Yes I think you are onto something. She was never interested in socialising with the entire group of class parents before and always hid behind breast feeding and pregnancy- who can't go out when they are pregnant and healthy? Most of us are working up til the end of our pregnancies if we are in good health but she can't go out socially? And since when did she spend all her time breast feeding anyway, she never fed them on demand and once babies are 6 months they start weaning onto solid food anyway. I definitely think it's all damage control, her and Jono trying to manage their negative image and get the parents to like them and see them as normal people.On a separate note... Anna seems to be making a very big effort to get involved with school life all of a sudden. She can use 'i was breastfeeding and pregnant so couldn't' as her excuse for not doing so before, but the timing seems suss when we know something big happened with school/school parents/someone local...
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I think those flowers were gifted to Anna... if I am not mistaken she was gifted similar ones before, I think they were in her bedroom on the windowsill if I remember correctly...
And if not how selfish saying 'they meant to be for you but I'm keeping them because I like them in my kitchen'
That woman has no shame....
And if not how selfish saying 'they meant to be for you but I'm keeping them because I like them in my kitchen'
That woman has no shame....
Long time lurker, first time poster!
Before I begin, let me just say that I am a huge advocate for LGBTQ+ rights and I think that it is incredible that more and more children now have the tools/vocabulary to express their gender identity and gender fluidity from a young age if they wish. In saying that, I believe that transgender children MUST be protected at all costs provided increasing transphobia in public domain and media.
My brother and I have the same age gap as E1 and E2. Being his bossy big sister, I got the final say in what films we watched, the games we played and what we were doing around the house etc. My brother would play with baby dolls, plait my hair, dressed up as disney princesses and would ask for "girl" toys for christmas and birthdays and did makeovers on each other. This was how we played with one another up until he was about 8/9 years old! My brother is now in his mid 20's and is a cisgendered, straight and very masculine man who loves football, cars and the pub
He only played/dressed girly because he was a child with a close in age and older sister who loved girly things. Who does this remind you off!
This was more than 20 years ago, so boys wearing disney princess dresses and playing with barbies was not the most accepted thing. My dad would tut and roll his eyes and try and discourage him so I could not imagine how he would have reacted if my parents constantly had a camera in his face, giving him favouritism and telling him that everyone on the internet loved him for dressing as a girl. My brother was allowed to privately and SAFETLY play pretend girlish/feminine games and then move on from it when he became older.
If E2 is a transgendered child then I hope he one day gets the support he needs. I personally think that if E2 has tried to articulate that he is transgender and would like to transition at some stage when he is older, Anna and Johnathon are even more disgusting for constantly plastering him all over the internet in dresses and swimsuits when he cannot give informed consent for that content to be uploaded. He needs to be protected not only from predators but those who are dangerous towards and intolerant of transgender people. If Anna and Jono actually committed themselves to researching and educating themselves on these issues (which they very obviously haven't!) they would know that transgender people and children are more subject to mental illness and things like being physically and verbally attacked etc. He needs to explore this journey privately and safely away from the criticism and hatred of LGBT people as he is only a small child. Perhaps if he was older teenager etc then I would not be so critical, but he is so so young. I really wish he was more protected
Before I begin, let me just say that I am a huge advocate for LGBTQ+ rights and I think that it is incredible that more and more children now have the tools/vocabulary to express their gender identity and gender fluidity from a young age if they wish. In saying that, I believe that transgender children MUST be protected at all costs provided increasing transphobia in public domain and media.
My brother and I have the same age gap as E1 and E2. Being his bossy big sister, I got the final say in what films we watched, the games we played and what we were doing around the house etc. My brother would play with baby dolls, plait my hair, dressed up as disney princesses and would ask for "girl" toys for christmas and birthdays and did makeovers on each other. This was how we played with one another up until he was about 8/9 years old! My brother is now in his mid 20's and is a cisgendered, straight and very masculine man who loves football, cars and the pub
He only played/dressed girly because he was a child with a close in age and older sister who loved girly things. Who does this remind you off!This was more than 20 years ago, so boys wearing disney princess dresses and playing with barbies was not the most accepted thing. My dad would tut and roll his eyes and try and discourage him so I could not imagine how he would have reacted if my parents constantly had a camera in his face, giving him favouritism and telling him that everyone on the internet loved him for dressing as a girl. My brother was allowed to privately and SAFETLY play pretend girlish/feminine games and then move on from it when he became older.
