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William is appalled by Harry and Meghan’s soap opera, but Kate is playing the long game
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...rry-earthshot-prize-netflix-trailer-fvsb62qw9

I've copied the article below as it is behind a paywall. It's a heavily pro-William and Kate article but the very bit bolded at the end seems quite salient and hard to disagree with.

Roya Nikkhah, Royal Editor, Boston
Saturday December 03 2022, 6.00pm GMT, The Sunday Times

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The Prince and Princess of Wales were joined by David Beckham for the Earthshot Prize awards in Boston
SAMIR HUSSEIN/WIREIMAGE

It was as if the script had been written for the next series of The Crown. Hours into the first day of their US visit, a beaming Prince and Princess of Wales sat courtside, dutifully glued to Boston’s home team, the Celtics, in winning form. Under the glare of bright lights and all eyes in the 20,000-capacity stadium, their appearance on the big screens was accompanied by a blaring Queen and David Bowie anthem capturing the royal mood music: “Pressure, pushing down on me, pushing down on you.”

Pressure indeed. This trip, after all, was to be the royal rebrand to turn a new page in the House of Windsor’s saga of family rifts and accusations of racism following the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s departure from royal life and move to America. It was meant to be the healing salve for the monarchy’s damaged image Stateside, patching up the scrapes from William and Kate’s tour of the Caribbean this year, which was beset by accusations of racial insensitivity.

The first royal visit to the city of Boston since Queen Elizabeth came in 1976 was to be William’s “Super Bowl moment” of statesmanship through the Earthshot Prize, his legacy project spreading the “urgent optimism” of solutions to global environmental problems. But no sooner had it started than William and Kate’s immaculately planned itinerary on the east coast was sabotaged by hand grenades from the west coast, with a trailer of Harry and Meghan’s forthcoming Netflix documentary.

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Giving the crowd a wave on the big screen at a Boston Celtics basketball match

It came hot on the heels of a toxic race row back home courtesy of William’s godmother, Lady Susan Hussey, a former lady-in-waiting to Queen Elizabeth. Her “interrogation” over the origins of Ngozi Fulani, a black domestic violence campaigner, at a Buckingham Palace reception on Tuesday left Fulani feeling “violated” and Lady Susan, 83, was swiftly axed from palace circles after more than six decades of loyal service to the Crown.

Before boarding the plane to Boston on Wednesday morning, William had been locked in calls with his communications secretary to authorise a statement addressing the controversy. “Racism has no place in our society,” the media was told in Boston. His words went further than Buckingham Palace’s description of Lady Susan’s “unacceptable and deeply regrettable” remarks and her “profound apologies for the hurt caused”.

Once again, the monarchy finds itself in all too familiar, uncomfortable territory. A Boston Globe columnist wrote as William and Kate arrived in the city that “the old, tone deaf past had roared back with a vengeance” to undermine the couple. Try as it might, the monarchy can’t seem to draw a line under the issue. It does not help that this Tuesday, the Sussexes will receive the Robert F Kennedy Ripple of Hope award at a gala in New York. Kennedy’s daughter, Kerry, says Harry and Meghan will be honoured for their “moral courage” in taking a “heroic stance” against “structural racism” within the royal family.

Might Lady Susan’s demise have been viewed in Harry and Meghan’s Montecito enclave as a valuable vindication of their claims of discrimination within the institution? There is no word yet on what they think of the departure of one of the monarchy’s most loyal servants. But as recently as this summer, Lady Susan was present for an important moment in the Sussexes’ family life. At the request of the late Queen, she remained in the room when Harry and Meghan presented their daughter Lilibet for the first time in June. Their request for a photographer to capture the moment was denied, a notable omission from the Netflix montage.

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The royal couple arrived in the city facing the twin distractions of a race row back home and the arrival of a trailer for Harry and Meghan’s Netflix series DOUG PETERS/EMPICS/ALAMY

The Harry & Meghan documentary trailer’s arrival on the second day of the Waleses’ visit signals an ominous new phase in a royal rift that aides no longer attempt to play down. From the minute’s worth of slickly edited black and white photos and clips of the couple, it is clear that the gloves are off again. Over images of a tearful Meghan and stony-faced Kate, Harry says: “No one sees what’s happening behind closed doors. I had to do everything I could to protect my family.” Meghan also makes it clear in she has a lot more to say, with the trailer’s last word: “When the stakes are this high, doesn’t it make more sense to hear our story from us?” As a royal source puts it: “The timing! That last line! So Hollywood.”

