COVID-19 vaccine #7 and general vaccine conversation

[judgejohndeed]

Even as someone who is double jabbed and pro vaccine in general I find people who are pro vaccine mandate or people losing their jobs over it intensely weird. NHS staff are people with bodily autonomy too, how can patients trust that their right to autonomy and dignity will be respected in the NHS if we show them how willing we are to strip the same rights from those treating them? I also think it is wildly unprofessional for medical professionals to be moaning about unvaccinated people in ICU etc. It's a personal choice not to have a jab and should be handled in exactly the same way as obesity related diseases, prolific smokers who get lung cancer, people who have accidents during dangerous sports - by the provision of appropriate medical treatment free from judgement. Surely even for other pro vaccine people there has to be a line and vaccine mandates/people losing their job for non-compliance crosses it?

 

[MensaBarbie1985]

I just wanted to apologise for my previous behaviour on this thread and clarify a couple of points... hear me out

My upset and frustration is not aimed at people who are choosing not have the vaccines - it's towards the sheer incompetence and mismanagement we have seen from day 1, the constant adding and removing of restrictions and changing of goal posts, and the impact this is having on the world as a whole. I do get angry and frustrated at the sheer misinformation being spread around the vaccines but that's probably to do with the academic and work background that I have. A couple of my best friends haven't had the vaccine and don't plan to do so - I don't try and change their minds - we just don't talk about it around the dinner table

I never anticipated that Covid would have as much impact on my mental health as it has. I have suffered from mental ill health since the age of 5 and have Complex PTSD and ASD (diagnosed at age 34, previously misdiagnosed for many years with Borderline Personality Disorder). I feel like a lot of my life has been wasted due to the issues and problems I've had - however just before Covid I was finally able to access the therapy that I needed and complete a course of intensive treatment. After this I honestly felt amazing and was able to cope for the first time in my life - I literally felt like life was about to begin! Then lockdown hit and everything I would use to cope - gym, going out to work, socialising with friends - was suddenly cut short. It wasn't so bad to start with as I was in a relationship at the time but that has now also ended in a very acrimonious way. Plus I have had the added complications of an operation, Covid and now long Covid in the past few months alone. Unfortunately with the way my mental health has been anyway in those darkest moments I don't see the point of a life without living. I know I am lucky with the things I have and am able to do when I can but for example a luxury holiday doesn't make even a tiny bit of a difference to those dark days and I'd give everything up in a heartbeat to have that safe and loving home and family environment that I've always wanted

I really don't want anyone on here to feel like I've attached them and will honestly try and be more respectful of others going forward

 

[Purrrrrrr]

“This work was strictly voluntary, but any animal who absented himself from it would have his rations reduced by half….
“No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?”
~ George Orwell, Animal Farm

 

[Brigitjonesbuttcheek]

I'm getting really fed up of the constant bullying of the unvaccinated. Constant TV and radio debates about why we're unvaxxed and how can we get them to change our minds and what's wrong with us. We must be stupid or get information from Facebook.

I'm not vaxxed because I don't want it. I don't take any medication that I don't need. I'm also still breastfeeding my son. I shouldn't have to be subjected to people calling me stupid on a daily basis because I've made a decision not to take a medication.

I've also definitely had covid now. I suspected I had it right at the beginning of the pandemic but recently got a positive test after having some symptoms. So there is absolutely no point of me taking a vax when I know my body can and has fought off covid.,

 

[Poddular]

Please ignore my rant but I am sick to the back teeth of morons constantly taking tests or testing their family. I've never taken a test, I have never met anyone who has, I know when I am ill and would do what I have always done and stay in bed away from people. Unless you are made to by your employer I just don't get it. I don't need a dodgy unreliable test that is probably lining someones fat pocket to tell me how I feel.

 

[Notgonnalie]

Moving on.

I bumped into an old work friend at M&S today. I haven’t seen her since pre-covid times. The good old vaccine convo came up. She’s triple jabbed. Her daughter is about 22 I think now and she’s double jabbed and she took a bad reaction to the second jab that ended her up in hospital. Her daughter has pre-existing heart condition that runs in their family. The mum has said 4 people in her work all had heart attacks after their second jab too. But here’s the mind blowing bit.

She said she would much rather have the jab and have a heart attack than get covid because god knows what could happen if she got covid

 

[Kittylover2019]

I truly don't understand why people are willing to jeopardise their careers over something so small as a vaccine.

I hate to say it, but I honestly think some of it's about stubborness. I think it's often a case of digging heels in and wanting to save face because they'd see it as having 'lost' if they take it now.

That said, I suppose maybe some aren't that committed to a particular career and were maybe considering changing anyway so this kind of helps them on their way.

Are you familiar with 'freedom of choice?'

If you were then you would know that this goes against everything it stands for, it's not about losing OR winning is it?

