I’ve never thought about it that way before (people not short of money using Patreon) I only heard of it a few months ago as I follow Dawn O’Porter on Instagram who charges £4 a month maximum on her Patreon. I guess for the price of a magazine it’s not so bad. £80 (isn’t that what Jack charges?) to be her recipe tester is a pisstake in the extreme. I’m a tightwad though and even £4 is more than I’d commit to anything.I think if Jack actually produced meaningful content through her Patreon (e.g three exclusive recipes a month or whatever) I would be fine with it. But she seems to add no value through it at all? She hasnt updated it in 2 years! Patreon should not be used as a begging bowl imho. Nothing wrong with genuinely poor people using Patreon/Venmo/PayPal for just donations but not when youre securing 5 figure brand deals.
What meat alternatives do you like? I have one of the BOSH books because I wanted a book that didn’t rely on loads of faux meat but fuck me, everything is made with mushrooms and I can’t stand the sluggy thingsVegetarian who eats very little dairy here, when my Mum declared we were going vegetarian in the 80’s we used to have Sosmix, if anyone remembers that? I’m the only one still veggie in my family now but I hate the texture of meat so my faux meat products need to as non real meat like as possible. I’ve noticed there are so many meat free products now that just cater for people who want to eat less meat and so are very ‘meaty’ in look and texture, it makes me want to hurl just looking at them
Anyway, back to Jack...
So pleased you went out today xGood evening Cabal.
I've finally been allowed out of my shielding and went to....B AND Q!!!! I know, you're all jealousThis really is a new world for me. Nearly 14 weeks in my house and I actually put shoes on today!!! The weird queuing and seeing people at a distance will grow on me I suppose....
Anyhoo, because of my exciting outing (I was as excited as i was when i went to Disneyland) I've had an afternoon of catching up on here and 2 things stick out for me ..
First, I really need to see Midsommar. I was in 2 minds but you've all convinced me. Is it on Netflix?
Secondly..Celebrity get me out of here.. JM wouldn't last a week. Apologies for the name drop, but I know Michael Beurk. Only through work, he does a lot of corporate videos and appearances. I have to arrange/set up events for my employer so deal with 'famous' people and their agents (i admit I'm stretching the word famous....)
Mr Beurk is actually really lovely. Very professional but very approachable. My boss once very embarrassingly asked about 'I'm a celebrity'
He didn't hold back...let rip about Edwina Currie 'complete cunt' the food 'i prayed for dysentry' the thing he said the most awful was how boring it all was. He nearly walked out several times because of the boredom. He said that his fee went mostly to the taxman and the rest on new windows for his house.
Can you imagine JM in the jungle? She'd whinge and bitch and fuck up the food. If the boredom is that bad, can you imagine being stuck with someone like her. Ugh.
Also, whatever pennies she got (i doubt she'd get a very high fee) would (as above mentioned) mostly go to the taxman. Bet she'd still have a tip jar...
I know it’s OT but I’m loving this film chatOh yes, it’s amazing and quite exhausting to watch. That’s so funny you were cornered into a major discussionThe staff member probably clocked you the second time and thought, right - there’s someone to have a back and forth with!
So my partner subsribes to a musician's Patreon and he gets access to exclusive music videos and songs - to me that's what a Patreon should be for! Paying for a service of someone you want to support. Not just a begging bowl!I’ve never thought about it that way before (people not short of money using Patreon) I only heard of it a few months ago as I follow Dawn O’Porter on Instagram who charges £4 a month maximum on her Patreon. I guess for the price of a magazine it’s not so bad. £80 (isn’t that what Jack charges?) to be her recipe tester is a pisstake
What meat alternatives do you like? I have one of the BOSH books because I wanted a book that didn’t rely on loads of faux meat but fuck me, everything is made with mushrooms and I can’t stand the sluggy things
He’s so good, also isn’t it insane how much he looks like the spitting image of both of his parents?! Like if you had to guess who they were it’d be easyThat Man’s son Is obviously quite passionate about food. You can he was brought up learning about flavours and fresh ingredients. And he’s a decent presenter too!
Midsommar is on prime if you have it. I really love Florence Pugh (who’s also in the new Little Women) which I also liked.Good evening Cabal.
I've finally been allowed out of my shielding and went to....B AND Q!!!! I know, you're all jealousThis really is a new world for me. Nearly 14 weeks in my house and I actually put shoes on today!!! The weird queuing and seeing people at a distance will grow on me I suppose....
Anyhoo, because of my exciting outing (I was as excited as i was when i went to Disneyland) I've had an afternoon of catching up on here and 2 things stick out for me ..
First, I really need to see Midsommar. I was in 2 minds but you've all convinced me. Is it on Netflix?
Secondly..Celebrity get me out of here.. JM wouldn't last a week. Apologies for the name drop, but I know Michael Beurk. Only through work, he does a lot of corporate videos and appearances. I have to arrange/set up events for my employer so deal with 'famous' people and their agents (i admit I'm stretching the word famous....)
Mr Beurk is actually really lovely. Very professional but very approachable. My boss once very embarrassingly asked about 'I'm a celebrity'
He didn't hold back...let rip about Edwina Currie 'complete cunt' the food 'i prayed for dysentry' the thing he said the most awful was how boring it all was. He nearly walked out several times because of the boredom. He said that his fee went mostly to the taxman and the rest on new windows for his house.
Can you imagine JM in the jungle? She'd whinge and bitch and fuck up the food. If the boredom is that bad, can you imagine being stuck with someone like her. Ugh.
Also, whatever pennies she got (i doubt she'd get a very high fee) would (as above mentioned) mostly go to the taxman. Bet she'd still have a tip jar...