The Netflix bombshell followed a flurry of other activity from Harry and Meghan clashing with the Waleses’ trip. On Wednesday, a video released by the Invictus Games featured the Sussexes playing table tennis to promote tickets for next year’s games in Dusseldorf, while images were released of Meghan taking part in a discussion about female empowerment the previous evening. Entirely coincidental? One royal source who knows the couple thinks not: “The timing is ugly, malicious and pathetic.” Another royal source adds: “They really didn’t need to drop the trailer in the middle of the visit.”

But we have been here before. In October 2019, when William and Kate were on a tour of Pakistan, headline-grabbing trailers dropped of Harry and Meghan’s ITV documentary filmed on their southern Africa tour the previous month, when a tearful Meghan confessed to Tom Bradby she was struggling and Harry said he and his brother were on “different paths”.

There is no doubt the Sussexes’ documentary will further shatter an already severely fractured relationship with the royal family, most of all between William and Harry, once the closest of brothers but now on non-speaking terms. William continues to be appalled and bemused by his brother’s direction of travel, but no longer surprised. The strains were publicly visible in September during the brothers’ frosty truce after the death of the Queen. But behind the scenes, there were no such pretences. Harry and Meghan snubbed the final family gathering on the eve of the Queen’s burial, choosing not to attend a funeral briefing for the royal family at Buckingham Palace because of their frustration of having their invitation rescinded to a reception that evening for visiting heads of state and overseas guests.

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William was in Boston to present the Earthshot Prize, part of his mission to promote environmental sustainability
KIRSTY O'CONNOR/PA

Last week Kensington Palace was determined to stay on message. “We won’t be distracted by other things this week,” insisted the Waleses’ spokesman. Their closest aides said their strategy was to simply ignore them: “They’re just not engaging.”

The Wales ship stuck to its course, but as one royal source noted, perhaps a little too steadily? “I think they’re so paranoid about ensuring everything is foot-forward and moving past the last disastrous Caribbean tour, they don’t want to take any risks.”

Reflecting on the transition into their new roles as the Prince and Princess of Wales, one of their closest aides concedes it is a more “serious phase” for the couple.

Another royal source notes: “They are now edging into that middle-aged era, and what their team call their ‘box office power’ is different to what it was ten years ago. With the Sussexes, they are up against a highly motivated, highly polished machine that exists for the sole reason to be a brand first, last and always.”

On the first day of their Boston visit, responding to a question about royal protocol, the Waleses’ spokesman wryly observed: “They’re a little bit different to celebrities.” Who could he possibly have been referring to?

The point was made to reaffirm William’s known “allergy” to being viewed as a celebrity, even when he is rubbing shoulders with a host of them at his own star-studded awards ceremony, as he was on Friday night when David Beckham (fresh from Qatar), Annie Lennox and actor Rami Malek turned out in Boston to support the Earthshot Prize.

As the Boston Globe reported on Wednesday, William and Kate were greeted by “cold rain and a warm crowd” on their arrival, but they were undeterred by other royal storms brewing. In the city famous for its 18th-century revolt against British rule, the couple’s trialling of what aides describe as a “more modern approach to statesmanship”, with them “going into the heart of communities and promoting issues that are close to their hearts”, has got traction in the US.

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The princess charmed the crowds as she pursued her interest in research into children’s early years REBA SALDANHA/AP

After a visit to Roca, a non-profit organisation focusing on disadvantaged young people at risk of urban violence, William and Kate were rapturously received on an impromptu walkabout. Ashley Langan, 20, held a sign saying “Welcome to Boston Your Highness” and was thrilled when the couple stopped to admire it. “I love them as a couple and the work they do.” Another wellwisher at the same engagement told the princess how much she appreciated her work on children’s early years: “As one mother to another, we can always learn from each other.”

Kate has been plugging away on it for almost a decade and took her mission to boost research on early childhood development to Harvard University on Friday, visiting its Center on the Developing Child, which has partnered with her own Royal Foundation Centre for Early Childhood. Armed with a notepad brimming with questions and ideas, she joined a discussion with experts in the field.

She said: “There is so much amazing work going on and we need to start sharing the learning and science and what can be done better and be improved to help children in the trajectory into adult life. I’d like to be here for days. My interest in early childhood started with the biggest societal challenges, homelessness and addiction, and the importance in how you build resilience with foundations and better mental health for people early on in life. I’d love to come and study. They say it’s never too late. I’m looking forward to learning more.

