Jack Monroe #163 Not saying anything new

[DisgruntledGoat]

I wish I could believe her but even just skimming the thread set two alarm bells off - the withdrawing money to explain her debt (excusing the visible profligate spending) to underpin more tip jar rattling, and the moving back in with her parents after the fire service. That’s the house share with five people, isn’t it? So in telling her (horribly triggering) tale she’s exposed a lie that has been a lynchpin of her poverty tale about moving repeatedly and having nothing.

I believe that she had a creepy teacher and I’m sorry for what she experienced. I also know how useless the police are in these cases but then again, so would Jack, whether first hand or not, because she likes to cherry pick elements of her tales. But she is also dating the C4 news editor who is privy to information on cases and she’s so desperate to insert herself into any issue that I think she’s carefully crafted this to align with the story as it develops.

All women suffer at the hands of men and I’ve always believed them. I’ve had my own experiences doubted and diminished. But it’s just too convenient that a known liar should now come out with all of this, after a year of posting her inside locks, garden, exact location and delighting in stranger neighbour doorstep soap. Not the actions of someone who was stalked for years, I’m sorry. Nor is her historical Instagram habit of documenting every single house move with very visible views from windows. I hate myself for disbelieving her but here we are.

 

[Oxford_Girl]

This would be something to explore with a counselor with proper support. Repressed memories are a real thing but the mind can play tricks too. Love to you.

Thank you xx

I’m okay it’s was the shock the first time the image appeared it doesn’t impact my daily life

I have no idea about going further with it I am lucky I have pretty good MH for the most part so just wondering if this is possibly a real memory and if it is I’m pondering the benefit of looking into it with a counselor xx

I'm so sorry, @Oxford_Girl. I think that your brain can shut down to protect you and that some unconscious triggers can activate a memory.
There are a couple of smells (a certain aftershave and some gloss paints) that do the same to me.
Jack should be more careful with her words x

I’m okay just curious at this point as to any truth in the image xx

 

[Harrybosch]

Darling Canal

how likely is it that a young child 6/7 would not remember abuse?

A few years ago I was driving and a story came on R4 and it triggered a vivid memory image and I nearly crashed the car

I don’t know if this image is real it involved an adult family member the image is not abuse but is certainly inappropriate at best

I am estranged from my family for other reasons

Jack’s post had triggered the image again

I can remember nothing of what happened before or after the visual
Any thoughts?

This is unfortunately fairly common for people who have experienced SA at a young age. What is no longer deemed necessary is to unearth all these memories in therapy (unless that's what you want to do). If you also suffer from anxiety, depression, panic attacks or feelings of rage it may be linked to those experiences. I strongly encourage you to see if you can find trauma therapy.

 

[colouredlines]

This is not the same person - in this screenshot she's talking about her secondary school. Her flippancy was shocking at the time. It's even more shocking now (see also the address issue, as discussed extensively on this thread).

 

[Begborrowsteal]

Thank you xx

I’m okay it’s was the shock the first time the image appeared it doesn’t impact my daily life

I have no idea about going further with it I am lucky I have pretty good MH for the most part so just wondering if this is possibly a real memory and if it is I’m pondering the benefit of looking into it with a counselor xx


I’m okay just curious at this point as to any truth in the image xx

I have a flashback that comes and goes and I cant work out if its real or not. It scares me tbh, Ive told myself my brain has blocked out a lot of my younger years for a reason and I dont want to open that box. But, i dont have good MH generally! Im lucky to get to a stable place lol

 

[Harrybosch]

surely her parents would have known something especially in her teenage years?? I know if that happened to me, my father, extended family members and the community I grew up in would have done something about it. I am not doubting her story completely but it sounds really quite embellished.

This is a very common misconception. Kids and teenagers are VERY good at hiding abuse. I have two loving parents who had no idea what was happening to me (they still don't). My trauma counsellor who pretty much only sees adults who have experienced child SA said this is exremley common and it doesn't help that people think family member MUST have known.

 

[colouredlines]

By the way - a few people have said they have problems with the spoiler tag. Here it is:

If you can't get it to work, first check that cog button on the far right of the bar. When the cog is orange, you can't put spoilers, gifs etc. Press the cog and it will turn black. Then you can make spoilers.

 

[I steal names]

By the way - a few people have said they have problems with the spoiler tag. Here it is:

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If you can't get it to work, first check that cog button on the far right of the bar. When the cog is orange, you can't put spoilers, gifs etc. Press the cog and it will turn black. Then you can make spoilers.

Thank you! The cog was orange on mine. Glad to have it sorted now.

 

[Readingismyhobby]

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This is not the same person - in this screenshot she's talking about her secondary school. Her flippancy was shocking at the time. It's even more shocking now (see also the address issue, as discussed extensively on this thread).

She seems to have a problem with teachers. The “primary school “ one, the supposed comments about burger flipping, being expelled (can’t remember any more).

 

[Orphan_Black]

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This is not the same person - in this screenshot she's talking about her secondary school. Her flippancy was shocking at the time. It's even more shocking now (see also the address issue, as discussed extensively on this thread).

She has an anti-man agenda for sure, long before Sarah's murder case.

Again, only questioning the validity, not outright disbelieving her, but, she has had so many traumatic events in her life if you laid out her various recorded timelines out. More than most experience in a lifetime. It can happen, yes, but as she has been shown to be a liar in some respects, it so hard to believe anything fully now.

This honestly feels like a PR stunt in the sickest way possible. I wholeheartedly believe people should have a safe space to talk about past traumas, to both relieve themselves and offer help and support to those who are experiencing the same. Yet, Jack's offerings are feeling very selfish, as others have pointed out, Jack has a very narc personality. She has tried to steer a narrative that only had tenuous links to herself to become 'her story'. I don't like this. It's one big emotional dump.

