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That the final resting place of Keith Bennett is finally found. Sadly his mum since passed without ever finding out where her son was buried 😢
 
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RedMagnolia

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That the final resting place of Keith Bennett is finally found. Sadly his mum since passed without ever finding out where her son was buried 😢
Winnie used to work in the staff canteen at Christie Hospital in Manchester in the mid-80's when I worked there, her bacon and sausage barms were legendary. She was a lovely, friendly, unassuming woman and I hope she is reunited with her boy now
 
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Freedomofspeech89

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Meredith kercher! So much more to that story than we’ll ever know! Amanda Knox knows way more than she ever let on!
 
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Herefortheteeeee

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Winnie used to work in the staff canteen at Christie Hospital in Manchester in the mid-80's when I worked there, her bacon and sausage barms were legendary. She was a lovely, friendly, unassuming woman and I hope she is reunited with her boy now
That has always broken my heart. That evil man. Now I’m a mother to a little boy, I can’t even think about it. RIP Winnie & Keith. Let’s hope you have both found the peace you both deserve.
 
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Are there any particular missing peoples or murder cases that you keep an eye on and hope to be solved in your lifetime?
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For me it's the Andrew Gosden case from 2007 - he was the boy from Doncaster who skipped school one day (very out of character) and got a train down to London. He was spotted on the CCTV outside King's Cross Station and was never seen again.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Andrew_Gosden
 
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Dinnerbag

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Claudia Lawrence
I live local to where Claudia lives and my ex husband worked with her.
Police arrested nearly everyone....they ripped apart a friends house because her son had gone on a date with her.
my ex husbands GF was the last person to txt her and she was questioned too.
Rumour has is she’s under the new uni buildings or under the new lake but the police didn’t bother to search because it would cost too much money allegedly.
I know a few of the men arrested in connection to this as they drank with her. They all say the same that she was a good time girl, wasn’t bothered if the men were married or had other halves. one man that was arrested was hounded out of his home and job at the university and had to relocate to another part of the country when his picture was leaked to the press.
lots of rumours on what happened, one is that she was involved with some of the local traveller men and the wife found out, killed her and fed her to the pigs.....
Another is she ran away abroad.
Now this is something that really intrigued me.
her dad is really weird, really creepy odd, always said he was involved from day one.
now on the night she disappeared he and a friend went to a pub miles away from York for a meal. Although he said he was at home. The reason the landlord remembers it is because it was his and his wife’s anniversary and they wanted to close early and celebrate.
claidias mum went to see a psychic, the psychic told her the answer was in “the village” and named the village and also said there was a connection to “the pub” and named the pub. The landlord contacted the police and they took a statement and pretty much said they know the dad is involved but cannot prove it....
 
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Be More Pacific

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That case is so chilling. Her parents must have felt so helpless.
This is an article from The Times dated 1st November 2013. I've transcribed it as there's a paywall. This was written years before the Charlene Downes documentary that was on last year, which I didn't watch by the way, as her family quite honestly disgust me.


Too little cared for and too little mourned.

"There goes Charlene Downes, ten years ago today, skipping towards the bright lights of Blackpool. Never to be seen again.

It was late autumn, the final night of the season. During the evening, the 14-year-old was spotted in a bar at the seaside resort’s North Pier. Someone bought her a vodka and Coke. She left with a young friend. They headed for a dark, waste-strewn passageway lined on each side by the rear entrances to several takeaway food premises.

This was “Paki Alley”, where chips and alcohol were in plentiful supply for children smart enough to know that one good turn deserved another. Arcades and kebab shops were a cheap escape from teenage boredom but on that particular night, November 1, 2003, a crime took place which meant that Charlene never came home.

A decade on and the unsolved murder has barely registered with the mainstream public. By contrast, Britain’s far-right parties have taken such an interest in the Downes case that banners demanding “Justice for Charlene” were raised on football terraces by sections of hardcore fans.

Their focus was triggered by a 2007 criminal trial at which it was alleged that the child was killed by a Jordanian kebab-shop owner who later disposed of her body with the help of his Iranian business partner. No remains were discovered.