This is what I've been trying to say about her for many threads but you've put it better! She has been poor and in poverty. She isn't now. I'm so sick of the I'm still poor, living pay check to pay check with the worry of where my next job is coming from. You know what Jack, so are lots of us! Fixed term contracts, the car breaking or the roof leaking are worries lots of us live with. I'm not poor but I'm not rich. I have to budget and have very very little disposable income. I have a mortgage (fancy) but I was in a position to get it and it's cheaper than renting. But I live in a TINY house not in the area I'd like to live because I can't afford it-rented or mortgage. I don't have the luxury of paying myself the living wage because actually, I couldn't afford to live on it. Unless I was working 27 hours a day. And I would wager that every one of Jack's cooking peers put out free content because that's how they increase their engagement and sell their books. JO has been brilliant in this recently and his website is amazing. Where are all these recipes that Jack creates? Surely not all will go in a book so why not put some on the site. They never materialise. What about some guest recipes from cooks like Alexis? I'm so sick of the poor bellyaching. Who else in the public eye constantly tells you how poor they are or what shit book deals they've got? It's embarrassing. I've said it before but she could do so much good with moving on from it and accepting that she's no longer in that place but she can still stay true to her cause and beliefs. And if what she's doing doesn't pay the bills, find another job. That's what everyone else does.Sorry if I sound harsh here. But if she got a 5 figure sum for the Hellmans gig and very well paid for the daily kitchen gig. Why is she still taking money from her fans? I actually couldn’t believe it when she started selling pictures on twitter. She’s got a decent amount of money salted away clearly. If she ever fell on hard times she would need to do what other people do in these cases. Claim universal credit. If she wants to keep her website going then she should pay for it herself.
There are a few people who have made thousands and more on twitter. Some by pleading poverty. It’s wrong. She’s not poor, nowhere near it. She was poor ten years ago and yes being in poverty leaves you with a feeling that you don’t want to go back there. But it’s not up to her fans to pay her bills.
And the I’ve done loads of stuff for free line doesn’t wash with me either. I know lots of people who have.
It’s absolutely obscene to be paid five figure sums for a few weeks work. More than some people live on in a year (me included) and still expect fans to subsidise you.
Yeah, im allergic to mushrooms - we are baaaaaad vegetariansI’ve never thought about it that way before (people not short of money using Patreon) I only heard of it a few months ago as I follow Dawn O’Porter on Instagram who charges £4 a month maximum on her Patreon. I guess for the price of a magazine it’s not so bad. £80 (isn’t that what Jack charges?) to be her recipe tester is a pisstake in the extreme. I’m a tightwad though and even £4 is more than I’d commit to anything.
What meat alternatives do you like? I have one of the BOSH books because I wanted a book that didn’t rely on loads of faux meat but fuck me, everything is made with mushrooms and I can’t stand the sluggy things
Someone said they feel a bit iffy about celebs children on tv and I agree but I do love Buddy. I thought he was great on the JO programme when he was helping out. I think he has a real interest in food and cooking and it's lovely to see. He looks so happy and confident. And yes, it's so strange how he looks so similar to both his parents!He’s so good, also isn’t it insane how much he looks like the spitting image of both of his parents?! Like if you had to guess who they were it’d be easy
We’re veggies too, but hardly ever use any meat alternatives as don’t like if they’re too meaty in taste and texture! Do eat a fair bit of tofu though and sometimes Quorn mince with tomatoes for pasta if I feel lazy. But mostly, I just cook up a shit load of veggies and have it with alternating grains and pastas and beansYeah, im allergic to mushrooms - we are baaaaaad vegetariansI have that book too and I’m disappointed in it to be honest, it’s not as good as I hoped it would be. I use a lot of Quorn mince and some of their other products, Tesco have some good meat alternatives that don’t taste like meat. I mostly cook from scratch and use other protein sources along with the obligatory vegetables. It’s a hell of a lot easier now than it was even a decade ago though eh. I just wish restaurants and other eateries would stop being lazy and think up other suitable vegetarian food than using mushrooms. Use your imagination guys!
I agree with you about the “meaty “ look. I don’t understand why you would want to eat something which looks like meat. You can buy vegi burgers which contain beetroot to replicate bloodVegetarian who eats very little dairy here, when my Mum declared we were going vegetarian in the 80’s we used to have Sosmix, if anyone remembers that? I’m the only one still veggie in my family now but I hate the texture of meat so my faux meat products need to as non real meat like as possible. I’ve noticed there are so many meat free products now that just cater for people who want to eat less meat and so are very ‘meaty’ in look and texture, it makes me want to hurl just looking at them
Anyway, back to Jack...
Blergh no thanks. Give me a vegetable burger made from actual vegetables any dayI agree with you about the “meaty “ look. I don’t understand why you would want to eat something which looks like meat. You can buy vegi burgers which contain beetroot to replicate blood
Tyrannosaur is an amazing film and brilliantly acted, but I’d never be able to watch it again.I know it’s OT but I’m loving this film chat
‘mother!’ fucked me up good’n’proper. I still don’t know what I think of it. I’m pretty hard to disturb, film-wise, and that left me gasping. The ending made me feel like I’d been punched in the gut. Violent, obscene, upsetting. And tough to swallow as, while it was extreme and had broader themes, that whole feminine energy and submission touched a ‘you must be nice to people, even when they’re making you uncomfortable’ nerve.
While we’re talking about things that make you go ‘hmm’, the talk of ‘Dead Man’s Shoes’ made me think of Paddy Considine. ‘Tyrannosaur’ still leaves me breathless and while not a horror, stayed with me for a bloody long time. Recommended, but not for a sad day. For a resilient day.
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