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iLoveNectarines
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Who was berating a poster in the last thread saying they won't drop a bombshell because its not a drama series?
MmmB777
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Who’s going to be the first to say…
She could have been talking about her houseplants
Hope the poster that said there’ll be a bombshell is feeling a lot better after her pile on
Nurseali
VIP Member
Then I hope you are never on a jury with respect
Windowtothewall
Chatty Member
To whoever said the prosecution would drop a bombshell at the end. Damn, you were right.
On another piece of paper, she wrote: 'I don’t deserve to live. I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough”.
“'I am a horrible evil person' and in capital letters, 'I AM EVIL I DID THIS'.
"That, in a nutshell," Mr Johnson tells the court, "is your case."
On another piece of paper, she wrote: 'I don’t deserve to live. I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough”.
“'I am a horrible evil person' and in capital letters, 'I AM EVIL I DID THIS'.
"That, in a nutshell," Mr Johnson tells the court, "is your case."
freaknasty
Chatty Member
What I think people are glossing over is the fact the note was found on her first arrest. I’m presuming at this point she had no idea she was potentially going to be charged with murder. So why is she writing about killing children?
friedeggontoast
Chatty Member
Everyone’s allowed their own opinions, let’s keep this discussion open and non judgmental. 
How long will defence’s opening statements last?
How long will defence’s opening statements last?
LittleMy
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People who are trying to explain her actions don’t necessarily believe she is innocent and are actually showing that they can think logically and rationally by looking at all other possibilities. Narrow-mindedness doesn’t help anybody, and it especially won’t help the jury. Would you want to be responsible for sending an innocent person to prison for the rest of their life? Or worse, allowing a guilty one to walk free?It’s been said a lot on this thread to those leaning guilty “hope you’re never on a jury” blah blah
Just saying that if anyone accused of my murder is found to have a note saying I did it I’m evil I killed her on purpose… I really hope everybody explaining it away aren’t on the juryright back at you guys
candyland_
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I think it’s possible that she was writing what she thought people were saying about her during a mental crisis.
Baby P 🥲🥲🥲
If she is guilty , she watched as Baby O parents dealt with loosing him , I could only imagine there grief.
Then the next day murdered their other son and watched again, to put them through that if guilty is honestly one of worst things I have heard. She will be more notorious than Myra Hindley if she has done this…..
And it looks like she quickly moved on to Baby Q..
If she is guilty , she watched as Baby O parents dealt with loosing him , I could only imagine there grief.
Then the next day murdered their other son and watched again, to put them through that if guilty is honestly one of worst things I have heard. She will be more notorious than Myra Hindley if she has done this…..
And it looks like she quickly moved on to Baby Q..
ChampagneBox
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Looks like the stuff I write when I’m feeling rock bottom
Not sure this sways it enough to guilty for me having had personal experience of writing like this
wishiniwasskinny
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IF you were to play devils advocate, you could say due to her mental stAte regarding being put on admin duties under suspicion and that the police had been involved and she was arrested, she might have been berating herself as responsible despite not having intentionally killed them.
i imagine the defence will focus on the notes protesting her innocence and asking questions as to how it’s ended up at that point. And that the statements of evil were made in a moment of. despair
i imagine the defence will focus on the notes protesting her innocence and asking questions as to how it’s ended up at that point. And that the statements of evil were made in a moment of. despair
friedeggontoast
Chatty Member
1 juror and 1 reserve juror have been dismissed
The current juror said they could not continue
The current juror said they could not continue
freaknasty
Chatty Member
“I will never have children or marry” could be her thinking about her life if she went to jail
tinkertailorsoldierspy
Chatty Member
The notes sounds to me likes she's panicked
'Who knows what? What evidence do they have? Who can prove what?' Personally that sounds like guilty ramblings of someone trying to keep a check of it all.