If E2 is a transgendered child then I hope he one day gets the support he needs. I personally think that if E2 has tried to articulate that he is transgender and would like to transition at some stage when he is older, Anna and Johnathon are even more disgusting for constantly plastering him all over the internet in dresses and swimsuits when he cannot give informed consent for that content to be uploaded. He needs to be protected not only from predators but those who are dangerous towards and intolerant of transgender people. If Anna and Jono actually committed themselves to researching and educating themselves on these issues (which they very obviously haven't!) they would know that transgender people and children are more subject to mental illness and things like being physically and verbally attacked etc. He needs to explore this journey privately and safely away from the criticism and hatred of LGBT people as he is only a small child. Perhaps if he was older teenager etc then I would not be so critical, but he is so so young. I really wish he was more protected
I have a brother the same age who also did this, I would dress up with the girls on my street and sometimes he’d join in to not be left out and wore a dress and wig.Long time lurker, first time poster!
Before I begin, let me just say that I am a huge advocate for LGBTQ+ rights and I think that it is incredible that more and more children now have the tools/vocabulary to express their gender identity and gender fluidity from a young age if they wish. In saying that, I believe that transgender children MUST be protected at all costs provided increasing transphobia in public domain and media.
My brother and I have the same age gap as E1 and E2. Being his bossy big sister, I got the final say in what films we watched, the games we played and what we were doing around the house etc. My brother would play with baby dolls, plait my hair, dressed up as disney princesses and would ask for "girl" toys for christmas and birthdays and did makeovers on each other. This was how we played with one another up until he was about 8/9 years old! My brother is now in his mid 20's and is a cisgendered, straight and very masculine man who loves football, cars and the pub
This was more than 20 years ago, so boys wearing disney princess dresses and playing with barbies was not the most accepted thing. My dad would tut and roll his eyes and try and discourage him so I could not imagine how he would have reacted if my parents constantly had a camera in his face, giving him favouritism and telling him that everyone on the internet loved him for dressing as a girl. My brother was allowed to privately and SAFETLY play pretend girlish/feminine games and then move on from it when he became older.
If E2 is a transgendered child then I hope he one day gets the support he needs. I personally think that if E2 has tried to articulate that he is transgender and would like to transition at some stage when he is older, Anna and Johnathon are even more disgusting for constantly plastering him all over the internet in dresses and swimsuits when he cannot give informed consent for that content to be uploaded. He needs to be protected not only from predators but those who are dangerous towards and intolerant of transgender people. If Anna and Jono actually committed themselves to researching and educating themselves on these issues (which they very obviously haven't!) they would know that transgender people and children are more subject to mental illness and things like being physically and verbally attacked etc. He needs to explore this journey privately and safely away from the criticism and hatred of LGBT people as he is only a small child. Perhaps if he was older teenager etc then I would not be so critical, but he is so so young. I really wish he was more protected
There were a few photographs taken of this and as an adult he has destroyed them all in embarrassment. Can’t imagine how Eduardo would feel if this was just a phase and his parents have exposed him in such a way.
I have a 5 year old daughter, she enjoys cars, diggers, dinosaurs and wearing trousers over dresses. It doesn’t mean she wants to be a boy.
I also feel like they're spoiling him. When I was that age I would have loved all those pretty shoes and dresses and wigs (so that I could pretend I had long, thick hair). He doesn't even seem to be asking, they're just giving it to him. If E1 continually asked for all this stuff would they give it to her? Maybe, but most parents wouldn't.
