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Be More Pacific

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I've been fascinated with murder for as long as I can remember and I read and watch a huge amount of material on the subject.

Since I medically retired five years ago, my interest has only grown, especially with local newspapers reporting live from court on bigger cases and the ability to look at victims and defendants on social media, it's probably at obsessive levels now. In the UK, we don't actually find out the full details of the case until the first day of trial (which is absolutely how it should be) when the prosecution lay out their case but I do like to try and piece things together before then if I can. Social media is an absolutely goldmine for this. That's what interests me to be honest - people's relationships, interactions and motives.

The way I work is that I will read about a new murder on the BBC news website or maybe I'll see something on one of the local newspapers if I'm following a trial. I then have a look at Facebook and see if I can work out if it's likely to interest me. You can usually work out what kind of case it it - I'd say 85% of the time it will turn out to be drug related in some way. I'm particularly interested in cases involving the homeless community and vulnerable victims as I tend to feel these are the people that have been maybe forgotten in some way by society. I'm pretty hardened but those are the cases that really get to me and obviously child murders. I also really enjoy (if that's the right word) purely circumstantial cases and no body trials.

If it piques my interest, then it goes on my "trial calendar" (like I said, no judgement 😂) and I'll follow it through until conclusion. I had to start this as I was losing track! Certain local newspapers - Liverpool Echo, Essex Live, Teeside Live and Coventry Live are very good - usually do live reporting on bigger cases where one of their journalists sits in court and reports what's going on every day. I love this! It really gives you a feel for the case and the whole court process. I like to think I have a good understanding now of the legal system and sentencing guidelines (all self taught)

I check court listings to keep track of my trials and read judge's full sentencing remarks once the case is over (they are usually published in high profile cases and are very illuminating) I also have a list of unsolved cases, missing people, cases waiting for charges to be brought and inquest outcomes which I check on periodically.

I only have one active trial I'm following at the moment, which is due to restart again tomorrow after the Christmas break, and I have one new one starting tomorrow which I suspect will turn out to be drugs related. The week after, I have six new trials scheduled to start! Happy to share details and discuss if anyone is interested.

As for TV, I love 24 Hours in Police Custody. There's a two part special on tomorrow and Tuesday about a trial I actually followed so I'm looking forward that. Also, I don't usually follow cases in Scotland (or Wales) - I'm busy enough with England - but I did follow a no body trial there involving a vulnerable victim with learning difficulites. There is a programme on BBC2 this week about it on Wednesday - Murder Trial: The Disappearance of Margaret Fleming.

ITV did a couple of really good real life crime dramas last year - Manhunt and A Confession - and have a new one starting on Wednesday called White House Farm about Jeremy Bamber. I think it will be interesting to see what slant they take on it given Bamber still proclaims his innocence. I'm not sure he is but I do believe his conviction is unsafe.

My favourite USA real life crime shows are:

Cold Justice
The First 48
Disappeared
On The Case with Paula Zahn
Shattered
Reasonable Doubt
48 Hours
Dateline

So, there you go. My obsession laid bare.

Let's get chatting 😂
 
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Ponponpon

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I love listening to murder/crime podcasts when running but it does mean that I'm too scared to run the forest tracks at the back of my house in the winter 👀😂
I was watching a Peter Sutcliffe documentary and heard noises from upstairs. I was convinced someone was in the house and my husband was 300 miles away. Long story short (and after my heart rate reached 127!) I'd locked the cat in a bedroom and we have a camera in the back garden now 😂
 
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fmmac

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I love listening to murder/crime podcasts when running but it does mean that I'm too scared to run the forest tracks at the back of my house in the winter 👀😂
 
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petitspois

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I watch so many of these programmes I reckon I could get away with murder ;)
I don’t think you can beat the episode of Tales of the Unexpected (really old) where the wife kills the husband with a frozen leg of lamb then cooks it and serves it to the police investigating
 
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Pickminy

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I have found my people! 😊🙏

Love true crime (feels so wrong using the word love when talking about crime 🙈). Its all I ever watch, read or listen to. My husband says its depressing but i find it fascinating!
 
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Candytuft

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I have relatives who live very very near to where Claudia Lawrence lived, one worked in the Nags Head. He won’t say one word about anyone he knew there. Not a peep. Too frightened. It’s very strange. She mixed with some very dodgy characters indeed and was extremely secretive. But she had her dad with her regular on a Friday night in there and apparently knew more about her lifestyle than he can admit. There is one rumour about what happened that I have heard more than once from different people. It’s terrible if true. The police know about this rumour and are certain who was involved. They are bound by what they did. If one tells, they will all cop it. So lips are sealed. I hope to God they get their just desserts someday.
 
