Gender Discussion #39

[cesarea-tinajero]

I've been moonlighting on our IT desk as I need the extra cash, some TiM came in the other evening, short skirt and bad wig. I booted up his laptop and it was just porn. everywhere.
we're told to report people for this, so had to go through all that too.
he didn't even seem to care

bring back shame.

 

[klarakluckbag]

Because TWAW remember, they don’t need a seperate refuge they’re entitled to go into a women’s one with an intact penis and a dress on if you don’t agree you’re a raging nazi TERF

The TWAW brigade are keen to indulge the TiM's in their fantasy, whereby everyone honestly thinks that they are actual women, and are therefore entitled to be treated as such.
This is the difference between "old-school" transsexuals (such as @Jayceedove, who has posted here) and the new generation of TiM's. The original transsexuals thought of themselves as women, their desire for surgery and for total transition, was only to validate their own feelings. Nowadays, it's all about the rest of us having to validate the TiM's feelings, by admitting them into women's spaces, by letting them pretend to be women athletes, or indulging their menstruation or breastfeeding fantasies.
I know that feelings run high on here, but I also know that most women in general are happy to live and let live. No-one cares if a bloke wants to wear a dress and call himself Tiffany. But that doesn't make him a lesbian, a mother, a female in any way, shape or form. No "certificates", or surgery or hormones or even uterus implants can change his biological status.
Trans women can probably shout louder than actual women. It still doesn't make them right!

 

[Cocobaby09]

BBC Question Time last night

Bloody love that woman. If I see her in a pub in Glasgow I'm buying her a large drink.

 

[DoraMaar]

 

[Sweetcouchpotato]

I just can’t understand how we’re at a point where thinking a male rapist doesn’t belong anywhere near female prisoners under any circumstances whatsoever is controversial. It’s absolutely terrifying.

A poster at the end of the last thread wrote about how some of the incarcerated women will be rape survivors, forced to deal with his presence. It's so terrifying to imagine.

Spoiler: CW (SA mild detail)

was raped at 19, 30 years ago. Two men were involved. Today two men will be coming to my house to collect a broken washing machine and deliver a new one. I was awake, crying and panicking until 3am. The last time we had to have gas engineers here, two of them turned up and just hearing two men's voices at my door, knowing I had to let them in triggered my ptsd so hard that I ended up hiding in a cupboard, totally irrational with terror.

I cannot imagine how it would feel to be in a place where you can't try to escape from the trigger, and can't even voice your feelings without getting in trouble for being transphobic. I can't really even let myself think about it because it makes me more panicked than I already am.

This year is the 200th anniversary of the act promoted by Elizabeth Fry that finally gave women single sex prisons and we are going backwards due to the nonsensical and magical idea that a man can become a woman even as everyone can observe his raping cock outlined by his pink leggings. We knew better at a time when slavery was still legal and you could be hung for theft, for God's sake. How is this insanity possible?

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It could’ve been a really empowering story of a boy who goes against sexist stereotypes and is self assured and confident enough to openly like what he likes despite peer pressure and potential bullying, but NooOoOoO, if you like pink you have to be a girl and want to mutilate your genitals.

I used to be on a discussion board with Coy's mother. She and her husband were exactly the kind of parents you'd imagine getting excited about the attention for having a "trans child". She claimed his "gender identity" was clear when he was just months old because he preferred a pink blanket to a blue one. That was what triggered the whole circus.

 

[holliebollie]

I wonder how many people look at a rainbow crossing and think, “I MUST stop being a homophobic twat now!” Or even for ‘visibility’: “A rainbow crossing! I remember now that there ARE gay people around, thanks!” They’re not even for LGB people anymore are they, let’s be real.

There will always be homophobia no matter how many garish rainbows you paint on the floor. It’s how people are brought up from childhood and what they think is acceptable. In a family where words like poof/fag etc are used freely and homophobia is the norm, it’s education that’ll help to change views. Not crossings. No one seems to give two shiny fucks about deaf or blind people, or those with learning disabilities. Let’s give the crossings a rest and spend the million pounds it costs on teaching children sign language, or investing in schemes getting people with LD into paid work (something dire like less than 10% of people with a LD are in paid work despite being perfectly capable). Or as we’ve mentioned before, how about some playground equipment for children who use wheelchairs? How about some adult sized changing hoists in clean, safe changing rooms in public areas? How about some fucking streetlights and decent CCTV around subways women have to walk through? Not in the mood for ‘they don’t hurt anyone’. They do, and they don’t add anything, so get rid.

 

[Peachsquish]

Seen on twitter, apparently not satire.

 

[nicalibres]

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Was Madonna doing multiple simulated golden showers?
Is this what artists do? Not my fortè but It's OTT imo.

