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I'm 51 and naturally pregnant with my 2nd set of DCDA twins. 1st set I had last Yr at 50.
When I first heard about the note in the reporting from the prosecution I actually thought well, that is definitely a confession. But actually, on reflection and from reading the full note, it has swayed me to think she’s possibly innocent.. It has really reminded me of when I’ve been in a dark place and wrote in my journal horrible and severe self-loathing ramblings, and so in a way I could relate to some of the parts she wrote. And although not really relevant but I’m doing my training currently in mental health nursing and on one of my placements I walked in on a patient trying to suffocate herself with a bag. It was extremely traumatic and at the time I was so shocked to walk in to her room and see her like that, that I froze for a few seconds before I called the alarm for help. Anyway, straight after that my mind went in to overdrive and I started thinking of myself as an evil and terrible person for freezing and not acting right away, and thinking things like “if she dies does that mean I killed her because I’m not good enough at being a nurse and I could have done more?” - luckily the patient was fine 
anyway I’m rambling but my point is, I’m trying to think if I was a nurse accused of these heinous crimes then there’s a possibility I too would be writing ramblings similar to that. I don’t know, but I know I just want her to be innocent because my mind can’t comprehend anyone, let alone a nurse, doing these terrible things to those poor defenceless babies 
. I think also cause I’m a local from Hereford that it makes me feel sick that a potential killer was just down the road, and someone who some of my friends knew 
. Herefordshire already has Fred West from here we don’t need even more of a bad name lol.
Anyway I’m going to dip in and out of these threads because I’ve been thinking about this case wayyyy too much and need to protect my MH. Really enjoying everyone’s balanced and respectful views tho - so much nicer than the fb groups
and constantly thinking of those poor families being put through this. 
anyway I’m rambling but my point is, I’m trying to think if I was a nurse accused of these heinous crimes then there’s a possibility I too would be writing ramblings similar to that. I don’t know, but I know I just want her to be innocent because my mind can’t comprehend anyone, let alone a nurse, doing these terrible things to those poor defenceless babies . I think also cause I’m a local from Hereford that it makes me feel sick that a potential killer was just down the road, and someone who some of my friends knew . Herefordshire already has Fred West from here we don’t need even more of a bad name lol. Anyway I’m going to dip in and out of these threads because I’ve been thinking about this case wayyyy too much and need to protect my MH. Really enjoying everyone’s balanced and respectful views tho - so much nicer than the fb groups
and constantly thinking of those poor families being put through this. This is so insulting to anyone with bipolar disorder not to mention totally inaccurate... The ramblings of a manic are incoherent, grandiose, often psychotic with random ideas, loose connections, spiritual intonations. Her note is clearly her very distressed and panicking - that is not the same as mentally ill and nothing like manic.
Anyone else think the D’s on the bottom “I AM EVIL I DID THIS” look different to the other capital D’s? Discrimination, Dad look the same. Another Did and Despair look the same as each other but different again to Discrimination and Despair. About 3 different ways of writing D from what I can see.
Means absolutely nothing to be honest I’m just thinking out loud.
From what we know I think she’s guilty but got an open mind.
Edit: actually the E in the last sentence is different to the other capital E’s on the note. Just thought it was interesting.
Means absolutely nothing to be honest I’m just thinking out loud.
From what we know I think she’s guilty but got an open mind.
Edit: actually the E in the last sentence is different to the other capital E’s on the note. Just thought it was interesting.
I wonder how they separate out other causes of increased death rates.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Ex-Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt, who originally ordered the probe back in 2017 to examine just 23 cases of poor care, said the scale of the failures shown in report was 'beyond his darkest fears'. He said a 'natural birth ideology' had pressured mothers to avoid C-sections even when 'that might have been the safer option'.
201 babies died in biggest ever NHS maternity scandal
Sajid Javid has revealed police are investigating 600 cases related to the Shrewsbury maternity scandal as a report reveals 201 babies died needlessly due to poor care.
Ex-Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt, who originally ordered the probe back in 2017 to examine just 23 cases of poor care, said the scale of the failures shown in report was 'beyond his darkest fears'. He said a 'natural birth ideology' had pressured mothers to avoid C-sections even when 'that might have been the safer option'.
The fact she said slander , discrimination, victimisation points that she believes she's innocent. It's not a confession note but it's like she believed she brought it on herself because she wasn't competent enough. Imagine if you were accused of killing babies and you hadn't it would make a usually mentally healthy person very distressed.
