how many times does she have to be the only nurse with a baby at the very moment they suddenly experience an unexpected collapse before it’s more than just a coincidence?
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And if that’s the case it’s going to cast serious doubts over LL's guilt for me.
Take the incident of that little baby bleeding out a 1/3 of its blood. A PM should have been carried out to determine exactly what happened. If he was murdered it could have been determined then.
TBH today so far it’s looking to me more like the hospital had massive failings
Am I right I’m thinking the parents of that baby didn’t want a PM?
I don't recall hearing/reading about the hospital's procedure as soon as a death was reported ...
Was Lucy stood down for a period whilst investigations were undertaken?
And if so, when she returned to work, was she 'shadowed' with (supervised by) another nurse for a period?
I'd also be interested in hearing who the charge nurse(s) was/were on her shifts where deaths, or attempted murders, occurred - was anyone else checking Lucy's work? And what about when she did her handovers - was nothing picked up at that time?
Was Lucy stood down for a period whilst investigations were undertaken?
And if so, when she returned to work, was she 'shadowed' with (supervised by) another nurse for a period?
I'd also be interested in hearing who the charge nurse(s) was/were on her shifts where deaths, or attempted murders, occurred - was anyone else checking Lucy's work? And what about when she did her handovers - was nothing picked up at that time?
Starting to get some evidence with xrays now
Surely - surely - if a hospital is concerned that there has been malpractice, there would be processes in place to override parental wishes?
An x-ray at 5.39pm revealed a "massive amount of gas in her stomach and bowels" and her lungs appeared "squashed" and "of small volume".
The prosecution say air had been injected into the NGT to give a 'splinted diaphragm'.
When these findings were discovered did they not think a large amount of gas was strange? What would they originally have put this down to? Surely they would have immediately questioned Lucy Letby’s practice even to account for a potential mistake? There seems to be so many red flags for the hospital that something was amiss and it was ignored time and time again.
The prosecution say air had been injected into the NGT to give a 'splinted diaphragm'.
When these findings were discovered did they not think a large amount of gas was strange? What would they originally have put this down to? Surely they would have immediately questioned Lucy Letby’s practice even to account for a potential mistake? There seems to be so many red flags for the hospital that something was amiss and it was ignored time and time again.
I don't think she will be found guilty in baby H. They have no evidence other than she was there.
You would like to think, I’m not too sure how that would work
I guess two things can be true simultaneously…that the hospital is negligent and she is a killer
I agree completely and I think that’s going to be a big part of the prosecution’s case but convicting someone of murder based on coincidences isn’t likely either.
I’m sorry I’m losing track a bit now as to which letter but she wasn’t with one of the babies reported yesterday and her colleague said she had been sat with her for a length of time bwforr the attack.
I think when we heard the initial prosecution opening we thought she had been at the bedside at the time or very recently before every collapse but now it seems she was actually just “on shift” I agree it looks really suspicious but I don’t know if it will lead to a conviction
I asked the same question on the last thread; why wasn’t a thorough investigation started immediately when these incidents happened, all staff removed even, until they ascertained it wasn’t deliberate!!!! Babies being pumped with air to suffocate them, babies found profusely bleeding what the actual duck! And not one person was pulled in? No one called an immediate investigation? To me, she did it, she’s guilty, but the whole disgusting hospital is to blame for letting a killer run free like this for so long!!!!
Same with baby E. All very sketchy tbh
The large amount of gas seems to be a common theme for these poor babies. Which makes me think it is done purposely as it’s been said she was a senior nurse and even praised at times - I doubt she was incompetent at NG feeding for this to be an accident.
Not to mention doing something for “show” would be illegal. The law states everything must be necessary and proportionate - they’d have had to build a case to demonstrate how it was necessary and proportionate before commencing an activity like this.
They will have had substantial evidence and lines of enquiry to justify doing that.
My god those poor babies all 5 of my children have been premature and those nurses are angels 
my heart breaks.
What a disgusting women I 100000% believe she’s guilty. But the hospital are disgusting this should of never of gone on so long. It’s disgraceful
my heart breaks.What a disgusting women I 100000% believe she’s guilty. But the hospital are disgusting this should of never of gone on so long. It’s disgraceful
We still haven't really heard the evidence though, this is just the bare outline. They must have a whole lot more in way of records, notes etc that can back up their allegation, as I just can't see how they got this past CPS otherwise
The prosecution say that the colleague who said she had been sat with Lucy at the time of one collapse was mistaken (probably unintentionally) and they have medical records to prove it. But that will follow in the evidence bit.
What the law says and what actually happens are often very different things. With one baby I think baby I they are saying they are not even sure if LL or another nurse was with the baby while her designated nurse went off for a break?
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