Not sure if anyone mentioned this Q. But… why even bother answering??
Also the very last 2 minutes when they are talking about something like they didn't expect this bla bla. She looks like she is ready to cry. Was she thinking about the break up and how unexpected it was?I’m watching the live and I’m at the bit where they start talking about the engagement and my word it’s uncomfortable
I can’t upload the screen recording I took but surely when your partner is talking about proposing to you you’d look happier than this?
My list was never intended to paint Joel as the villain opposite Carrie as the innocent. She is just as complicit in this whole shindig as he is; as she’s allowing him to do this. In the beginning when his red flags started showing, I thought she was just blinded by the attention which she had missed when she was with Ollie, but by now I hold no sympathy for her. She’s enabling and participating in this - in my opinion - absolutely ludicrous behavior, so good riddance to her.I appreciate the effort and I personally think he is vile because of the SA and generally as a person. But let's stop painting him as a monster when Carrie is concerned. She is a manipulative bitch, a bully that treats her partners like shit and expects them to keep bending over backwards to please her as if she's the best thing that ever happened to them. She slid into his DMs (they might have changed story but that was how it started) because she knew he was a sure thing. He's clearly into her (he's not that good of an actor) and she is not but is using him because she known he's most likely an incel that has never touched a woman before her.
Yeah he's shit and he deserves to be alone but she's not a poor victim being manipulated by a mastermind like some people try to imply. She's a bitch, nothing more and nothing less and if you ask me she should also be alone. She's not deserving to have someone around her because she just mistreats men. She should do a lot of work on herself in order to become worthy to have a partner. I've always thought first you have to be happy, satisfied with your life and at peace in order to have a healthy and happy relationship. Not push all your frustration on someone else and be a user (sound familiar, Carrie??).
Gonna close with a quote from a Russian writer because Carrie needs to hear this. She's a spoiled brat stuck at the worst age possible (teenage years) because she can't get over herself.
An arrogant person considers himself perfect. This is the chief harm of arrogance. It interferes with a person's main task in life - becoming a better person.
Joel - 'I love you, means you're never ever ever getting rid of meMy list was never intended to paint Joel as the villain opposite Carrie as the innocent. She is just as complicit in this whole shindig as he is; as she’s allowing him to do this. In the beginning when his red flags started showing, I thought she was just blinded by the attention which she had missed when she was with Ollie, but by now I hold no sympathy for her. She’s enabling and participating in this - in my opinion - absolutely ludicrous behavior, so good riddance to her.
I just think Joel’s behavior is such a caricature of a person, that it’s equally entertaining and frightening at the same time. Like he’s the embodiment of the lyric he sang in Waitress:
‘I love you, means you’re never ever, ever, ever getting rid of me’
I find this very convenient to be honest.I'm not against engagement rings at all because they're a lovely reminder of the engagement. They might have stood for ownership back in the days, but now it's a thing most people are really excited about and it has gained a new meaning.
The day is not complete without her taking out her frustration on someone else and being rude.
Bruh we're not here to tear each other apart or am I wrong. A engagement ring is a pretty ring at the end of the day. The whole asking for the parents' blessing thing is... like I just don't see the nice thing about that because why don't just both partners go and talk to the parents. I just don't see how this thing has gained a new meaning because it still excludes one half of the couple from a very important conversation. I really do see a difference between the two.I find this very convenient to be honest.
I don't see much difference in your feminism and Carrie's, picking only feminist concepts that are convenient to you.
If someone claims that talking to the parents is outdated and sees the woman as someone to be owned by men and is so outraged by this, an engagement ring should also be seen in the same way. As should be the father walking the bride into the church and handing her over to the husband.
Either they're all now sentimental gestures with a nice meaning behind them or they're associated with the concept of ownership of the woman.
It’s honestly not for you to determine someone’s feminism. As someone upthread said, feminism means allowing women to choose what they want to do and what they believe in. You can’t police feminism and it doesn’t have an arbitrary list of dos and donts.I find this very convenient to be honest.
I don't see much difference in your feminism and Carrie's, picking only feminist concepts that are convenient to you.
If someone claims that talking to the parents is outdated and sees the woman as someone to be owned by men and is so outraged by this, an engagement ring should also be seen in the same way. As should be the father walking the bride into the church and handing her over to the husband.
Either they're all now sentimental gestures with a nice meaning behind them or they're associated with the concept of ownership of the woman.
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I don’t think Hurrem was picking apart any ones feminism, rather just responding to the fact that the argument wasn’t all that consistent.It’s honestly not for you to determine someone’s feminism. As someone upthread said, feminism means allowing women to choose what they want to do and what they believe in. You can’t police feminism and it doesn’t have an arbitrary list of dos and donts.
And you can't just love it like any other grown arse people do day in day out. You have to be oh so quirky.View attachment 1751174
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Of course it is. It literally is personal choice. I get so fed up of people being “you’re a bad feminist if you don’t do xyz” Anyway, not saying any more on this. I’ve made my point.I don’t think Hurrem was picking apart any ones feminism, rather just responding to the fact that the argument wasn’t all that consistent.
The posters who don’t like the tradition of talking to the parents beforehand initiated the conversation picking apart feminism. I totally believe it’s about choice, but if you’re going to pick someone else’s choices apart (in this case, Carrie’s), you should probably be consistent with your own feminist stances. It just doesn’t make sense to slag someone off for following one tradition while on the other hand rationalising a tradition you like as being ‘ok’.
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