Outside, Kate was swamped by royal fans hoping to catch a glimpse of a future queen. Among them was Allison Morgan, 37, who spent $1,000 on flights and a hotel to travel from Williamsburg, Virginia, to see the princess. “It was worth every cent,” she said, before delivering her views on the elephant in the room: “I do think Harry and Meghan could be more supportive. They should be supporting Catherine and William when they are in Boston.”

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President Biden rearranged his schedule for a meeting with William, in what appears to be a growing friendship SPLASH NEWS

The Boston trip was back on track by Friday when William met President Biden, sealing the deal on statesmanship over “shared warm memories of Her Majesty” as the prince thanked the president for attending her funeral. Biden moved his schedule around to spend half an hour with William for their fourth meeting in the last 18 months. The growing friendship between the president and a future king pleases the Wales camp, particularly after the White House expressed support for the Sussexes following their interview with Winfrey last year.

A few hours later, Kate joined William for the Earthshot awards ceremony at the MGM Music Hall, dazzling and sustainable in a rented green dress hired for £74 and an emerald and diamond choker that belonged to Diana, Princess of Wales. It was the most chic of two fingers up to her unflattering image in the Netflix trailer. The couple flew back home overnight on Friday, and after being reunited with Prince George, Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis on Saturday morning, they made a family jaunt to the Christmas fair fundraiser at the children’s school, Lambrook.

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Kate wore a green dress hired for £74 and an emerald and diamond choker that belonged to Diana, Princess of Wales KIRSTY O'CONNOR/PA

For the Waleses, it was mission accomplished. A spokesman said: “We came to Boston and did what we set out to do, which was to shine a light on some great work being done across communities. The prince has successfully continued to shape his role as a global leader on climate change, sitting down with the president to talk about what Earthshot is trying to achieve.

“Regardless of other distractions, the prince and princess’s commitment to duty and service is unwavering. They got out there, did the job, and enjoyed themselves.”

Back in London last week, a congregation with many of William and Harry’s oldest friends filled St Luke’s Church, Chelsea, for a carol service in aid of the Henry van Straubenzee memorial fund, the only charity of which the princes are joint patrons, established in memory of their friend who died in a car crash in 2002, aged 18.

In the rarest show of unity, William and Harry wrote a moving joint tribute to “Henners” and his family, their signatures side by side in the programme which may soon become a collectors’ item. The charity, which supports children in Uganda, is winding down, and with it the brothers’ tie of patronage. How many more joint declarations are they likely to make? At this rate, none.

Palace aides concede these are “challenging times” for the monarchy and that it has been a “bruising week”. With the Sussexes’ media machine moving into fifth gear, a courtier says: “We’re steeling ourselves for what’s coming in the slight spirit of tedium. It’s a curious-looking form of privacy they’ve sought.”

Speaking to previous Earthshot finalists last week, William said: “For all of us, the time is ticking.The Sussexes seem in a hurry to make their mark, but those close to William and Kate emphasise how they and other senior royals are focused on the long game.

When the documentary and Harry’s book, Spare, appear, the palaces will choose their moments carefully to set the record straight.

As a seasoned royal source says: “Most people will already be on one side and won’t change their minds; floating voters will probably swing towards the Sussexes. But life in the royal family is a popularity pendulum — sometimes it swings towards you, other times away from you. The smart people in it tend to operate on five to ten-year horizons, rather than make day-to-day kneejerk reactions. They know there is no value in engaging in constant counteroffensives — that doesn’t pay dividends, except to the observer watching the institution self-combust.”
 
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William is appalled by Harry and Meghan’s soap opera, but Kate is playing the long game
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...rry-earthshot-prize-netflix-trailer-fvsb62qw9

I've copied the article below as it is behind a paywall. It's a heavily pro-William and Kate article but the very bit bolded at the end seems quite salient and hard to disagree with.

Roya Nikkhah, Royal Editor, Boston
Saturday December 03 2022, 6.00pm GMT, The Sunday Times

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The Prince and Princess of Wales were joined by David Beckham for the Earthshot Prize awards in Boston
SAMIR HUSSEIN/WIREIMAGE

It was as if the script had been written for the next series of The Crown. Hours into the first day of their US visit, a beaming Prince and Princess of Wales sat courtside, dutifully glued to Boston’s home team, the Celtics, in winning form. Under the glare of bright lights and all eyes in the 20,000-capacity stadium, their appearance on the big screens was accompanied by a blaring Queen and David Bowie anthem capturing the royal mood music: “Pressure, pushing down on me, pushing down on you.”

