The Royal Family #4

[Thegreenbush96]

 

[Vanillaco]

That's because nothing's black and white, but a million shades of grey.

None of them come out of this smelling like roses, they all have tit sticking to them.

The Ssexes were thrown to the wolves for Andy and the Cambs.
The Ssexes also behaved terribly and had ideas that are incompatible with royal life, esp. Meghan. It is clear they didn't want to leave, their idea was to stay but also pursue whatever they wanted. Instead, they were given an either or option and that's it. So they were effectively cast out with the option of a return, but last summer it was clear that wasn't happening (Netflix, Spotify deals). Plus her using people, ghosting them etc. Her character never came out looking good, ever.

The Cambs were tit, too. The blind of going shopping in a car to a shop around the corner, meeting Meg on foot, chatting and realizing you go to the same place but not offering a lift? Like, come on. That's crap behaviour from anyone. If Kate preferred to shop alone, fine, could've offered a lift and then gone their espective ways, but she shops all the frikkin time, she could've set a couple of hours aside and shopped with Meg together. She gave birth soon after, but let's not pretend like she's a "normal" mum who's at it alone with 3 sprogs, a working husband and no help. She could've offered a few hours of her precious time every once in a while to get to know Meg and be there for her s-i-l. If they realize they are to different and don't get along, fine, don't meet up anymore. But there wasn't even an attempt at getting to know the new family member and thats shyte behaviour. They lived next to each other and shared offices ffs.
The Cambs also leaked about the Ssexes. Anyone would hate that.

Why the Ssexes think their defence and stories will have the public sympathetic is beyond me. Just the story of them wanting to land from Canada or whereever and go straight to Liz for a talk (confrontation actually) is baffling. You don't spring that on your average grandparent or parent, never mind a 90 year old and never mind your boss. What the heck.

And Liz allowed anything to get her beloved Andy off the heat.

Plus the family's inability to protect their staff from bullying through an employer (Harry begging Jason to drop the "issue") is devastating to their track record as employers.

This all speaks volumes and the conclusion is they're all shyte.
But that's hardly new or news.
It's just confirmation, time and time again.


Not really. It's really bad nowadays I find, because any dicourse is stifled. Criticise something simple, which makes sense, and you're a racist. Praise when there is something to praise and the other camp accuses you of being a sugar or a "paid troll". Not to go toooo OT, but what JK Rowling wrote for instance was good, but it was taken apart and spun into something entirely else and it's "be supportive (of whatever) or be cancelled" and that's not healthy. That's not progress and the opposite of discourse, which is always important in any discussion to allow various opinions for a rounded view.

I agree with you on everything @vikka they are all dreadful people. Harry is more stupid and out of touch than awful though I think. I think he just doesn't know what real life is. He thought he was hard done by when he, like all the Royals has no idea how good they have it. H& M could have stuck around and got a nice travelling round the Commonwealth job but they were too arrogant and entitled. I do think that is Meghans fault, and she should have either not married him or given it more of a chance, but Harry never went for the type of woman who would want to be a Royal, which is why all his other girlfriends ran as fast as their legs could carry them as soon as it got serious. He should have done what his dad did. Marry some aristo dolly bird he didnt love and shagged around behind her back with women he was attracted to, but that didnt work out too well last time and has resulted in a dull, out of date institution with little modern relevance.
On the other hand, the Palace constantly play stupid games with each other just to try and outdo each other on who is the best. Whi could put up with that when you are the one being thrown to the wolves by them all the time? They are all spoilt and bored, pretending they are doing us a favour by existing.

 

[whathastheworldcometo]

I haven't heard that, if true, it's obvs tit from M.

Doesn't negate the tit behaviour from the Cambs still though, like never socializing. How cold hearted and self centered can you be? If you hear sth on the grape vine, you should still try, in the end it's just come back to bite them all in the ass.

Where was that said, that Meg had paps set up? If true, it's a real low.
Thanks for the info, Baguette!

I believe that Wills and Kate did not socialise a lot with H and M, but I also think that most of the younger Royals go their separate ways.
It seems that W and K hang out a lot with Mike and Zara - but with all the children that are similar ages.
Given that W and K had a very young family and MM most likely had completely different interests it is understandable that they did not spend a lot of time together.

Also, MM chose to not attend a few events, like the annual hunting weekend for example. Ok, she doesn't like hunting, but it was her choice.

 

[Baguette]

I haven't heard that, if true, it's obvs tit from M.

Doesn't negate the tit behaviour from the Cambs still though, like never socializing. How cold hearted and self centered can you be? If you hear sth on the grape vine, you should still try, in the end it's just come back to bite them all in the ass.

