@ lolander I am not talking about their sudden success, I know a lot of people who have more views than they have from one video & they don't suddenly get 40,000 extra subs more than a year after that video was released & they don't use patreon. If they were so successful, why did they have to approach (& use) SJ for advice on how to get patrons? If it was SJ or someone else that got 40,000 subs in 3 months, some would be suspicious. The Fleuries finish projects but have not decreased their patrons or the money they need. Their success on patreon is because Anna is from UK. I have noticed that the only 2 successful people on patreon from their Chateau YT community are ladies from UK & most of their patrons sre from US some of them ike the UK accent (the posher the better) e.g Lisa Vanderpump a US fan favourite. Also I don't think the Fleuries are more talented or organised than the other chateau owners. They are finshing their projects but still want more patrons & money. I think they all manipulate the viewers for donations but 2 of them got lucky (on patreon), they are not really successful YTubers.