 

[Poddular]

Not sure why I'm wasting my time as all you lovely posters who are concerned about peoples freedom of choice already get it but I have a few points.
Most of the people who "trust the science", talk about sides and think anyone not rolling up their sleeves must get their reasons from social media are the first people to answer anyone's testing/quarantine/vaccine queries with their words of wisdom without realising the irony.
Talking of irony broadcaster Danny Kelly has never seemingly cared about his own health before, nevermind mine or that of sportsmen and women. He's morbidly obese , talks about staying up all night and his love of a tipple. And yet suddenly every single radio show he does on talksport radio he gives a lecture on "antivaccer" sportsmen, the need to protect their teammates, themselves and more vaccine propaganda.
Ditto the high street, jam-packed with obese people stuffing junk down seemingly all day or drinking to excess not giving a fig about looking after their health. Most people I work with get pills if their cat died or if their partner leaves them.
My point being healthy people should not be taking unnecessary medicines imo. Most prescription drugs have bad side effects, some contribute to severe health conditions and even death and one must always way up whether the good outweighs the bad.
I prefer to eat proper food, exercise, fresh air and do everything to boost my immune system. The fact that this is how I live should be enough reason for anyone to accept why I don't want a vaccine.
While we are happy and nonjudgmental for our relatives, friends and colleagues to have any jab they want- my siblings and I, all in our 50s all decided independently that we didn't want the jabs ( 2 of us had very bad covid early on) ditto my husband. None of us are on twitter,Facebook,insta etc and none of us think it's 5g conspiracy or whatever else people like to tar us with.
Believe it or not there are people who don't rely on scientists or pharmacists unless absolutely necessary. We look after our health, we don't drink,we don't do drugs,we don't eat takeaways,we don't live sedentary lifestyles while criticising people who aren't " doing their bit to save lives".
We were brought up without a television and I still can't believe how in a country of nearly 70 million people UK and a world of billions how everyone seems to have the same few thoughts, likes and trends. Unfortunately these last few years have proven the power of propaganda to me. Have the vaccine, don't have the vaccine but for christsake get outraged about mandatory jabs.

 

[DissectingTheBS]

Never been on this thread before but profoundly depressed that over 20% of people on this site are in favour of domestic Medical Passes to function in day to day life.

Fascism is the joining of state and corporate interests.

 

[jackolantern]

Just shows you how well the narrative works. Key example above, if we are locked down - it’s because of the selfish unvaxxed! You are putty in the governments hands,

No YOU are selfish for expecting people to have mandated medical intervention. It isn’t us who took your freedoms away, yet you are happy to take ours. Think about that for a moment will you.

 

[jackolantern]

If we didn’t test symptomless people, compliance would hit the floor because there’d be very little to scare people with. Most of those thousands or even hundreds of thousands of cases in the news are made up of people who are A-OK. That’s why they do it and that’s why it does matter if people keep mindlessly testing, it is just prolonging this whole shit show.

 

[jackolantern]

If the fact that McDonalds was open during lockdowns isn't enough to show you this pandemic isn't as serious as they make it out to be, NOTHING ever will.

If people were dropping like flies the last thing you'd be thinking about is a Big Mac.

 

[Freedomofspeech89]

Never been on this thread before but profoundly depressed that over 20% of people on this site are in favour of domestic Medical Passes to function in day to day life.

Fascism is the joining of state and corporate interests.

I never used to understand how hitler became so successful in his ideology. I do now.

 

[StrawberryCream]

If they make vaccines mandatory they will make a lot of other things mandatory, you’re setting a precedent for governments to control more and more aspects of your life and freedom of choice is taken away from you. Before you know it you’re living in totalitarianism

 

[judgejohndeed]

Again I am double jabbed and pro vax but I was thinking earlier how weird it is that so many people are pro vaccine passport. Having to keep showing your name and status everywhere you go - but when the gov suggested mandatory ID cards just for voting, there was outrage. Vaccine passports and even having the app you have to keep showing is the same thing really isn’t it? But people seem to find it much more palatable an idea

 

[Mbouzer]

I honestly just want to know what the hell is in the vaccine that makes it so important that it gets injected into every human beings arm on this Earth. The more this unfolds the less it makes sense. Its so frustrating I feel like literally tearing my hair out seeing people willingly accept and go along with this shit and thinking its normal.

I will never ever comply.

 

[Libbie]

So hypothetically, would you get the vaccine if there was no "coercion and blackmail" ?

Still a firm no from me. I’ve seen what the ‘vaccine’s’ done to my dad, previously a fit and healthy man, now resigned to a lifetime of heart medication and surgical procedures.
I feel that it’s a completely unnecessary risk, I refuse to take part in a clinical trial where the manufacturers have absolved themselves of all liability.

 

[Momin_mama]

I’ve seen first hand the consequences of the covid vaccines side effects. After hearing all the anecdotes of “I was fine” “ bit of a sore arm” etc etc from health professionals it makes me sick that I trusted them.
I don’t care how supposedly rare the side effects are, after watching my loved one suffer so badly because of the choice I made for them I will not put them through that again.

 

[jackolantern]

And I will kill myself if we lockdown. And that’s not being dramatic

So millions of people should lose body autonomy and be forcibly vaccinated so you don’t threaten to kill yourself? Listen to yourself. I have genuinely, and I truly mean this, never heard anything more selfish in my entire existence. There are few words choice enough to respond to what you’ve just said.

Im actually astounded and that takes a lot at this point.

I can promise you I as the filthy unwashed, am behaving far more responsibly than you lording it up in Dubai.

 

[Brigitjonesbuttcheek]

This thread has gone a bit nuts tonight.

If we lockdown it will be because of the gov not the unvaccinated. Your projecting your blame and hate on the wrong people and that is exactly what the government wants you to do.

Threatening to kill yourself if things don't go your way is a very unhealthy behaviour, often used to guilt or manipulate. Anyone doing that should seek counselling.

I don't actually think we will lockdown. I think this Omicron varient has been put forward to try and encourage more worldwide lockdowns. But I don't think we'll do it in England. I think Boris has decided on a different track and he won't let Omicron stop him.