Pressure indeed. This trip, after all, was to be the royal rebrand to turn a new page in the House of Windsor’s saga of family rifts and accusations of racism following the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s departure from royal life and move to America. It was meant to be the healing salve for the monarchy’s damaged image Stateside, patching up the scrapes from William and Kate’s tour of the Caribbean this year, which was beset by accusations of racial insensitivity.

The first royal visit to the city of Boston since Queen Elizabeth came in 1976 was to be William’s “Super Bowl moment” of statesmanship through the Earthshot Prize, his legacy project spreading the “urgent optimism” of solutions to global environmental problems. But no sooner had it started than William and Kate’s immaculately planned itinerary on the east coast was sabotaged by hand grenades from the west coast, with a trailer of Harry and Meghan’s forthcoming Netflix documentary.

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Giving the crowd a wave on the big screen at a Boston Celtics basketball match

It came hot on the heels of a toxic race row back home courtesy of William’s godmother, Lady Susan Hussey, a former lady-in-waiting to Queen Elizabeth. Her “interrogation” over the origins of Ngozi Fulani, a black domestic violence campaigner, at a Buckingham Palace reception on Tuesday left Fulani feeling “violated” and Lady Susan, 83, was swiftly axed from palace circles after more than six decades of loyal service to the Crown.

Before boarding the plane to Boston on Wednesday morning, William had been locked in calls with his communications secretary to authorise a statement addressing the controversy. “Racism has no place in our society,” the media was told in Boston. His words went further than Buckingham Palace’s description of Lady Susan’s “unacceptable and deeply regrettable” remarks and her “profound apologies for the hurt caused”.

Once again, the monarchy finds itself in all too familiar, uncomfortable territory. A Boston Globe columnist wrote as William and Kate arrived in the city that “the old, tone deaf past had roared back with a vengeance” to undermine the couple. Try as it might, the monarchy can’t seem to draw a line under the issue. It does not help that this Tuesday, the Sussexes will receive the Robert F Kennedy Ripple of Hope award at a gala in New York. Kennedy’s daughter, Kerry, says Harry and Meghan will be honoured for their “moral courage” in taking a “heroic stance” against “structural racism” within the royal family.

Might Lady Susan’s demise have been viewed in Harry and Meghan’s Montecito enclave as a valuable vindication of their claims of discrimination within the institution? There is no word yet on what they think of the departure of one of the monarchy’s most loyal servants. But as recently as this summer, Lady Susan was present for an important moment in the Sussexes’ family life. At the request of the late Queen, she remained in the room when Harry and Meghan presented their daughter Lilibet for the first time in June. Their request for a photographer to capture the moment was denied, a notable omission from the Netflix montage.

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The royal couple arrived in the city facing the twin distractions of a race row back home and the arrival of a trailer for Harry and Meghan’s Netflix series DOUG PETERS/EMPICS/ALAMY

The Harry & Meghan documentary trailer’s arrival on the second day of the Waleses’ visit signals an ominous new phase in a royal rift that aides no longer attempt to play down. From the minute’s worth of slickly edited black and white photos and clips of the couple, it is clear that the gloves are off again. Over images of a tearful Meghan and stony-faced Kate, Harry says: “No one sees what’s happening behind closed doors. I had to do everything I could to protect my family.” Meghan also makes it clear in she has a lot more to say, with the trailer’s last word: “When the stakes are this high, doesn’t it make more sense to hear our story from us?” As a royal source puts it: “The timing! That last line! So Hollywood.”

The Netflix bombshell followed a flurry of other activity from Harry and Meghan clashing with the Waleses’ trip. On Wednesday, a video released by the Invictus Games featured the Sussexes playing table tennis to promote tickets for next year’s games in Dusseldorf, while images were released of Meghan taking part in a discussion about female empowerment the previous evening. Entirely coincidental? One royal source who knows the couple thinks not: “The timing is ugly, malicious and pathetic.” Another royal source adds: “They really didn’t need to drop the trailer in the middle of the visit.”

But we have been here before. In October 2019, when William and Kate were on a tour of Pakistan, headline-grabbing trailers dropped of Harry and Meghan’s ITV documentary filmed on their southern Africa tour the previous month, when a tearful Meghan confessed to Tom Bradby she was struggling and Harry said he and his brother were on “different paths”.