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Fanaff

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As we are here sans judgement...do you have a ‘favourite’ true case/killer, the one that fascinates you the most?
I wouldn’t say it fascinates me as I can’t stand to know all the details as it is so horrific but one case I can never stop thinking about is the guy who killed his wife, unborn baby and 2 little girls. Chris Watts. He tried to say his wife had killed the girls then he killed her out of anger but it came out he was having an affair and that was his motive. It is so heartbreaking, he showed no remorse at all.
 
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DCICassieStuart

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The murder of Rachel Nickell. A young blonde mum who the press described as a model (not so sure about that but....) who was murdered in a very public place, Wimbledon Common, in front of her young son who was not touched by the killer.

Samanatha Bisset, another pretty blonde mum, who was on benefits IIRC and dabbling, although not very seriously, in escorting, was murdered in her council flat along with her four year old daughter, Jasmine, in a sexually motivated, carefully planned attack. If you've read the details, you'll never forget them. Genuinely, genuinely horrific.

Rachel Nickell's murder was headline news for years. Samantha Bisset barely got a mention. In fact, the lead detective complained to Paul Britton that he just couldn't get the press interested. Chances are unless you've read his book, you've probably never heard of her.

Yet they were both murdered by the same man, Robert Napper.
The same thing with the victims of the Yorkshire Ripper back in the 70s. The first time he murdered a woman who wasn't a sex worker, she was described as his first 'innocent' victim. As if all the other victims deserved to be murdered :mad:
 
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50sGirl

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This has been on my trial calendar since it happened. The original trial date came and went no doubt because, early on, there was an indication there would be a mental health defence but fuck me, I was not expecting this 😞

Obviously the daughter is seriously mentally ill but the man on the allotment didn’t call the police and just mentioned it to a friend the next day?! If someone had pulled out a severed head from a carrier bag and then kissed it in front of me I think 999 would have been my first thought.
 
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Youtubegossip

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Unheard the Fred and rose west tapes is an interesting podcast

I love true crime.
You can actually go to the old bailey to watch high profile cases, I really wanted to but couldn’t find anyone to come with me 😂
 
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Sariassong

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I was living in Sheffield at the time this all broke out - the police took to SM to tell people to stop making death threats to the family at one stage. There was also another member of the immediate family who was frequently posting on FB about ( i think the person was the step brother to Sarah Barrass) . Then mum ( of the woman who poisoned her children ) appeared on fb as well further fuelling the fire. There were many many rumours ( and it was rumours) that the father of the three youngest children was the mum's brother ( blood) which is the reason she wanted to kill them, and that the reason they had become romantically involved was because of the incestuous relationship between Cersei & Jamie Lannister on the tv show GOT. This is also something that the step brother ( who kept posting comments on FB ) had alleged to be a fact. Mum ( of the poisoner ) did not confirm this though. Its also worth pointing out that the family are from a very rough area of Sheffield - not sure there would have been the same interest had they been from the leafy suburbs. It was a truly tragic and horrific event that went on for some time ( on SM at least). The police refused to release any details other than the absolute bare minimum due to concerns for other family members. In all my years on FB i have never witnessed anything like it.
She was jailed at the end of 2019 i believe.

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I read the Serious Case Review and it made me think about this differently.
The older boy had started sexually assaulting other kids including the little sister and the next eldest was getting obsessed with porn. Sarah asked and asked for help from social services but she got more ans more scared she had made her kids monsters. She had been sexually abused as a child and she couldn't stand to see it again.
Really really difficult read.
 
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Be More Pacific

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24 Hours in Police Custody.

Here are the judge's full sentencing remarks - they are definitely worth reading if you want to understand the case properly as there was actually a lot missing from the programme about the drugs operation, the hierarchy, the motive and what they did afterwards. The judge deemed it a murder carried out for gain which means a starting point of 30 years. He allowed a slight reduction (mitigation) for their ages.

 
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GeorgiaOrwell

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Fantastic thread! Charlene Downs really upset me- she was utterly failed by everyone in life and death. Her parents know far more about her disappearance than they are saying.
 
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What's your point

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That investigation was a complete cock up from start to finish, I’m sure in thinking he went on this morning as well
I don't remember Poppy's father going on This Morning (but I dont watch it often at all) but I do remember this asshole going on.


I remember this so clearly as her grand parents were beyond devastated and if I remember rightly spent thousands trying to get custody of Ellie, I remember her grandad getting interviewed and his heart break was so raw.
 
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MissTeddy

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Came on to say this. There's a lack of information in the reporting, probably given the sensitivity of it. Its a strange one, usually and I think was the case with Beverly Allet, there's at least one or two people who say "yeah, they were an odd fish" or something along those lines. Not one person in this case, everyone including colleagues appear to be shocked and in disbelief. If she really is responsible, that kind of makes it worse!
And if she isn’t responsible she’ll never recover from this.
 
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Emoji

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Did anyone see Hidden in plain sight on Netflix? That one was one the weirdest things I’ve ever seen. There were so many moments I thought wtf am I watching?
 
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