Real Life Crime and Murder #20

[Allmyownopinion]

If they managed to track down the parent of the abandoned babies, would they be charged with abandoning them? Just thinking would it even be reported that they’d been found? It’s utterly horrific what they’ve done so I dread to think too much about the why……..

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

That's very specific...

" He is left-handed and wears size 9.5 footwear. "

Yes, left handed is understandable as it’s easily identifying, but the foot size?!

 

[Tumbleweed]

Worked for me so far…..

When I click on the posts there's no AA comes up

 

[wibble]

Well that doesn't look good...

Teacher accused of having sex with schoolboys arrives for trial

Rebecca Joynes, 30, is on trial accused of six counts of engaging in sexual activity with a child, including two while being a person in a position of trust.

www.dailymail.co.uk

"The boy's friend, the court heard, had initially covered for him by going along with the story that he was staying with him.

But he later became concerned and asked his mother to drive them to collect the boy from Joynes' flat....

... The friend's mother then called the boy's 'hysterical' mother to tell her what had happened and she had contacted the school. "

" Police launched an investigation in October 2021 and Joynes was subsequently charged over Boy A and suspended by her school.

She appeared at court and was bailed on condition she did not contact any child under 18, but the prosecution claim it then emerged she'd been in a long-term sexual relationship with a second pupil, Boy B.

It's alleged she 'brazenly' pursued the relationship while on bail awaiting trial in relation to Boy A and had sex with Boy B at around 30 times and she became pregnant and had his child."

hmmmmm....

 

[TapToBoreMeRigid]

*Tuesday
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Apologies. I got too excited

 

[GeminiMoon]

Please could anybody put this article through the archive so we can read it without a subscription?

The showjumping community torn apart by murder, rape and infidelity

Katie's death, apparently by her own hand, had blindsided everyone. But as the months passed, the truth about Katie's death emerged - a horrifying tale of murder that has utterly destroyed her family.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Sorry to ask - I don’t know why it’s not working for me…

 

[Pulltheotherone]

Absolutely this

 

[Justhereforthedrama]

Was there any doubt? He will probably die before he is executed.

Rip Tylee, JJ and Tammy (and Charles Vallow, hopefully Lori is convicted for your death as well)

Well according to his own theology he was a ‘light soul’ so he should have no fear or worry about being executed.

 

[Libertine1975]

Has anyone heard of the Karen Read trial? It is ongoing now in the US, state of Massachusetts. She is accused of murder - hitting her boyfriend with a car and leaving him for dead to freeze to death in a snow storm. The court sessions are being streamed live, courtTV streams them as well as some lawyer you tubers that also give commentary. It’s 15 days into the case and the prosecution still hasn’t put forth any scientific evidence to explain how he died and how she did it. Her defense is that she’s been framed by local police. Her boyfriend was a Boston POlice officer. The owner of the property he was found on is also a Boston Police officer (retired now) and has many connections to the local police (his brother is a local police man.) Her lawyers are excellent to watch. Somehow the FBI also has investigated and provided evidence but no one understands how they are involved.

I'm watching it. The prosecution still has a fuck load of witnesses to bring in. I actually am getting annoyed by her lawyers trying to make issues out of certain things when there seem to be so many other issues.

 

[kev1974]

It may be the father of the babies who is dumping them - or accompanying her to do so. I'm sure no woman would voluntarily get into, or remain in, a situation like this.

Yes I know, just the fact that they've all three been alive, all in a towel, and all not particularly well hidden, says to me it's not a heartless and brutal abusive man doing the actual depositing of the babies. I'm sure abuse and fear is involved, just not in the actual act of abandoning them. Just the way my feelings are going. Well aware that I could be wrong.

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

Yeah I agree. It seems more likely to be an abusive romantic relationship but I wouldn't be too surprised if this is a father abusing his daughter, as grim as that is. I would guess she must be pretty isolated for people to not be aware of her pregnancies.

I wondered this. I didn’t pay enough attention in Biology but DNA must show that the maternal and paternal DNA are also similar I think? Not that the police would be likely to report that if it were the case.
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Would the DNA or genetic profile prove any familial abuse?

I should have carried on reading!

 

[wibble]

Gosh...

Woman charged with attempted murder as man fights for life in hospital

A woman has been charged with attempted murder in the Bradford district.

www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk

 

[wibble]

Yes, I was thinking about this more last night and wouldn't feel the same if the sexes were reversed!

The judgement, and the sentence was probably about right.

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

This link also works https://12ft.io/

 

[wibble]

Lawyer You Know, and his dad, on the Weinstein appeal...

 

[Crazy87]

Was the 7s festival that's been mentioned close?

I had no idea there was a festival, I’ve just googled it and the festival is more near Bournemouth airport which isn’t close to the beach at all 8.7 miles away

 

[GeminiMoon]

The websleuths thread also has quite alot of info from the first trial where people were following along

UK - Nicholas Billingham, 42, body found buried in garden, Northampton, Mar 2022 *arrest*

https://www.northants.police.uk/news/northants/news/missing-people/2022/march-22/woman-48-charged-with-murder-following-the-discovery-of-a-buried-body-in-northampton/ We believe it to be that of a missing 42-year-old male, but formal identification has yet to take place.

www.websleuths.com

Thank you! Interesting reading.

 

[wibble]

Such a weird story. Saying “died after a cardiac arrest” is as vague as saying “died after the heart stopped beating” (I realise the vagueness is deliberate at this stage). There’s a mention of the baby being in a sling, so a good chance that he could have suffocated due to being placed in it incorrectly. But that would surely be a tragic accident and wouldn’t be grounds to arrest a parent for neglect?

Thinking back to cases where babies have died after sleeping in the same bed or sofa as a parent, have parents been arrested for neglect then too?

I don't disagree.
The police are investigating, and she is on bail until July.

Of course if it turns out she was on the bumper cars...

 

[MedeaWho]

Does anyone know more on this? Any speculation who the people arrested were to her?

Statement on Sarah Mayhew

“Police have confirmed that the remains found in the River Wandle yesterday are believed to be those of Sarah Mayhew, a 38-year-old woman from Croydon. Two people known to her are already charged w…

news.merton.gov.uk

 

[wibble]

Were Hillebrand and Franke in a romantic relationship? I couldn't figure that out. It was a strange dynamic between them.
The boy who altered the neighbour was so brave, he was brainwashed into thinking he was going to be in trouble but still got to safety and saved his siblings.
Both of them were very strange individuals, I couldn't decide of Franke showed any glimmer of remorse at all. She seemed to acknowledge it was wrong but it seemed so false in court when she made that statement.

They did give that vibe.
But I suspect they were just high on the power they had over other people.