There is no doubt the Sussexes’ documentary will further shatter an already severely fractured relationship with the royal family, most of all between William and Harry, once the closest of brothers but now on non-speaking terms. William continues to be appalled and bemused by his brother’s direction of travel, but no longer surprised. The strains were publicly visible in September during the brothers’ frosty truce after the death of the Queen. But behind the scenes, there were no such pretences. Harry and Meghan snubbed the final family gathering on the eve of the Queen’s burial, choosing not to attend a funeral briefing for the royal family at Buckingham Palace because of their frustration of having their invitation rescinded to a reception that evening for visiting heads of state and overseas guests.

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William was in Boston to present the Earthshot Prize, part of his mission to promote environmental sustainability
KIRSTY O'CONNOR/PA

Last week Kensington Palace was determined to stay on message. “We won’t be distracted by other things this week,” insisted the Waleses’ spokesman. Their closest aides said their strategy was to simply ignore them: “They’re just not engaging.”

The Wales ship stuck to its course, but as one royal source noted, perhaps a little too steadily? “I think they’re so paranoid about ensuring everything is foot-forward and moving past the last disastrous Caribbean tour, they don’t want to take any risks.”

Reflecting on the transition into their new roles as the Prince and Princess of Wales, one of their closest aides concedes it is a more “serious phase” for the couple.

Another royal source notes: “They are now edging into that middle-aged era, and what their team call their ‘box office power’ is different to what it was ten years ago. With the Sussexes, they are up against a highly motivated, highly polished machine that exists for the sole reason to be a brand first, last and always.”

On the first day of their Boston visit, responding to a question about royal protocol, the Waleses’ spokesman wryly observed: “They’re a little bit different to celebrities.” Who could he possibly have been referring to?

The point was made to reaffirm William’s known “allergy” to being viewed as a celebrity, even when he is rubbing shoulders with a host of them at his own star-studded awards ceremony, as he was on Friday night when David Beckham (fresh from Qatar), Annie Lennox and actor Rami Malek turned out in Boston to support the Earthshot Prize.

As the Boston Globe reported on Wednesday, William and Kate were greeted by “cold rain and a warm crowd” on their arrival, but they were undeterred by other royal storms brewing. In the city famous for its 18th-century revolt against British rule, the couple’s trialling of what aides describe as a “more modern approach to statesmanship”, with them “going into the heart of communities and promoting issues that are close to their hearts”, has got traction in the US.

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The princess charmed the crowds as she pursued her interest in research into children’s early years REBA SALDANHA/AP

After a visit to Roca, a non-profit organisation focusing on disadvantaged young people at risk of urban violence, William and Kate were rapturously received on an impromptu walkabout. Ashley Langan, 20, held a sign saying “Welcome to Boston Your Highness” and was thrilled when the couple stopped to admire it. “I love them as a couple and the work they do.” Another wellwisher at the same engagement told the princess how much she appreciated her work on children’s early years: “As one mother to another, we can always learn from each other.”

Kate has been plugging away on it for almost a decade and took her mission to boost research on early childhood development to Harvard University on Friday, visiting its Center on the Developing Child, which has partnered with her own Royal Foundation Centre for Early Childhood. Armed with a notepad brimming with questions and ideas, she joined a discussion with experts in the field.

She said: “There is so much amazing work going on and we need to start sharing the learning and science and what can be done better and be improved to help children in the trajectory into adult life. I’d like to be here for days. My interest in early childhood started with the biggest societal challenges, homelessness and addiction, and the importance in how you build resilience with foundations and better mental health for people early on in life. I’d love to come and study. They say it’s never too late. I’m looking forward to learning more.

Outside, Kate was swamped by royal fans hoping to catch a glimpse of a future queen. Among them was Allison Morgan, 37, who spent $1,000 on flights and a hotel to travel from Williamsburg, Virginia, to see the princess. “It was worth every cent,” she said, before delivering her views on the elephant in the room: “I do think Harry and Meghan could be more supportive. They should be supporting Catherine and William when they are in Boston.”

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President Biden rearranged his schedule for a meeting with William, in what appears to be a growing friendship SPLASH NEWS

The Boston trip was back on track by Friday when William met President Biden, sealing the deal on statesmanship over “shared warm memories of Her Majesty” as the prince thanked the president for attending her funeral. Biden moved his schedule around to spend half an hour with William for their fourth meeting in the last 18 months. The growing friendship between the president and a future king pleases the Wales camp, particularly after the White House expressed support for the Sussexes following their interview with Winfrey last year.