Where was that said, that Meg had paps set up? If true, it's a real low.
Thanks for the info, Baguette!

Never socialising?

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge took Meghan out for drinks, and even hosted Prince Harry and Meghan at their Norfolk country home, Anmer Hall, over Christmas in 2017, which was a “rare honor,” royal expert Katie Nicholl told ET Online.

Seems to me that the Cambridges had the measure of Megz and her antics very early on. Personally, I wouldn't go near someone who was taking secret photographs of my kids, leaking stories to the gossip magazines, behaving aggressively towards my staff and stabbing me in the back.

 

[FrostyChops]

I found the contributions this morning on GMTV helpful for once.

Also it seems DofE has a pre existing heart condition.

 

[Eirawen]

I always assumed the bullying allegations were false. But clearly not, the times is not the kind of paper to run sensationalist stories like the sun or mail. And it seems reading the full article they have their 'receipts' all in order.
This looks terrible for Meghan, Harry and Buckingham palace. It seems the palace did all they could to protect Meghan when they should have been protecting their staff from her.
There is only so long you can brush things under the carpet before things start to spill out.

If you work on that kind of environment surely you are sychophantic enough to accept bullying and bad treatment because you put these people on a pedestal. I knew a civil servant who was mad about the royals and was desperate to get some kind of admin job in the palace, she never even got to the interview stage for starters she was from the wrong background and not privately educated. But she would have put up with unpleasant behaviour just to be able to breathe the same air as Royalty.

 

[Vanillaco]

If you work on that kind of environment surely you are sychophantic enough to accept bullying and bad treatment because you put these people on a pedestal. I knew a civil servant who was mad about the royals and was desperate to get some kind of admin job in the palace, she never even got to the interview stage for starters she was from the wrong background and not privately educated. But she would have put up with unpleasant behaviour just to be able to breathe the same air as Royalty.

Again, looking at Andrew, the way he has treated staff is absolutely appalling behaviour- deliberately dropping things to make them pick it up, ramming gates when they refused to let him in, and that is just the documented stuff. I bet they all toady around him because they'd be sacked for complaining.

 

[igiveup]

it’s a shame Tommy Lascelles isn’t around anymore, don’t think MM would have had a leg to stand on.

 

[grace28]

Controversial opinion. I like Camilla. He’s being moved for treatment so I guess we won’t know much more now until he’s out or the worst happens. Still do wonder about treating him at 99 though but I suppose we have no idea what is actually wrong.

I agree with the poster earlier who said this is an absolute tit show, every day after every day it’s something else. It’s not even a case the Sussex’s just want to legal fees paid they want a public flogging of the media. It won’t end well for them.

 

[whathastheworldcometo]

If you work on that kind of environment surely you are sychophantic enough to accept bullying and bad treatment because you put these people on a pedestal. I knew a civil servant who was mad about the royals and was desperate to get some kind of admin job in the palace, she never even got to the interview stage for starters she was from the wrong background and not privately educated. But she would have put up with unpleasant behaviour just to be able to breathe the same air as Royalty.

Same is true for prestigious companies, like Goldman Sachs or Chanel

 

[annapolly]

Not a good look for the palace, now it seems that they don't investigate bullying properly...

I agree - at the moment it looks like the Palace are trying to smear Meghan and that they don’t take workplace bullying seriously due to the status of the people involved.

Does anyone know any good books on the Iranian or other middle easter Royals?

Sorry missed the book recommendations! I haven’t read it personally but I’ve seen people enjoy The Shah by Abbas Milani which is quite recent (form 2011) and is an autobiography about the final Shah (Soryana’s husband) of Iran. There is also Fall of Heaven: The Pahlavis and the Final Days of Imperial Iran by Andrew Scott Cooper. Princess by Jean Sasson is on my to read list - it’s told anonymously to Sasson and it’s about the life of a Saudi Princess and talks about ‘forced marriages, sex slavery, honour killings and other outrages against women, both royal and common’. If the Saudi’s interest you there is ‘Inside the Kingdom’ by Robert Lacey.

 

[BigMavis]

Piers spoke about them on this morning, its on YouTube if anyone missed it and wants to see. He makes some good points, Holly asked him if his relationship hadn't broken down with Meghan would he approach things differently. Off topic but I didn't know he received threats online recently.

I think we are in for an interesting few days, all this mud slinging doesn't reflect well on any of them.
It's brilliant in my opinion.