I'm so sorry to all those babies this case is horrific. She's either a serial killer or a very unlucky person, locked up for years on remand. Very scary.
I don’t think that’s correct. I’m pretty sure you have to meet certain criteria which involves means testing. She owned her own home so I doubt she would get it.
I read it as "I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough".Trying to block out some of the words that look like they've been written separately to make sense of it. Does anyone know what it says above 'I killed them'?
To me it sort of looks like "they said I killed them because I'm not good enough to care for them + I am a horrible evil person" which sound like she's saying other people are accusing her of killing them, but also I'm not convinced at all that the second word is 'said'
Edit, it took me that long to read and do the screenshot that it's already been spotted, ignore me & keep scrolling
I wonder if there will be any discussion around why there was such a high number of stillbirths that same year.
Is it correct that once Lucy had been suspended the unit stopped taking babies (at least very sick ones) for a while? Therefore the number of deaths would automatically return to 0.
Is it correct that once Lucy had been suspended the unit stopped taking babies (at least very sick ones) for a while? Therefore the number of deaths would automatically return to 0.
OT but straight up respect to you coz bloody hell, I don’t think I could handle 1 set of twins let alone 2 sets
To be fair we've all been twisted by the revelation of the note. Earlier on I couldn't see a way for her to be innocent writing that, but now we've seen the note it's not as clear cut as it we were led to believe. However, the jury would have seen the note from the prosecutions summing up so presumably would have seen it in its entirety.
I'm not sure she's an only child. Someone posted an old birthday announcement from a newspaper and it was from two boys, her brothers?
Sorry yeah I forgot to say the on purpose bit, it's late and I've had a long day!
I’ve never thought of it like that but it could’ve been. I really think she’s guilty. I know lots of people go to trial and are found not guilty but I really think with the nature of this and the number of charges they will surely have been super careful gathering evidence to present to court. I also think the fact that the deaths dropped when she was moved shifts is very strange.
different rules for criminal than civil. She will be on legal aid. Her legal fees at this point will be in the 100ks
or more likely she's throwing around buzzwords and coming up with her defence. I really don't know how anyone can look at the prosecution statement, the evidence we've had so far and that note , and think that she's innocent. I believe in everyone's right to a fair trial and innocent until proven guilty. But there is too much at this point for me to believe she didn't do this. For what it's worth I think her defence is weak.
Once any savings or money from sale of house (if it has been sold) runs out, she’s then entitled to legal aid so she may have hired him at the beginning and paid for him herself, and now she claims legal aid for him
Ah thank you I didn't know this. Consent is the main thing as I said
I hope you are rightThat makes senseOnce any savings or money from sale of house (if it has been sold) runs out, she’s then entitled to legal aid so she may have hired him at the beginning and paid for him herself, and now she claims legal aid for him
Did they establish if it was taken on her personalAh thank you I didn't know this. Consent is the main thing as I said
Phone though? In every trust I’ve worked at we have disposable cameras or trust cameras for this if the parents are not ready to have those photos in their property yet. Obviously consent is going to be massive for this! Just find it a little strange
Please be kind to yourself.When I first heard about the note in the reporting from the prosecution I actually thought well, that is definitely a confession. But actually, on reflection and from reading the full note, it has swayed me to think she’s possibly innocent.. It has really reminded me of when I’ve been in a dark place and wrote in my journal horrible and severe self-loathing ramblings, and so in a way I could relate to some of the parts she wrote. And although not really relevant but I’m doing my training currently in mental health nursing and on one of my placements I walked in on a patient trying to suffocate herself with a bag. It was extremely traumatic and at the time I was so shocked to walk in to her room and see her like that, that I froze for a few seconds before I called the alarm for help. Anyway, straight after that my mind went in to overdrive and I started thinking of myself as an evil and terrible person for freezing and not acting right away, and thinking things like “if she dies does that mean I killed her because I’m not good enough at being a nurse and I could have done more?” - luckily the patient was fine
Anyway I’m going to dip in and out of these threads because I’ve been thinking about this case wayyyy too much and need to protect my MH. Really enjoying everyone’s balanced and respectful views tho - so much nicer than the fb groups
As health care professionals we always have situations that on reflection we wish we had dealt with differently.
I always think, I have been in that situation, it turned out fine, it has prepared me for future situations that could end differently if I didn’t go through that experience. I hope that makes sense. And then you can start to think more positively about them.
Please don’t compare yourself to someone who has been accused of such heinous crimes.
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