A few hours later, Kate joined William for the Earthshot awards ceremony at the MGM Music Hall, dazzling and sustainable in a rented green dress hired for £74 and an emerald and diamond choker that belonged to Diana, Princess of Wales. It was the most chic of two fingers up to her unflattering image in the Netflix trailer. The couple flew back home overnight on Friday, and after being reunited with Prince George, Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis on Saturday morning, they made a family jaunt to the Christmas fair fundraiser at the children’s school, Lambrook.

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Kate wore a green dress hired for £74 and an emerald and diamond choker that belonged to Diana, Princess of Wales KIRSTY O'CONNOR/PA

For the Waleses, it was mission accomplished. A spokesman said: “We came to Boston and did what we set out to do, which was to shine a light on some great work being done across communities. The prince has successfully continued to shape his role as a global leader on climate change, sitting down with the president to talk about what Earthshot is trying to achieve.

“Regardless of other distractions, the prince and princess’s commitment to duty and service is unwavering. They got out there, did the job, and enjoyed themselves.”

Back in London last week, a congregation with many of William and Harry’s oldest friends filled St Luke’s Church, Chelsea, for a carol service in aid of the Henry van Straubenzee memorial fund, the only charity of which the princes are joint patrons, established in memory of their friend who died in a car crash in 2002, aged 18.

In the rarest show of unity, William and Harry wrote a moving joint tribute to “Henners” and his family, their signatures side by side in the programme which may soon become a collectors’ item. The charity, which supports children in Uganda, is winding down, and with it the brothers’ tie of patronage. How many more joint declarations are they likely to make? At this rate, none.

Palace aides concede these are “challenging times” for the monarchy and that it has been a “bruising week”. With the Sussexes’ media machine moving into fifth gear, a courtier says: “We’re steeling ourselves for what’s coming in the slight spirit of tedium. It’s a curious-looking form of privacy they’ve sought.”

Speaking to previous Earthshot finalists last week, William said: “For all of us, the time is ticking.The Sussexes seem in a hurry to make their mark, but those close to William and Kate emphasise how they and other senior royals are focused on the long game.

When the documentary and Harry’s book, Spare, appear, the palaces will choose their moments carefully to set the record straight.

As a seasoned royal source says: “Most people will already be on one side and won’t change their minds; floating voters will probably swing towards the Sussexes. But life in the royal family is a popularity pendulum — sometimes it swings towards you, other times away from you. The smart people in it tend to operate on five to ten-year horizons, rather than make day-to-day kneejerk reactions. They know there is no value in engaging in constant counteroffensives — that doesn’t pay dividends, except to the observer watching the institution self-combust.”
Re the bit in bold: It’s interesting, because I think this is actually a nationality thing.

I’m a “floating voter” along with essentially everyone I work with, and we all agree: this documentary is really out of step with the current situation of most people…

It feels very jarring to be constantly hearing about two massively over-privileged people complaining about how hard done by they are when plenty of people can’t afford to heat their homes.

I think the reaction is different in America though.
 
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Re the bit in bold: It’s interesting, because I think this is actually a nationality thing.

I’m a “floating voter” along with essentially everyone I work with, and we all agree: this documentary is really out of step with the current situation of most people…

It feels very jarring to be constantly hearing about two massively over-privileged people complaining about how hard done by they are when plenty of people can’t afford to heat their homes.

I think the reaction is different in America though.
Nope. American here. Californian in fact. We see thru the pathetic grasping H&M whiny grifters, They are not invited to any A list parties - or any parties, except media stunts their PR firm cooks up. Me-Gain and Haz-been do no "good works". In fact, they seem to do no real work, beyond trying to promote and enrich themselves. The tide is turning in these colonies. (Except for the bots hired by her PR firm. Her 2nd (!) PR firm, since she couldn't pay the first one.) What is your return policy? May we send them back, please?

P.S. Kate is a gem.
 
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Re the bit in bold: It’s interesting, because I think this is actually a nationality thing.

I’m a “floating voter” along with essentially everyone I work with, and we all agree: this documentary is really out of step with the current situation of most people…

It feels very jarring to be constantly hearing about two massively over-privileged people complaining about how hard done by they are when plenty of people can’t afford to heat their homes.

I think the reaction is different in America though.
New Zealand here, and they don’t really get talked about. Readers of trashy women’s mags don’t tend to like Meghan because of the weird made up narratives that women’s magazines spout, but that’s a small audience and mostly older women who liked the Queen. Younger women tend to like Meghan more, but she doesn’t come up in conversation. I feel it’s the haters’ obsession that drives most of their press attention. I would love to see what happened if the haters just stopped talking and clicking, the fanatics would be so confused! But it’ll never happen, the obsession is too strong and too many derive an income from it.

