oh how the mighty have fallen eh Danny boy?

Instead of being the dogs bollocks, people can now see you are just full of bollocks and those numbers reflect it.

Shaaaaammmmmeeeeeee.

 

[Shivla]

I'm so annoyed about the batiatric surgery comments. I've had a bypass, it's definitely not cheating. Had it two and a half years now, lost 7 stone and kept it off through hard work and dedication.

 

[Doohla]

Och, go on then, give me a number please . I've lurked long enough too. Can't wait to see these tw*ts finally get the come-uppance they deserve

 

[sarah tonin]

From your support on TT helped give me the courage to say its time to tell my story. Big hugs and thankyou


I live in Australia i never source it from DW ,
Thankyou for your support

Thank you for sharing, I was asked to pay £200 for blood tests for me and my wife so he can check them, never went ahead because I could not afford it, he plays the “hurt friend victim” I have started again on TT telling people my side, your story will help others come forward

 

[Velvet Veil]

Sean and Sam will have everything open too …..

So Dan is effectively doing what my 13 year old brother did in 1986 when he made his own radio show and gathered us all in the living room to listen to it

 

[insertnamehere150]

Hahaha about 25min mark in today's episode, he kicks off about a law for people being able to give advice on health. Starts with 'no celebrity' (rethinks, cause he wants to be a celeb) 'nobody with 5000 followers or more should be allowed to market or endorse anything to do with health or fat loss, in my opinion' (realises he's shot himself in the foot) 'unless you're a registered professional' (shit, he still doesn't qualify, think again) 'qualified professional' (eeek, still not Wheelie!) 'Or have at least 10 years experience in the field' (ah yeah that's the ticket, quick don't forget to pedal the "experience trumps qualifications bullshit")

 

[DansBarmyArmy]

Oh Danny boy... feeling a bit under the weather? How must it feeling having all your years of shenanigans finally caught up on you, exposed and out in the open for all to see?

There's nowhere to hide. We are approaching 200+ active members scrutinizing your every move, your every little con and scam attempt. Something so small as a lie in the comments under a news article is immediately called out and documented.

You somehow managed to grind along in the past, subsisting on the inflow of naive, unsuspecting people looking for help and support. You got lucky (and that's all it was - certainly nothing to do with your own complete lack of skill, knowledge or talent) last year. That was your golden opportunity, a chance to finally put in some real work developing and maintaining a genuine honest plan. You pissed it all away in record time, and now have less than nothing to show for it - you're behind where you started. And in doing so you catalyzed the development of this remarkable community. We don't miss a trick! So if you want to take up honest work, such as jetwashing drives or something otherwise away from social media and away from harming others - that would be wonderful.

But so long as you continue scamming, even a single paying member... we will be here, watching you and calling you out!

Exactly this.

For YEARS hes flown under the radar. Years of pretending hes something he isnt. Years of fooling people hes qualified ( he isn't)
Years of taking peoples money in return for very little. Years of false promises but nothing he ever says comes to fruition.

Then we came along. He made us out to be the bad people (cos of course, he would be the victim, he always is)

HE has caused this. HE has bought our TCHQ Community together. HE is proving time and time again that we were right to be angry and upset at him.

He is failing spectacularly because our voices are finally being heard, but he can't blame us.

HE has done this to himself, and I am not going to feel sorry for him, or Kaz or Sean one little bit.

He has been vile to absolutely everyone in his path. Staff, friends and ex customers alike. Those two turnips would have sat there and either heard or witnessed how he treated those people and have sat by and said fuck all. They have pretended to be friends and simultaneously stabbed those same people in the back. They have sat by and agreed with him when things he has said or done have been fundamentally wrong. Theres not one bit of shame on my conscience when I call them all cunts, cos they are.

I cut Sam some slack cos I had her down as being lovebombed but after the whole Grace debacle, I think otherwise. She may well be scared of him, or even buy into his pathetic reasons every time he is feeling sorry for himself but she is a mother and kids should come before anyone, first time and every time. Theres not one iota of sympathy for a woman that puts herself in a situation like that and allows her kids to live it too.

I really feel we are turning a corner here- the Jan and Feb influx didn't happen, hes back to making excuses and his passive aggressive responses are back with a vengeance.

He cant keep it up for much longer. He has all of us watching him and calling him out and no matter how many times he wants to call us trolls, its clearly having an impact.

He never banked on those of us taking the steps we have to report him. He didn't bank on those people stepping forward to tell their stories, he didnt bank on his intimidation tactics backfiring and he certainly didn't bank on the various authorities being in touch with him ( yes Daniel, I know...)

Glad to see those numbers are further declining... Its called Karma and is no less than he deserves.

Rant over!

 

[DansBarmyArmy]

I see the flying monkeys are out in force.

Reporting comments - Yes, I did call you desperate 'cos guess what? You are.

You can temporarily silence me on other platforms, but you can't silence me here.

You really ought to be worried about more important things...You know, like who is talking to me and what I know....

I may have been quiet on here recently, but please don't take my silence for weakness.
I am fully aware of who you really are, and my knowledge extends well beyond 8020 and the Big PerveCast. How you don't see that what you are doing is wrong after all that happened with Chris Spearman is beyond me.

The only reason I am staying quiet is because I am a firm believer in great things happening to those who wait.

I know your ultimate goal is to have your name on everyones lips - and that will happen, just not for the reasons you want them to be.

Edit... In the time its taken to write this post my appeals have been overturned. Up yours Wheeler - you can't sue facts remember!

 

[billynoballs2020]

I started making up limericks while stuck on a boring Zoom call earlier

Wheelie Bin Laden sits in the garden,
Hiding from HMRC,
He owes a big bill,
Grooms kids like Saville,
And blocks anyone who doesn't agree!