Lacking concrete proof of murder, the prosecution was built on hearsay evidence from an unreliable witness and on a police officer’s transcription of low-quality recordings from bugs placed in the flat and car of one of the suspects. Its accuracy was repeatedly challenged by the defence.

On the eve of a scheduled 2008 retrial, after the first hearing led to a hung jury, the case collapsed. Both defendants were acquitted. The far-right’s conspiracy theory — dark-skinned men getting away with the rape and murder of a white girl — gained strength in 2011 when it emerged that an unpublished police report identified more than 60 girls who were groomed for sex by Asian workers at a cluster of takeaways.

Today, Charlene’s disappearance will be marked by a memorial service in the town, organised by the British National Party. Tomorrow, its supporters will stage a demonstration against “Muslim grooming gangs”. Leading the tributes will be her parents, Robert and Karen Downes. They are cherished icons of the nationalist movement. But they sit on a hollow throne.

The truth, hidden until now, is that so many men of all creeds and colours were suspected of sexual offences against Charlene that when she first went missing the police did not know which way to turn. One of the trails led directly inside the Downes family home. Confidential witness statements, social services records and internal police reports reveal that the child protection authorities first became concerned about Charlene’s home environment in 1989, the year she was born.

Then, the family were living in the West Midlands. Police and social services launched a joint investigation because a convicted rapist, jailed three times for buggery and indecent assaults on two young girls, was a regular visitor to the house and was allowed unsupervised access to a child.

Mr Downes, now 52, was “strongly advised” by social services not to allow the man inside his home but the visits were suspected to have continued. A witness told the authorities she saw the rapist “fondling [a child] in the house and that the parents were present”. They deny that any such incident happened.

In 1998, when Charlene was 9, she and another girl alleged that they were being sexually abused by a man “trusted by Mr and Mrs Downes to take them to school”. He was charged with rape but the case collapsed when the other girl failed to give evidence.

Charlene’s parents told The Times that the man seemed trustworthy because “he had a girlfriend”. They rejected a police officer’s report that they “had some knowledge of the abuse but failed to act”.

The family moved to Blackpool in 1999 after Walsall social services threatened to prosecute the parents for wilful neglect and to have the children taken into care. In the North West, a succession of men were introduced to the family after meeting Mr Downes in local pubs. Some stayed overnight or even longer.

They included a man in his 50s who described Charlene, then 13, as his girlfriend, and a 40-year-old who later admitted to police that he paid her to carry out a sex act. Three days after Charlene vanished, a 34-year-old man, staying with the Downes family while on bail, was jailed for crimes that included indecent assaults on three young girls. He admitted indecently touching the missing child.

An account of life inside the Downes home came from an environmental health officer, visiting one morning on council business, who walked into a downstairs room to find Charlene, then 12, lying on a bed in a “skimpy” nightgown. Lying alongside her was a man in his 60s. The girl jumped up and “started to scoop a number of pound coins off the bed”. The man, “shaken and trembling”, began “pulling his trouser zip up and fastening his belt”.

In a witness statement, the council employee described his shock at “the situation I had stumbled into”. He said Charlene was quick to tell him that “it’s OK — he’s my uncle”. Mr Downes then entered the room, apparently unconcerned, and explained that the man was “a family friend”. The incident was reported to social services but “it was decided not to pursue the matter further due to lack of evidence, lack of co-operation from the family and no complaint from Charlene”.

Her parents described it as a misunderstanding. Mrs Downes blamed the council worker for being too “nosey”. They said that the man on the bed with Charlene was “a lovely, nice old man” who had merely been adjusting his trousers. Mr Downes said he did not know, at the time, that any of the men he brought home had a sexual interest in children.

The couple did not comment on a hospital doctor’s report from June 2000, when Charlene was 11, warning of suspected sexual abuse, nor on the 13 visits she made to an NHS walk-in centre over a 12-month period in 2002-03, when she regularly sought help for sexual health problems.

Her mother insisted this week that her husband always sought to protect their daughter. She described the documents seen by this newspaper as “widely exaggerated and untrue”.

