They’ve agreed our new measures now all they need is someone to enforce them.
My 20 year old daughter has just completed a health care apprenticeship with the NHS, she has worked for the last 12 months for £4 an hour (half of what she could earn working at McDonald's).A friend of mine works for the NHS and says 8 so far on her ward/department have handed in their notice at the hospital because of this forced vaccination coming into play.
It says it all really when everyone talking about the random deaths and side effects are censored online and in the press and them actual healthcare workers are quitting their careers after seeing what happens to people after getting jabbed.
My other friend got the vaccine and was in tears while doing so because she is a single mum and no way to pay bills otherwise without her job that has mandated the vax (also works for the NHS) she'd never get any other role that paid her the same.
Sad times are ahead of us I'm afraid.
Sorry to read your daughter has been through all that and now facing being let go, will she be looking at a new career option now? The way the NHS staff are being treated it makes me wonder how many people will choose this as a career path now? If I was just leaving school and looking to study nursing or medicine I would definitely not go ahead with it, I would choose a different career. What if there’s a new pandemic in 5/10 years time and they are all forced to take another trial vaccine to keep their job?My 20 year old daughter has just completed a health care apprenticeship with the NHS, she has worked for the last 12 months for £4 an hour (half of what she could earn working at McDonald's).
Yesterday she was told if she doesn't have her first vaccine by early February then she will be sacked, this is to allow enough time between the booster which would take you to fully vaccinated status in April. There are many people who she knows there that aren't having the vaccine including admin staff. Some areas of the NHS will be on it's absolute knees by spring unfortunately.
They are chronically understaffed already so I'm not sure how they will fill the roles when they can't get staffing levels right now!
She and us a family are absolutely pi$$ed off that she has given her all for the last year working 12 hour shifts to be let go in these circumstances. Just yesterday she was abused by a patient, cornered with a walking frame called a hag a c$nt and prodded. It's not an easy job but off she trots everyday never moaning about going to work.
From day one she has done bed baths, changed sheets when patients have lost control of themselves, washed patients when they have passed away, shown them dignity when they have needed help and now basically she has been told to duck off. I'm sorry for the swearing but good luck in finding replacement staff
We have told her to get in as many shifts as possible over the next few weeks to bank a bit of money before she gets her P45
Thanks, it's so frustrating. Yes she will be looking at other options, her younger sister will be going to college September 22 to do beauty therapy/hairdressing and I think they may enrol together. Fortunately she still lives at home as we were supporting her while she did her training so we will continue to do that. I do feel guilty as we encouraged her to take the apprenticeship, we knew it was a long game but we thought would be worth it in the endSorry to read your daughter has been through all that and now facing being let go, will she be looking at a new career option now? The way the NHS staff are being treated it makes me wonder how many people will choose this as a career path now? If I was just leaving school and looking to study nursing or medicine I would definitely not go ahead with it, I would choose a different career. What if there’s a new pandemic in 5/10 years time and they are all forced to take another trial vaccine to keep their job?
It is a shame, they don't mind her hanging around during the winter months though hey?!Of course it will be 'great unwashed' unvaccinated people getting the blame for the staffing shortages in the NHS rather then because what they are doing is inherently wrong. It's disgusting and good on your daughter for standing up for herself but what a shame she can't do the career she wanted to do. I can't help but think this is another way for the government to try and privatize the NHS.
There is, that’s why they are giving them 3 months when it will be nearing spring, but will happily have unvaccinated work through winter. Doesn’t make senseIt is a shame, they don't mind her hanging around during the winter months though hey?!
We are so glad she didn't go straight into university. For what it's worth the staff - on her ward anyway, do not agree with it at all. I believe there is an agenda in all this.
Are you familiar with 'freedom of choice?'I truly don't understand why people are willing to jeopardise their careers over something so small as a vaccine.
I hate to say it, but I honestly think some of it's about stubborness. I think it's often a case of digging heels in and wanting to save face because they'd see it as having 'lost' if they take it now.
That said, I suppose maybe some aren't that committed to a particular career and were maybe considering changing anyway so this kind of helps them on their way.
This vaccine is still in the trial period and will be until 2023. The manufacturer's hold absolutely no liability if anything happens to you. There in NO long term data to prove its safety and the short term data isn't good to say the least.I truly don't understand why people are willing to jeopardise their careers over something so small as a vaccine.
I hate to say it, but I honestly think some of it's about stubborness. I think it's often a case of digging heels in and wanting to save face because they'd see it as having 'lost' if they take it now.
That said, I suppose maybe some aren't that committed to a particular career and were maybe considering changing anyway so this kind of helps them on their way.
I'm familiar with the concept obviously. But I can't understand the mindset of someone who really wants a career (especially in healthcare) thinking the vaccine is a bad thing and refusing to take it.Are you familiar with 'freedom of choice?'
If you were then you would know that this goes against everything it stands for, it's not about losing OR winning is it?
Maybe if you've had covid and made a full recovery then why would you need a vaccine against it? And please don't say for others because when it comes down to it other people don't give two hoots about anyone else.I'm familiar with the concept obviously. But I can't understand the mindset of someone who really wants a career (especially in healthcare) thinking the vaccine is a bad thing and refusing to take it.
I could only understand it if vaccines were brand new and didn't exist before Covid. Then there'd understandably be a bit of trepidation about them. But this is just the latest in a long line of vaccines and most people have had at least one in their lives before.
I've had jabs for the flu, measles, mumps, rubella, polio, tetanus, etc etc etc. This is just another.
I haven't wanted to go to any country and required a vaccine for entry (e.g. yellow fever) but I would if I wanted to travel to said country.
I think I'll just have to resign myself to the fact that I'll never get the opposing stance.
You don’t have to get the opposing stance. It’s not really about for or against the vaccine. It’s about bodily autonomy, freedom to choose and the fact that coercion and blackmail is never the right way to obtain free and valid consent. Being ordered to get vaccinated or lose your job is not a free choice, it’s blackmail.I'm familiar with the concept obviously. But I can't understand the mindset of someone who really wants a career (especially in healthcare) thinking the vaccine is a bad thing and refusing to take it.
I could only understand it if vaccines were brand new and didn't exist before Covid. Then there'd understandably be a bit of trepidation about them. But this is just the latest in a long line of vaccines and most people have had at least one in their lives before.
I've had jabs for the flu, measles, mumps, rubella, polio, tetanus, etc etc etc. This is just another.
I haven't wanted to go to any country and required a vaccine for entry (e.g. yellow fever) but I would if I wanted to travel to said country.
I think I'll just have to resign myself to the fact that I'll never get the opposing stance.
Exactly thisYou don’t have to get the opposing stance. It’s not really about for or against the vaccine. It’s about bodily autonomy, freedom to choose and the fact that coercion and blackmail is never the right way to obtain free and valid consent. Being ordered to get vaccinated or lose your job is not a free choice, it’s blackmail.
I wouldn't if I was in that scenario because I don't need it. I'm not in that scenario and I still don't need it.So hypothetically, would you get the vaccine if there was no "coercion and blackmail" ?
I would probably be less suspicious of it but ultimately no I would not. That is my informed choice based on my personal circumstances.So hypothetically, would you get the vaccine if there was no "coercion and blackmail" ?