Possibly an unpopular opinion but the sexualisation of almost every aspect of our culture, including that disgusting Sam Smith video (how can anyone say objections to that are puritanical??) and songs like WAP, have opened the floodgates. It’s a huge part of the reason perverts feel emboldened to indulge their proclivities out in the open. The situation in which we find ourselves as a society didn’t happen in a vacuum.

 

[JAR21]

M&S sent me a returns survey:

 

[emmer_moans]

I hope this rapist news makes a lot of people THINK “A male rapist in a womens prison? Hell no!”

I still also can’t get over the attempt to cancel Aretha Franklin’s Natural Woman song… when will the masses wake up and say “no more” to being told what not to listen to, what to read etc.

Heartened though to see David Blunkett and Tony Robinson speaking out. More need to do it but maybe people are feeling more brave (not you, Mark Hamill)

 

[Pinchme]

Love this from Germaine, I'm sure most of you have seen this, but it's 100% truth, how these trans, LBGT+HYPGNABVCXYX lot choose to ignore basic biology is beyond me, & how seemingly 'normal' people play along with this trend is even more disturbing.

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

Oh thank CHRIST Owen Jones has waded in with his usual disingenuous, reductive, turgid, misogynistic comments. Look, despite anything else, Sam Smith looks like a fat baby sumo wrestler in that video. I have honestly had sexier piles than the state of HIM in that video. At least if Harry Styles or someone similar had done it, it could have had a degree of aesthetically pleasing sex appeal and kudos. Instead you've got a big fat manbaby, who seems to be in the throes of some sort of breakdown, simulating golden showers. It's fucking laughable.

 

[petitspois]

The outcry about the rapist in a woman’s jail should surely lead to anyone with a modicum of intelligence to realise the only logical way to keep women and girls safe is to keep men out of women’s spaces. ALL men, including those in fancy dress.

 

[smellyfootballboots]

This is fantastic news

Via Fair Play for Women

A win for Raquel Rosario Sanchez.
Feminist student societies can exclude transgender women, university students’ union chiefs have admitted after “landmark” legal action.

Bristol Students’ Union (SU) caused anger by disciplining Women Talk Back (WTB), its own feminist group, for excluding male-born trans women from talks on rape and sexual assault.

The society had hosted women-only meetings at the University of Bristol to discuss male violence and argued that the presence of trans women could make attendees fearful of speaking out. However, a student later complained.

Following an investigation, in Feb 2021 Bristol SU demanded that Raquel Rosario Sanchez, its president, stand down before banning her from leadership posts for two years and ordering an “equality, diversity and inclusion” course for the society.

In response, four members of WTB took legal action, arguing in Bristol County Court papers that Bristol SU had “denied them their rights under the Equality Act, discriminated against the claimants, subjected them to detriments, treated them less favourably, harassed and victimised them”.

Now, Bristol SU has backed down and admitted that “affiliated clubs and societies may lawfully offer single-sex services and be constituted as single-sex associations” under the Equality Act.

In an out-of-court settlement this month, the students’ union confirmed that it “understands that Women Talk Back was seeking to operate in this way” and “WTB could, should they wish to do so, re-apply for affiliation to the Union on that basis”.

Bristol SU’s statement added: “In doing so, WTB would set out in their constitution the Equality Act 2010 definition of ‘women’ being ‘a female of any age’ instead of the byelaws definition.”

This marked an about-turn for Bristol SU chiefs, who had initially told the society that their byelaw definition of women, “all who self-define as women”, meant they “do not allow a group to restrict their membership to cisgender women” so they could not be single-sex.

On Saturday, WTB hailed the “landmark” outcome for setting a legal precedent for universities across the UK which “make it easier for women like us in academia to breathe”.

Ms Rosario Sanchez, who is also a PhD student at the University of Bristol’s Centre for Gender and Violence Research, told The Telegraph: “Trans activists in academia thought we would wither away if only they bullied and intimidated us enough. But we refused to cower, disassemble or quit.

“Through our experience, we’ve inspired the first recognition of single-sex societies as lawful in academia. Our story is about young women using their voice to make positive change that benefits all students, regardless of sex.”

‘A step forward’
The society, which has 73 registered members and has had hundreds more attend its meetings, crowdfunded £52,000 for its legal action.

Elizabeth McGlone, a solicitor at Didlaw who represented WTB, told The Telegraph: “WTB and BSU reached agreement earlier this month with BSU recognising that WTB was seeking to operate as a single-sex service in accordance within the lawful exceptions under the Equality Act 2010.

“BSU has updated its guidance on affiliation and reaffiliation as a result of this case.

“I consider this is a step forward in respect of the protection of single-sex spaces which, in specific circumstances are lawful under the Equality Act 2010, on the basis they are a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim, such as privacy or prevention of trauma.”

Trans activism in campus
It was the latest clash between gender-critical feminists and Left-wing activists on British campuses.

In 2019, Bristol SU backed proposals to ban visiting speakers who are judged to be “Terfs”, a term regarded as a slur for trans-exclusionary radical feminists.

