Rise in deaths/heart attacks in of young sports stars - shane warne RIP

[monga]

No, but you have been trying to suggest the vaccine might behind deaths of young athletes. My statement was about the fact that this whole thread has turned into an analysis of covid/vaccine and seems to be forgetting that biology has a sneaky way of harming humans. And people have used it to push agendas either way.

as for not everyone had covid, fair enough, but again, I was making the point that we can assess the effects of it on the body better because we study it when people are hospitalised/clinics etc. so it’s not about us all having it but we can learn from long covid patients as to what effects it has and discuss this. So it is relevant compared to discussion possible jab effects that are only relayed on facebook

I have said many things could be behind the deaths questioning the vaccine is the same as questioning covid imo along with any other conditions, but funnily enough only certain questions gets you labelled a CT for some reason.

 

[Purrrrrrr]

Did you bother to read the link I put up from 2009, yes you read that right, 2009. It has always been a known issue, you j6st weren't interested until you could push your agenda.

I have always been interested because as I said before It started to rise when the HPV vaccine was introduced. if its always been a thing you will have no problem putting together many cases of young people dropping like flies in a year and a half period before 2008 as that is when the HPV vaccine came out


A documentary on those who died and were injured by the HPV vaccine

Homepage - Sacrificial Virgins

www.sacrificialvirgins.org

 

[monga]

@monga more is coming out about sports men with heart conditions but that is a, because there is a massive disparity in screening between leagues, countries etc. I’ve just been reading a sports book that alludes to that. And b, things are more widely reported because we can see it. Twenty years ago, no one heard of the local footballer dying on the pitch in a local game because it was well, local news. You couldn’t google it and find it like you can now. We need to stop saying x y and z is a phenomenons when it’s always happened, but we took it for what it was, a tragedy, not something for Joe who’s medical info comes from Greys Anatomy reruns to be looking into to find a cause. That’s what specialist researches are for.
This is really pissing me off tbh, I wish we could just accept people have health conditions, they might not be apparent at birth or just come out of the blue, but no one is infallible and the sooner we accept that the better, rather than forever looking for a blame.

That's exactly why I keep an open mind we don't know what these people died from we're not privy to their death cert .

 

[Amyx1518]

YeH 2016 celebs were dropping like flies

 

[Oohthedrama]

I do wonder whether though people have sometimes put off seeking medical treatment due to the pandemic in circumstances in which they otherwise would have and that as a result issues aren't detected that might otherwise have been.

True, this is a good point!!!
Although I’m sure he had better access to health care than most over the last two years!

thing is we all hear the pro/anti argument at volume when something like this happens.
But I wonder what the people on the fence think when they hear about the passing of someone,
which seems to be out of the blue and for no real (known) reason

 

[Freedomofspeech89]

 

[Prefrontalmedialcortex]

Equally people tend to blame covid when there's a lot of other factors at play.

Such as?

 

[PineappleQueen19]

There is no way in the world he was killed by juicing!

There’s cause and there’s contribution. In any case, extreme fasting combined with excess energy drink consumption, smoking, and a lifetime of excess is unquestionably dangerous, particularly in middle age.

 

[Okimbored]

The sad thing is that a lot of people go through life not knowing they have heart conditions. I remember watching a documentary a few years ago (before covid) about people dying from SADS. My grandfather, for example, was perfectly fine one moment and was dead the next. We later found out he had an undiagnosed heart condition which was the cause of his death.

 

[LaBlonde]

I didn't get what was meant by worried I thought it was about dying young in general ,I've had a look at the CT thread and understand why it was now said ...I don't think Shane is a good example to go by but if you ask about the young athletes dropping dead it is a worry incase it's linked to the vaccine ,there does seem to be more focus on it since the rollout and it is a listed side effect in young men ,older sports stars are known to have heart issues after retirement ,Hoddle ,Souness etc but it was rare to witness so many top athletes dropping down dead / forced into retirement a few years ago.

what other young athletes are we referring to though? how many have passed away recently for the vaccine to be in any way a consideration? i’m feeling like i’ve missed something!