Opinion here is mostly dismissive of the monarchy as a whole. They’re just seen as out of touch relics with no idea about real life. People think the kids are cute, they like Will and Kate fine but tend to think they don’t really do anything. I wouldn’t be surprised if we go republic in the near future.

People were generally supportive of M&H at first but I can easily see that goodwill fade quickly if they push their luck or overexpose themselves.
 
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Nope. American here. Californian in fact. We see thru the pathetic grasping H&M whiny grifters, They are not invited to any A list parties - or any parties, except media stunts their PR firm cooks up. Me-Gain and Haz-been do no "good works". In fact, they seem to do no real work, beyond trying to promote and enrich themselves. The tide is turning in these colonies. (Except for the bots hired by her PR firm. Her 2nd (!) PR firm, since she couldn't pay the first one.) What is your return policy? May we send them back, please?

P.S. Kate is a gem.
That's a nice thing to say about Kate. I just see her as being quite stable which in a world of reality TV shows is refreshing. It's quite a feat to maintain your privacy whilst being in that position!

I don't hate H&M, just find them irritating and vain at times. Really dislike people preaching!!
 
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feel it’s the haters’ obsession that drives most of their press attention. I would love to see what happened if the haters just stopped talking and clicking, the fanatics would be so confused! But it’ll never happen, the obsession is too strong and too many derive an income from it.
Absolutely this! I was listening g to a documentary called The Coming Storm on radio 4 about qanon and other conspiracy theories. The ringleaders tend to do it as a money making exercise, because they know they can whip people up into a frenzy and make a ton of money out if it. Its the same with Meghan and Harry I feel. Ignore them and they will go away, but too many people make too much money by whipping people up into a frenzy.
 
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On the Daily Mail there’s a live blog, 8 articles and one has this as a title and an introduction:
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It’s bloody ridiculous.
 
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It's well known that Harry is staggeringly thick. Borderline remedial
Yup. That explains why he’s ended up on a completely different continent from where he wanted to be. In all probability, he can’t read a map or a globe. Thick as tit with a posh accent and no more.

She started the fashion business in 2009 and two years later it closed, so she's not a designer in any meaningful way.


She's a good clothes horse but I wish she'd wear a great variety of British designers, it's always the same people, she should support smaller brands. She may be princess but she'll never have the impact of Diana and call me a cynic, I don't think she'd do as much charity work if it wasn't to get her image up to her mother in law. I don't think Diana would've liked Kate or Meg but for different reasons, I do believe she would've liked Chelsey
Good god, the LAST thing we need is another Diana. Like, ever! 🤯 Only wish KC could have married Camilla from the start to keep the bloodline stable and non-neurotic. Thankfully, the firstborn was normal but it really should have stopped there.
 
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Soooooo I have watched about 2/3 of the first episode and the only new thing I got was that they met on Insta…..
I will say though, the fact that many of the negative points H has brought up (relentless media, complicated/hard position to be a public person especially in times of high emotions, be it grieve or happy times, press offices working against each other….) are well known and are being discussed for at least 30 years. If he can’t bring anything new to the table what’s the point. Acting as if we really get to know them as a person and are getting told their great love story (which I am sure it is to them. It should be.) is hardly worth a documentary.
And they completely have gotten the point about approval rates and the survival of the monarchy wrong. Sure there is a correlation, but as they can’t be voted out of offices just like that and the people governing the UK have bigger fish to fry for the forseable future, I doubt they would make that a topic on the agenda. And I doubt the ordinary Brit cares about Royals when asking Heat or Eat? Do I bring my child to hospital to check for Strep A? And so on. The monarchy is surprisingly stable for many reasons. The public approval is more a distraction of the public than a real threat.
 
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Soooooo I have watched about 2/3 of the first episode and the only new thing I got was that they met on Insta…..
I will say though, the fact that many of the negative points H has brought up (relentless media, complicated/hard position to be a public person especially in times of high emotions, be it grieve or happy times, press offices working against each other….) are well known and are being discussed for at least 30 years. If he can’t bring anything new to the table what’s the point. Acting as if we really get to know them as a person and are getting told their great love story (which I am sure it is to them. It should be.) is hardly worth a documentary.
And they completely have gotten the point about approval rates and the survival of the monarchy wrong. Sure there is a correlation, but as they can’t be voted out of offices just like that and the people governing the UK have bigger fish to fry for the forseable future, I doubt they would make that a topic on the agenda. And I doubt the ordinary Brit cares about Royals when asking Heat or Eat? Do I bring my child to hospital to check for Strep A? And so on. The monarchy is surprisingly stable for many reasons. The public approval is more a distraction of the public than a real threat.
Don’t forget it’s only the first episodes … they aren’t going to lead with the ‘explosive’ stuff, they have to have a cliffhanger to trail for next week. I mean, it might all still be a load of old tut, but they still want people to watch it.