And I understand that it could be difficult to differentiate between gender issues and dress-up - where do you draw the line between a child wanting these clothes to play with, or genuinely wanting to be that person? I think this is a line which the parents may have blurred.
But as you say the 'girls' clothes are very 'girly', but you don't have to like these things in order to be a girl.
Material. Items. Don't. Define. Gender.
But Anna and Jonathan haven't realised this yet...
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The stuff will be covered in Algae & mold within a couple of weeks ... he doesn't clean, maintain, look after anything properly, just like all the garden inflatables he's bought the kids in the past, the pool with slide, he couldn't be arsed cleaning, draining or storing it properly, he put it up again & tried to hide all the mold all over it, it then quickly disappeared
She is a very sick women, reminds me a bit like the Rose Wests in this world , happy to aid her husband and take part in abusing her own kids, she craves attention and will go to any lengths to get it.
They both really should be behind bars as far as I'm concerned, kids should be where they can be safe, loved and just be kids, they are both evil, manipulative cruel parents.
I watched it on YouTube a few weeks ago, so it’sdefinitely still on there
The funniest thing would be if their “real boy” ( their words, not mine) was gay. They would be apoplectic.
It's on Vimeo, her 'sleeps over' series
I watched it a few days ago. When Stacey asks him how long it takes to edit a vlog and he says 20 minutes and she says “20 minutes every 2 days? That’s a lot” being fully sarcastic and he goes “yeah”. He really thinks he’s working hard to exploit his poor children. It sickens me. Anna seems pretty sad and down trodden in that documentary
They, in particular, her father and maternal grandmother were against her marrying J but more recently, Margaret seems to support them all the time, despite it appearing that they caused her to be prosecuted and fined a large sum for tax evasion which was almost certainly J and A trying to hide some income! M's name and full address were posted in the papers. She was a lecturer and it was unlikely that she had earned all that money.
There is so much to pick over about the psyche of this family.
I’ve noticed that when Anna does her post work out IG stories in the morning, sans makeup and hair done, there is no eye f****ing herself on the camera, she comes across as so much more genuine and likeable. Yet a couple of hours later she comes on with full glow up make up, hair and most likely filters and she is like a different person, quite unlikeable and conceited and clearly loving looking at herself in the camera. It’s like she has two different personas - the unfiltered one that seems so much more real, and the filtered one that is a character. Even in the vlogs they had when she went through a phase of Sunday’s being make up free and leisure wear days - she was again like a different person - one that seemed nicer. I really wish she would just show more of the genuine side to her, rather than the made up one. It’s like she paints herself in all this make up to distinguish her ‘on camera / projection of the rich Mum she thinks she should be’ against the more down to earth, insecure girl battling a lot of mental health issues.
I also think the majority of what E2 is going through is his major inferiority complex towards E1. They were brought up so close in age and so close with each other, but E1 was given all the attention especially from her father, she received the most gifts in the post, the most vlog time… he’s been brought up seeing that. Now he wants to be her. He wants to wear what she wears (eg the crop top), he started singing because that got her some attention on the tik toks, the piano because that got some attention from A, the long hair like she has, the clothing. He seems to try to take the attention off E1 whenever she is doing something. It’s alarming. There’s sibling rivalry and then there is something much more deep-seated like this that needs to be nipped in the bud before it turns in to a very dysfunctional sibling relationship.
Honestly, when I think about it, it seems so strange to be on a gossip forum dissecting a family that I will never meet - I don’t know what drives us all to do this? I know that I have been a fan of these guys (well Anna anyway) since 2014 and in the last couple years I’ve really had my eye opened up to the problems with family vlogging. I guess it is just getting older (mid 30s) and having my own three children and knowing what I would and wouldn’t think was appropriate for them. When I disagree with 99% of what they show of their kids these days then I know they are problematic!