Last year, The Telegraph revealed how the women-only Swansea University Feminist Society had been “purged by trans activists” for supporting women’s sex-based rights, with its email accounts shut down and members quitting for their safety.

This prompted Toby Young, the founder of the Free Speech Union, to warn that “the gradual erasure of feminist societies in Britain’s universities is a national scandal”.

Feminist student societies in universities ‘can exclude trans women’

Bristol Students’ Union chiefs back down in row after being sued for disciplining its own female-only group over single-sex policy

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[DoraMaar]

"We - the women - we want our fucking stuff back. We want our women’s prisons, our women’s sports, our women’s refuges, our women’s bogs, our right to same-sex care, our fucking WORDS. And we will not wheesht for all you jelly-spined bloviating cowardly politicians and hacks. Especially not for those who feebly wring their hands now, backtracking on their mantras because they are so fucking stupid that they only just realised that adhering to TWAW “principles” means they must publicly side with serial rapists, and -oops!- the optics of that are making them feel a bit icky. Don’t like the sound of female rage? Find a fucking safe-space. Of your own".

A Message to Those Recently Opining on a Risk to Women Prisoners (4w.pub)

 

[SkippyDoo]

Isla Bryson has made the Scottish news again tonight. Apparently they joined a local college beauty course. Of course under their new name not their real name!!!

And the college wasn't aware they were waiting a trial for rape.

This case is mental. This 'person' is an absolute pervert and needs to be kept away from vulnerable women.

No doubt they'll get a hard time in a men's jail so sometime in the near future will be quietly moved to a female facility.

Women have warned over and over that men will find ways to access victims and take advantage of any loopholes, and what we get back is essentially “well, men manage to assault you anyway, so shut up and let them just indulge their fetishes.” Quite clearly this rapist is not a woman, doesn’t genuinely believe himself to be a woman and didn’t actually want to learn “beauty” on a course. We will look back on this deranged era as a disaster for civilised society.

 

[nicalibres]

There was a bbc documentary about Corntonvale in the late 00s called Girls Behind Bars. Most of these women and girls were addicts with a history of horrendous abuse. Some had grown up in care and went straight from there to prison. I’d imagine most female prisons would be similar. Anyone who would put a rapist in amongst vulnerable women like this because “they’re no angels” is a fucking monster.

I think the doc is still available on YouTube.

 

[AbnormalFrog]

I really don’t care if THE RAPIST is an AGP/legit trans person OR a bloke trying to game the system by accessing court-ordered victims on tap. That really isn’t the issue to me. The issue is that he has the ability to say he’s a woman and nobody is allowed to dispute whether or not that’s okay. The issue is that the victims have been totally sidelined to debate about where we should house male prisoners who suddenly decide that they’re actually female. With no regard for actual females in any of this situation. Women are just little pawns in this issue. It’s ALL about THE MAN.

This. At this point I don't give a fuck if he's a genuine trans person or not (I dont believe he is in the slightest). I literally don't care. If that makes me a horrible person than so be it. I know what it's like to be violently raped and the women he has both attacked and the ones he absolutely will attack if he has access to them have my support.

Because I just don't give a fuck about the 'rights' of rapists.

 

[Ekathrina]

Or alternatively, men in men’s toilets could just not be aggressive to other men who present differently I suppose. I mean, I’ve seen no evidence that this is really the case but that’s what we are led to believe.
I did previously think a third space would be the answer, but most of them say they don’t want it and I think it would just inevitably end up as rank as the men’s does if men who identify as women used it - in effect it would end up being a situation where there are two sets of facilities for men and one for women.
I also think it would be a bit unfair for public facilities to suffer such a great upheaval and cost for less than 1% of the population. Money could be spent on improving things like Changing Places for disabled people with carers who need hoists etc., changing toilets and facilities for parents or mums with babies who are breastfeeding, regular disabled toilets and so on - these groups together are a much larger section of the population but are seen as comparatively unimportant. The improvement of services for everyone is supposedly one of the reasons behind doing a regular census, but all we ever hear about is what trans or non binary ‘folk’ need. What about everyone else?

 

[nicalibres]

I’m getting a bit bolder these days and have liked one or two GC things on SM. I’ve always avoided doing that. But if it’s noticed by my employer and mentioned (can’t see that happening but who knows), it’s a hill in prepared to die on.

I’m slowly getting to this point as well. We had a guy join our team recently and, although he didn’t explicitly say he’s a TRA, he immediately included his pronouns in his email signature and deliberately starts conversations to trip people up if they “misgender” someone or say something that’s not perfectly aligned with his narrow views. He makes constant thinly veiled threats about reporting people to HR which he tries to pass off as jokes. He’s the only man in our team and it’s so obvious he knows he holds a degree of power over us, especially in this current climate, and he particularly targets older women. Bit by bit we’re all becoming more vocal but there’s always the underlying fear of losing your job. It’s incredibly sinister.