 

[MrsPiggleWiggle]

I'm not quite sure why anyone thinks Meghan owes it to the royals to give up her life for them. I'm not that keen on her but I can see why they left, life as a second string royal must be boring and they got a lot of hassle. I think a lot of the ultra royalists problems are that if senior members can up and leave then they can't be that special, the royal family hinges on the idea they're some how special and different from the rest of us. As soon as they're not, what is the point?

She had a choice to marry into the family. You don't get to keep your life as it was before and use taxpayers cash to fund it.

If she didn't want her life to change, she should have decided it wasn't worth it. Many others have made that decision at a much younger age.

 

[annapolly]

Same! Meg's is my favourite along with Eug's.
Bea's is the sweetest sentiment-wise and she looked great in it. Videos would've made it look even better (the sparkles!).

Ultimate princess bride for me is Madeleine of Sweden though. Princess-perfection. The only thing that wasn't great was that she'd lost loads of weight prior to the wedding due to stress (like most brides) and then it ended up being too big, it was altered already and couldn't be taken in any further, so the shoulder sleeves kept slipping.

Victoria's was at first underwhelming, but I've grown to like it and I think it'll probably age well as a type of timeless simple elegance.

Lace has been very overdone over the past decade, esp. considering all the lace day dresses as well.

Maxima's wedding dress was also great.

I think Maxima’s wedding dress suited her really well!
With lace, I think I like it up to the neck, kinda like a Victorian inspired way. I think one of the best lace dresses in this case was Alessandra de Osma who married Prince of Hanover as well as Princess Marie-Chante. I like the simplicity of Princess Mette-Marit’s wedding dress but I hated the flowers, looks like she pulled them from the shower plug!
With Meghan’s dress, because she is so small I felt that she looked swamped in it. I wish it was a bit more fitted, especially at the waist

 

[SmeatonsStar]

I like the simplicity of Princess Mette-Marit’s wedding dress but I hated the flowers, looks like she pulled them from the shower plug!

Brilliant - I remember being bemused by those flowers when I saw them thinking WTH but this is the perfect description!

 

[NOID-phal]

I agree - at the moment it looks like the Palace are trying to smear Meghan and that they don’t take workplace bullying seriously due to the status of the people involved.


Sorry missed the book recommendations! I haven’t read it personally but I’ve seen people enjoy The Shah by Abbas Milani which is quite recent (form 2011) and is an autobiography about the final Shah (Soryana’s husband) of Iran. There is also Fall of Heaven: The Pahlavis and the Final Days of Imperial Iran by Andrew Scott Cooper. Princess by Jean Sasson is on my to read list - it’s told anonymously to Sasson and it’s about the life of a Saudi Princess and talks about ‘forced marriages, sex slavery, honour killings and other outrages against women, both royal and common’. If the Saudi’s interest you there is ‘Inside the Kingdom’ by Robert Lacey.

Blood and sand by the BBC reporter Frank Gardner is good on the middle East.

 

[Black Coffee]

Just been watching BBC Scotland coverage of the Salmond inquiry. The screen went black and cut out for a moment and came back on showing some old archived black and white footage of Prince Philip.

I thought they were about to break with the traditional announcement times and announce it there and then! Was anyone else watching?

Most likely just finalising an obituary in case but makes you wonder! The intern who interrupted the channel with it will be in hot water

 

[Dinnerbag]

Does anyone not think that Harry is gonna be stuck with Meghan forever?? Look at the duke of Windsor, he got the girl, they got married, he walked away from his family, couldn’t return due to popularity over his brother.....as well as plans to put him on the thrown if the Germans won the war......but apparently after about 10 years he realised what a mistake he had made and was miserable, but couldn’t face having to listen to them all saying I told you so......so stuck it out, out of pure pride......

rumours are that Charles doesn’t get along with camilla either, and he regrets that marriage too

 

[Yel]

Just been watching BBC Scotland coverage of the Salmond inquiry. The screen went black and cut out for a moment and came back on showing some old archived black and white footage of Prince Philip.

I thought they were about to break with the traditional announcement times and announce it there and then! Was anyone else watching?

Most likely just finalising an obituary in case but makes you wonder! The intern who interrupted the channel with it will be in hot water

That's such bbc scotland scotland thing to do - start playing the obit of a royal family member who's near the end during their biggest political event in many years

 

[Gym&Tonic]

Just been watching BBC Scotland coverage of the Salmond inquiry. The screen went black and cut out for a moment and came back on showing some old archived black and white footage of Prince Philip.

I thought they were about to break with the traditional announcement times and announce it there and then! Was anyone else watching?

Most likely just finalising an obituary in case but makes you wonder! The intern who interrupted the channel with it will be in hot water

OMG. Wow. Looks like they are rehearsing for the announcement of his death, but still that a pretty big cockup!