Can I just add something to this.
I was also told that Carl used to disagree with some of the things she used to let the kids do, especially when they were age inappropriate.
I can imagine he was over ruled time and time again with her immortal line “they are MY kids, I’ll let them do what I like”
I do believe he tried to keep some order for them.
I honestly know this is no excuse, but I can imagine he wasn’t used to having kids around much when KP turned up and moved in with him after 5 minutes and suddenly, there are 5 to look after, one with very challenging behaviours (no wonder he didn’t want Harvey in his house smashing it up and yes, he knew she had kids) No, it also doesn’t excuse his taunting of him, (which btw they would class as banter
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) and I would hazard a guess this is how KP speaks to Harvey constantly when there aren’t cameras on them being a great muvva.
Remember, KP also had his social media passwords, so could post anything on his account, at anytime.
I think he was genuinely in love with her and thought he could help her where all the others had failed. Yet like all the others, found out the hard way, constantly being cheated on and as we know they had some explosive arguments
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He was accused of DV, KSR only had her side of the story until she got to hers that night. There were some warning shots, the coke voice note, the driving whilst banned, the affair, the SW story.
Look how KP drags her victims back in again and again, she remarried Kieran how many times? Kris B was on/off/on, same with Carl.
Having never been in a narcissistic relationship or a controlling relationship, I’m not best placed to comment on what he was probably made to go along with. Look how she has treated every single one of her relationships so far, always been drama, every single one. She is the common denominator.
Everyone is going to have THEIR opinion on here, doesn’t make it right or wrong in everyone’s eyes, most of you have had life experiences I could never imagine and are still here to share your stories. I have truly learned so much from people on here, the knowledge and have often been in tears hearing those stories of abuse and pain you’ve been through, but that you are brave enough to share with a group of relative strangers.
The main goal is for those 2 children to be reunited with Kieran and to start rebuilding a safe and loving relationship. And all being well that will be soon
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(even though you never know what the judges will order next to happen in this process and this is why the family court can take so long and be expensive, as having a barrister there is invaluable). They must always be seen to be giving a fair trial to both parties. Remember, the outcome of the hearing will be confidential, any party disclosing it, could be held in contempt of court, so there will be limited information that can be said.
(Again, if you can promote the GFM anywhere, that would be appreciated, I know some of you don’t agree with it and that’s your prerogative, but thank you again for all your support)
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