Someone also asked earlier about what parents of kids would think is ok - I have a 7 year old daughter, she absolutely does not own a sports bra, she would absolutely never be posted on social media wearing one, and she would absolutely never be posted on social media posing like that. I have also never seen any of the kids in E1s age bracket at her school dressing like that in school or out of school. So no, it’s not Ok to have a kid of E2s age wearing a sports bra and posted all over social media - regardless of gender.
That’s my 2 cents for the day - have a lovely day!
I’ve noticed that when Anna does her post work out IG stories in the morning, sans makeup and hair done, there is no eye f****ing herself on the camera, she comes across as so much more genuine and likeable. Yet a couple of hours later she comes on with full glow up make up, hair and most likely filters and she is like a different person, quite unlikeable and conceited and clearly loving looking at herself in the camera. It’s like she has two different personas - the unfiltered one that seems so much more real, and the filtered one that is a character. Even in the vlogs they had when she went through a phase of Sunday’s being make up free and leisure wear days - she was again like a different person - one that seemed nicer. I really wish she would just show more of the genuine side to her, rather than the made up one. It’s like she paints herself in all this make up to distinguish her ‘on camera / projection of the rich Mum she thinks she should be’ against the more down to earth, insecure girl battling a lot of mental health issues.
I also think the majority of what E2 is going through is his major inferiority complex towards E1. They were brought up so close in age and so close with each other, but E1 was given all the attention especially from her father, she received the most gifts in the post, the most vlog time… he’s been brought up seeing that. Now he wants to be her. He wants to wear what she wears (eg the crop top), he started singing because that got her some attention on the tik toks, the piano because that got some attention from A, the long hair like she has, the clothing. He seems to try to take the attention off E1 whenever she is doing something. It’s alarming. There’s sibling rivalry and then there is something much more deep-seated like this that needs to be nipped in the bud before it turns in to a very dysfunctional sibling relationship.
Honestly, when I think about it, it seems so strange to be on a gossip forum dissecting a family that I will never meet - I don’t know what drives us all to do this? I know that I have been a fan of these guys (well Anna anyway) since 2014 and in the last couple years I’ve really had my eye opened up to the problems with family vlogging. I guess it is just getting older (mid 30s) and having my own three children and knowing what I would and wouldn’t think was appropriate for them. When I disagree with 99% of what they show of their kids these days then I know they are problematic!
Someone also asked earlier about what parents of kids would think is ok - I have a 7 year old daughter, she absolutely does not own a sports bra, she would absolutely never be posted on social media wearing one, and she would absolutely never be posted on social media posing like that. I have also never seen any of the kids in E1s age bracket at her school dressing like that in school or out of school. So no, it’s not Ok to have a kid of E2s age wearing a sports bra and posted all over social media - regardless of gender.
That’s my 2 cents for the day - have a lovely day!
I just watched the documentary and it was interesting... It confirms that it is Jonathan who is very much behind the 'business' side of things and that he doesn't really care. It also confirms that they are incredibly driven by money. Here are some quotes from the documentary:
"We've never shown fights, we've never shown tantrums, we've never shown things we think will embarrass them later"
- Only last week was Jonathan filming A1 and A2 having a massive screaming fight
- E2 in 'girls' clothing? Only time will tell how he feels about this...
"We don't film the children in scenarios that makes them vulnerable"
- Films them in school uniform, swimwear, gymnastic clothes, pyjamas, adult clothing and makeup
- He posts images of the older children posing in an inappropriate/suggestive manner
"How would you feel if [people] were m*sturb*ting over images of your children?" "I don't really know how to answer... I make it as difficult as I can for my content to be consumed that way"
- Anger? Guilt? Sadness? Disgust? Nope. No answer. His silence speaks volumes and it is incredibly concerning.
- And again, all the aforementioned images (particularly swimwear and suggestive poses) make it incredibly easy for the content to be consumed in that way
"I generally don't leave the house"
- The documentary really suggests that Anna is not coping mentally
He's starting a cult
But we know she is 100% complicit to what they are doing to these kids.
Surely this has got to be the next thread title
An n a is starting to lose weight again. I thought she'd overcome her eating disorder?
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