This is the mother of a child who apparently made regular visits, aged 11, to a Salvation Army soup kitchen and was seen dancing for men outside a pub, aged 12. Her parents explained that she enjoyed going “to church” and often danced to “music that she liked”. It was against this background that Charlene began swapping sexual favours, during the final months of her life, with Asian and Arab takeaway workers.

The Times understands that, three months before she vanished, she was one of two girls driven by Asian men from Blackpool to a lay-by in Blackburn. There, at midnight, she walked down an alley with one of the men, returning an hour later. Back in Blackpool, she was handed an envelope. Her friend asked what was inside and was told it was “what I got for what I did in Blackburn”.

Another Asian man is known to have taken her to Manchester in an old BMW less than a week before she disappeared. Neither incident was connected to the two men who stood trial over her murder.

It can also be revealed that a week before she went missing, a white man with the “motive and opportunity to murder Charlene” gave her £40. He met her again on her final night. A police report described him as a “compulsive, perverted paedophile” living in “a squalid flat knee-deep in pornographic material of all types including those featuring young children”.

Lancashire Constabulary today announces a new investigation, pledging “an open mind” about the murder. Its inquiry will not be short of suspects. Some are white; some are not.

Evidence shows that Charlene Downes was failed throughout her life. Until now, she has also been failed in death. The reports suggest that she was let down by her parents, by care professionals, by dozens of sex abusers, by her killers and by a police force that mismanaged a murder inquiry.

Today, the BNP distorts her story to sow seeds of divisive malevolence. Too little cared for, too little mourned. She deserves better."
 
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Niamhm

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I hope to find out what happened to Ben Needham in my lifetime. That's one I think about a lot
Also would love to know the truth about Madeleine Mccann and Jonbonet Ramsay
 
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ChilliBean

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Meredith Kercher - something just isn't right about Amanda Knox
Madeleine McCann - do the parents know more than they are saying?
MH370 - would love to know what happened to that plane but I highly suspect that the pilot deliberately crashed it into the ocean

Have just been reading about the Andrew Gosden case... really quite mysterious, I wonder if he is still alive somewhere?
 
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barryjones

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Oh my god how have I not ventured into the off-topic section of tattle before! I am obsessed with true crime/missing persons. Brb while i catch up on all this. I've found my people! 🙌
 
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DCICassieStuart

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What should have happened is to shut down the whole area and then systematically search every apartment and home in the area including any container which might hold a small child.
What SHOULD have happened is that the McCann's shouldn't have left three small children alone in an apartment in a foreign country.
 
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Lezzab

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Peter Falconio, the British backpacker murdered in Australia 2001; looking forward to the C4 documentaries starting tomorrow night on the case
 
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That poor landlord was virtually hung drawn and quartered by the press. His only crime was looking a bit odd. Other neighbours spoke for him and said he was a lovely guy completely incapable of murder. Press ignored that.
 
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Lucyxxxx

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I’ve never heard this theory! What’s the deal with the nightclub staff? I thought he got kicked out but left on good terms with the bouncers?
ALLEGEDLY the bouncer found a flimsy excuse to kick corrie out and ALLEGEDLY took his car keys from him under the guise of not wanting him to drink drive and told him to meet him after work at the back Gregg's for them ALLEGEDLY hence why Corrie was waiting around in the doorway for hours instead of his car which was parked nearby. That same bouncer ALLEGEDLY had his car crushed the very next day and very soon after quit his job at the nightclub. There were facebook posts by the staff from flex which were suspect to say the least. ALLEGEDLY the man who put up the reward for information is a good friend of the manager of flex. Also ALLEGEDLY the bouncers cousin was driving the bin truck that morning. There are other things that point to their guilt if you go on reddit I'm sure you will find all sorts of evidence people pulled together! How non of them ever got arrested is beyond me!
 
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Zenchick101

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Jon Benet Ramsey - that poor girl never got justice = and fuck her brother creeps me out.

Would love for the York princes cadavers to be tested - that's been gnawing at me for some time.
 
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