 

[emmer_moans]

These seem to be happening when they are doing something, like a girl at a festival is likely to be excited, and walking around, sports players exerting themselves, then dying on the spot, perhaps their hearts are weakened and then some exertion causes their deaths? I know some people do get SADS but it is concerning the frequency of it, it's like we have weakened ourselves. Yes I was vaxxed, I have asthma and thought it was right at the time but now I'm thinking we've probably weakened our bodies. I find colds and coughs are harder to shift now. My whole office got that wintery cough thing this month and from the sound of us all we can't fully shift the thing. We are all sniffy, weeks later, constantly having to clear throats etc. I don't recall it being so hard to shift a cold before Covid.

 

[Notworthy]

You are mistaken I am afraid.Here is a screenshot from the British heart foundation.
It is a side effect , rare but there .A lot of young men are worried about it. I am not saying this is what caused his death I am saying this may be why some jump to conclusion.
If it was talked about more and proper reassurance was given , it may help.

Its been an issue for young men for years, not just since covid. Here is a link from 2009. https://www.c-r-y.org.uk/cry-1995-icap-screening-clinics/
I remember this because I was going to put my son forward

 

[Dooley Doo]

My Stepdad got appendicitis after the third dose. It didn't rupture or have any severe infection. Apparently it has happened a bit and the quacks are looking into it.

Also Shane Warne was never a typical athlete, always had a bit of weight, drinking, drugs, partying etc.
He dramatically lost a lot of weight and did botox whilst dating Liz Hurley.

There was an article about changing to a healthy diet and deaths 3 or 4 years ago but I cannot remember the details.
There were people going for runs and then dying when they sat in their car. They came to a conclusion that people had to let down after intense exercise. That is why instructors have warm ups and let downs.
Years later they chose to look at some of these deaths closer. They found all used margarine and made the connection between transfats and heart disease.
I think I have remembered correctly.

 

[LaBlonde]

I know they did but not as frequently as we're seeing now unless the media is reporting more on it ?

i’m really confused by what you mean “as frequently as we’re seeing now” - is there an influx of young sportsmen collapsing with heart issues? the only recent one i can think of is christian ericsson?

There's been quite a few young foreign players have passed you won't hear of second or third division clubs like you do premier stars .

do we have sources on that? or how it’s linked to the vaccine?

 

[LaBlonde]

I know that but just going by my own observations I have seen more than usual ( whether they're showing more than usual ? )my son plays football I take an interest in these things as that would be my worst nightmare …Comirnaty PIL
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i appreciate that you have a new level of concern but the thing you need to focus on here is “very rare” and “most cases were mild”. also not sure how your observations can be more than the actual reporting, unless you’re watching secret underground football.

it’s also “very rare” or borderline impossible to have a vaccine with absolutely no reported side affects.

 

[Oohthedrama]

I knew the second I saw Shane Warne had passed that his death would be hi-jacked by the anti Covid vax crew. Not just because he'd been vocal about getting his vaccinations but every death is related to vaccines for some of them. How about waiting until the poor man has been autopsied and his condition confirmed before you start crowing about it?
Ghoulish behaviour, IMO.

Its the first thing I saw, hence I set up the thread wondering if this view was spreading.

 

[monga]

i appreciate that you have a new level of concern but the thing you need to focus on here is “very rare” and “most cases were mild”. it’s also “very rare” or borderline impossible to have a vaccine with absolutely no reported side affects.

That's why informed choice is paramount . I watch with interest on what the next 10 years bring .

 

[Oohthedrama]

There’s a certain minority who will blame everything and anything on the vaccines. So many factors that can lead to heart related medical problems - age, poor diet, smoking, family history etc. The pandemic has also delayed treatment and people having access to medical care which could exacerbate health conditions.

Finally, Covid-19 infection has been linked to an increase in heart related issues - even in those who have had a mild infection. But, you’ll rarely see people talk about this because they’re determined to blame the vaccine.

Long-term cardiovascular outcomes of COVID-19 - Nature Medicine

Individuals with COVID-19 are at increased long-term risk for a wide range of cardiovascular disorders, even for individuals who were not hospitalized during the acute phase of the infection.

www.nature.com

If I’m honest,
this is kinda why I wanted to ask this question,

For people like me who are confused by a lot of what I’m seeing/reading/hearing and not knowing what to think or believe,

I never questioned any of it really, at all until now, and I’m not in either camp, never believed CT’s
So for people like me just in this limbo, in the middle I wanted to know are they concerned seeing reports like deaths and heart attacks etc.

 

[Freedomofspeech89]

 

[monga]

If it's me you're referring to I don't read every post nor would it answer my concerns about the possibility of vaccines contributing to heart damage if it's from 2009.