'Who knows what? What evidence do they have? Who can prove what?' Personally that sounds like guilty ramblings of someone trying to keep a check of it all.
just_nicole
Active member
Completely playing devil's advocate here, but could we be reading someone's mental demise. Not so much a final goodbye note but certainly something written during a complete breakdown.
Anyone who has been close to that point will understand the levels of blame and self hating you suffercate yourself in.
Those notes were written after she knew she was being investigated for multiple deaths.
Even the accusation would have tipped me over the edge.
If she guilty throw the book at her, but if she isn't think of how mentally fucked you'd be after being accused of the vicious crimes she's been and nothing you were saying was believed?
Anyone who has been close to that point will understand the levels of blame and self hating you suffercate yourself in.
Those notes were written after she knew she was being investigated for multiple deaths.
Even the accusation would have tipped me over the edge.
If she guilty throw the book at her, but if she isn't think of how mentally fucked you'd be after being accused of the vicious crimes she's been and nothing you were saying was believed?
bluefish40
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I am trying to catch up, I’m still on the previous thread and think there will be a new one before I get to this one.
I was a neonatal nurse, 11 years ago now. I will try as others have to answer any questions etc, but be aware that best practices change, especially after more than 10 years although many fundamentals stay the same.
I have thought about this, an honestly I worked in a brilliant NICU (high dependency)which was also a SCBU (for babies who need help feeding mainly)
Our high dependency was a room with a 360 nurses station in the middle and incubators around the walls, hope that explains it.
But people get busy, and engrossed in what they are doing. Often babies would stop breathing, (and this might sound awful) but a quick tap of the pedal to make the incubator move up or down would be enough to give the baby a little shock and remind them that they need to breathe. (I have seen people asking how common these deteriorations can be) in my experience these little episodes are quite frequent. The only child death we had in the three years while I worked there was a full term baby who had complications, very sick babies were transferred to a specialist children's hospital close by.
There are numerous times in a day when you are preoccupied with your patients, talking to parents, or simply running to the lav, simple things happen numerous times a day where your trusting your colleagues and they have times where they are ‘unsupervised’
She could have easily had syringes prepared with medication in her pocket, just waiting on an opportunity to strike. So in plain sight if you understand me.
I don’t really know my point in saying this, it has probably been covered 100s of times, but I feel better getting it off my chest and sharing.
I was a neonatal nurse, 11 years ago now. I will try as others have to answer any questions etc, but be aware that best practices change, especially after more than 10 years although many fundamentals stay the same.
I have thought about this, an honestly I worked in a brilliant NICU (high dependency)which was also a SCBU (for babies who need help feeding mainly)
Our high dependency was a room with a 360 nurses station in the middle and incubators around the walls, hope that explains it.
But people get busy, and engrossed in what they are doing. Often babies would stop breathing, (and this might sound awful) but a quick tap of the pedal to make the incubator move up or down would be enough to give the baby a little shock and remind them that they need to breathe. (I have seen people asking how common these deteriorations can be) in my experience these little episodes are quite frequent. The only child death we had in the three years while I worked there was a full term baby who had complications, very sick babies were transferred to a specialist children's hospital close by.
There are numerous times in a day when you are preoccupied with your patients, talking to parents, or simply running to the lav, simple things happen numerous times a day where your trusting your colleagues and they have times where they are ‘unsupervised’
She could have easily had syringes prepared with medication in her pocket, just waiting on an opportunity to strike. So in plain sight if you understand me.
I don’t really know my point in saying this, it has probably been covered 100s of times, but I feel better getting it off my chest and sharing.
I’mThankyou_
VIP Member
I'm seeing the link now between death rates dropping, their nicu being downgraded to a level 1, and lucy going on admin duty.
Did they stop because she went on admin duty? Or did they stop because no one under the gestation of 32 weeks was to be admitted there. Or did they stop as a result of both of these things being implemented?
Did they stop because she went on admin duty? Or did they stop because no one under the gestation of 32 weeks was to be admitted there. Or did they stop as a result of both of these things being implemented?