I dunno why it's peeved me off so much. I want to believe any victim's story to the letter. But, I just can't with her story, it's disingenuous and I can't put my finger on why. It's making me feel like a bastard for picking holes and questioning her intentions.

 

[PoorPatrol]

This is awful. I want to believe her. I really do. She needs help and therapy, either way, and she needs to put things like that behind a trigger warning.

I doubt her because she’s a proven liar, and she has made very little attempt to hide her location, her identity, her movements, and private details about her son. I know where she lives, her son’s full name and date of birth, when she’s alone, where her parents live - all because of the tit she spouts on Twitter. Obviously I have no intention of doing anything with that information, but wouldn’t someone with that horrendous experience keep that info more private?

We are even wary of putting too much info on here, despite not actually having any identifiable info in our profiles.

She also inserts herself into every big media storm, by shape shifting and aligning her experiences with whatever people are talking about at the time. She does everything she can to make sure her name and face is everywhere. It makes no sense.

If it is true, she needs specific counselling and support. Twitter isn’t the place, and it’s not fair on the people who follow her for recipes getting that on their feed first thing on a Saturday morning. It is extremely upsetting and triggering, and should be treated more sensitively.

I can’t even imagine what the replies will look like. Sarah Everard has lost her life, her parents and loved ones will be sick with shock right now. This isn’t Jack time. I’m sorry if that sounds harsh, and I do think this is the right time to highlight the very real issues of violence against women. But it’s not the time for very public oneupmanship in the trauma stakes.

 

[Toffee finger]

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This is not the same person - in this screenshot she's talking about her secondary school. Her flippancy was shocking at the time. It's even more shocking now (see also the address issue, as discussed extensively on this thread).

I hate this tweet so much. She’s on twitter enough to know the outrage around people using the phrase

Spoiler

child porn

 

[Harrybosch]

I'm going to log off in a minute, because this tit is triggering as duck. But please, for people who do not have experience with child SA, could you bear the following in mind before posting:

• kids are great at hiding stuff and lying about abuse
• kids (and their adult selves) are great at lying to themselves about the abuse that happened
• stories of abused adults often don't add up (i.e. I did this because of X, when actually, they did this because of the abuse that happend)
• as a child SA victim, this story rings absolutely true to me. I know she lies all the time, I get why you may question her, but I think in this one instance, you questioning her credibility may genuinely cause harm to other SA victims.

Love to all dear hearts who need it today.

 

[Malkiavelli]

surely her parents would have known something especially in her teenage years?? I know if that happened to me, my father, extended family members and the community I grew up in would have done something about it. I am not doubting her story completely but it sounds really quite embellished.

Was wondering this myself but didn't really, fully understand the story. When is she claiming that she was first stalked - is she claiming that it started when she was a child and her parents didn't know? And when did she contact the police, as a child and if so, her parents still didn't know?.. Genuine questions..

 

[Readingismyhobby]

There is an old Woody Alan film called “Zelig” Zelig is a human chameleon who inserts himself into different situations. Remind you of anyone?

 

[MaineCoonMama]

Sorry to bring this up but if she's had witnesses ie the very big very burly men who saw off the stalker, would they not corroborate her story?

 

[Begborrowsteal]

I hate this tweet so much. She’s on twitter enough to know the outrage around people using the phrase

Spoiler

child porn

Fucks me off. Its not a kink. Its illegal and its abuse. Label it what it is.

 

[Orphan_Black]

Was wondering this myself but didn't really, fully understand the story. When is she claiming that she was first stalked - is she claiming that it started when she was a child and her parents didn't know? And when did she contact the police, as a child and if so, her parents still didn't know?.. Genuine questions..

She also states the stalking affected her role at the fire service, she would have been pregnant/SB very young at that point. No mention of him in the story?

 

[CabalofBolorneaise]

surely her parents would have known something especially in her teenage years?? I know if that happened to me, my father, extended family members and the community I grew up in would have done something about it. I am not doubting her story completely but it sounds really quite embellished.

I believe her.

Her parents and family likely wouldn’t have known, and even if they had they have never seemed to step in when she has clearly been unwell and causing chaoses on twitter that seem to be cries for help.

She doesn’t also seem to have any form of actual support network at all in real life. So it makes sense to me she’d turn to twitter. I agree it’s triggering, I don’t want to my experiences but a lot of people had already been sharing their own stories before she jumped on that I was finding difficult, and so maybe I’m projecting onto Jack too much but I wonder if she’s also found all of that very hard to read and that’s why she’s ended up turning to her only real support network - the Squigs.

I really hope if she has anything about her, and they’re in the claimed relationship, L helps her now.

ETA: and her agent should absolutely step in. She surely has some sort of responsibility to help and protect her client.

 

[MancBee]

Also that she took out credit cards so she could leave cash under this man's window wipers.

This is where the police could, and would have taken action. As I said about my experience, parking outside her home, following her to work, going into her place of work, all are not illegal and the police are unable to do anything other than suggest injunctions.

Extorting money from anyone would definitely be actionable. There would be evidence of her taking money out of her account, and if it is true, there would be evidence of him contacting her to ask for the money. Unless she just means that she took it on herself to attempt to use money to buy him off.

We will never know the truth of the story. I just hate the way she pushes herself forward, centering herself in whatever is the current topic. Any and every topic. People do live very eventful lives, I include myself in that, it seems impossible that so many things happen to one person, but they do. What is not OK is to attempt to take the public and media attention away from the news of the day and get it to focus on you.