I should imagine, though, that Netflix are quite happy with how it’s gone … it’s been live blogged on the BBC, the BBC had 3 people watching an episode each at once, clips are being shown regularly and it’s already gathered acres of comment and articles. Even if it is a damp squib content-wise, they’ve still got the publicity out of it.
 
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Don’t forget it’s only the first episodes … they aren’t going to lead with the ‘explosive’ stuff, they have to have a cliffhanger to trail for next week. I mean, it might all still be a load of old tut, but they still want people to watch it.

I should imagine, though, that Netflix are quite happy with how it’s gone … it’s been live blogged on the BBC, the BBC had 3 people watching an episode each at once, clips are being shown regularly and it’s already gathered acres of comment and articles. Even if it is a damp squib content-wise, they’ve still got the publicity out of it.
Exactly. It will be hugely watched, and mainly because of the press. Netflix have hardly had to waste any money on publicity. I only found out when it was on from the DM. The press are doing this, and they know and love it. As usual, it's bread and circuses.
 
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Some people claim this is photoshopped but I don't think so. There are other pictures of him there.
 
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Exactly. It will be hugely watched, and mainly because of the press. Netflix have hardly had to waste any money on publicity. I only found out when it was on from the DM. The press are doing this, and they know and love it. As usual, it's bread and circuses.
On the DM there are 11 articles one after the other before you get to any other stories … and these are just repeated in varying orders across 3 of the sections already … and that before the likes of Judi James and Ingrid Seward tell us what we should be thinking. It’s obviously a slow news day.
 
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Soooooo I have watched about 2/3 of the first episode and the only new thing I got was that they met on Insta…..
I will say though, the fact that many of the negative points H has brought up (relentless media, complicated/hard position to be a public person especially in times of high emotions, be it grieve or happy times, press offices working against each other….) are well known and are being discussed for at least 30 years. If he can’t bring anything new to the table what’s the point. Acting as if we really get to know them as a person and are getting told their great love story (which I am sure it is to them. It should be.) is hardly worth a documentary.
And they completely have gotten the point about approval rates and the survival of the monarchy wrong. Sure there is a correlation, but as they can’t be voted out of offices just like that and the people governing the UK have bigger fish to fry for the forseable future, I doubt they would make that a topic on the agenda. And I doubt the ordinary Brit cares about Royals when asking Heat or Eat? Do I bring my child to hospital to check for Strep A? And so on. The monarchy is surprisingly stable for many reasons. The public approval is more a distraction of the public than a real threat.
How did they meet on insta? I thought it was a blind date

If they really did can they give details of how one goes about meeting a prince on insta😂
 
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They met in Toronto when he was there to promote Invictus. She was dating a chef and he was cooking for them. It was May 2016. They tried to hide it and put out all kinds of different stories out there.
 
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Soooooo I have watched about 2/3 of the first episode and the only new thing I got was that they met on Insta…..
I will say though, the fact that many of the negative points H has brought up (relentless media, complicated/hard position to be a public person especially in times of high emotions, be it grieve or happy times, press offices working against each other….) are well known and are being discussed for at least 30 years. If he can’t bring anything new to the table what’s the point. Acting as if we really get to know them as a person and are getting told their great love story (which I am sure it is to them. It should be.) is hardly worth a documentary.
And they completely have gotten the point about approval rates and the survival of the monarchy wrong. Sure there is a correlation, but as they can’t be voted out of offices just like that and the people governing the UK have bigger fish to fry for the forseable future, I doubt they would make that a topic on the agenda. And I doubt the ordinary Brit cares about Royals when asking Heat or Eat? Do I bring my child to hospital to check for Strep A? And so on. The monarchy is surprisingly stable for many reasons. The public approval is more a distraction of the public than a real threat.
One thing to remember is that Gen Z viewers are new to a lot of royal stuff, weren’t here for all the Diana times, and for many this is their first introduction to how the royal family works, so a lot of it really will be new info for them. Time will tell if it ends up being effective. Netflix will be loving all these first night viewers though, whether they downvote it afterwards or not!
 
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