Hail, Sir Lancelot, and welcome to the other best thread on Tattle! (I lurk on the other thread when I can).
Regarding the sealing of the proceedings from the upcoming hearing, no one has filed a petition to have those sealed yet.
Ioan Gruffudd & Alice Evans #225 Narcissistic abuser, but make it fashion.
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Regarding the sealing of the proceedings from the upcoming hearing, no one has filed a petition to have those sealed yet.
Derek Chauvin too he’s a murderer. if Alice brother feels sorry for him then he’s a wrong un..
I'm not a fan of the celeb death thread, but bookies are literally offering odds on celeb deaths. That's just what you have to deal with it. The world is not like Alice's groupies imagine it: celebs are very privileged and powerful in their position, and these kind of things are the side effects.
Did you vote you don’t like dick?
This stan must be confused. She's supposed to be bitching about Tattle, not Alice's life. 
Another page from Alice's playbook.
Another page from Alice's playbook.
Sure
Specifying your time zone is not at all suspicious
These folks are clearly addlepated and quite obsessed (and have a lot of free time on their hands); let's not give them the attention that they so desperately crave.This stan must be confused. She's supposed to be bitching about Tattle, not Alice's life.
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I have to say, I am hugely amused how Alice bleeping Evans is spreading between tattle threads. I always called her this on the celeb death pool, and have now seen it on 3 or 4 other threads. My work is complete. There you go Tony McLonley, you can quote me again. Or screenshat. Y’know, whatever.
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also, I love you @HiraethHail, Sir Lancelot, and welcome to the other best thread on Tattle! (I lurk on the other thread when I can).
Regarding the sealing of the proceedings from the upcoming hearing, no one has filed a petition to have those sealed yet.
In reference to the earlier comments about Al's bio. The only other person I've ever seen do this kind of public I love my child more than life itself posts, is another narc. I sometimes wonder if her son has any idea how deranged she is.
We haven't had any "unsolicited sham legal opinions" 
in a while, so, given the upcoming custody trial, here’s an interesting tidbit.
Every week I have to check the new and amended bills that are being released each week in the California state government for a committee I’m on. Today, one proposed bill was suggesting changes to a certain law in the Family Code, and it included a summary of factors that are considered by the court when determining child custody. Here’s the passage:
“Existing law establishes a rebuttable presumption that an award of sole or joint physical or legal custody of a child to a person who has perpetrated domestic violence is detrimental to the best interest of a child and establishes factors to be considered in rebutting that presumption, including that the perpetrator is restrained by a domestic violence prevention order and has, or has not, complied with that order.” (bold text added by me)
In English, this means that, legally, awarding sole or joint legal or physical custody of a child to a perpetrator of domestic violence is presumed to be detrimental to that child, and this is a factor the court will consider when determining custody. However, the parent who has committed domestic violence is able to overcome this presumption in court (this is what is meant by “rebuttable presumption”) by giving evidence regarding certain factors to be considered, which may defeat the presumption. Unfortunately for Alice, two of the factors used to rebut the presumption are: (i) whether she is restrained by a domestic violence prevention order (she is); and (ii) whether she has complied with that domestic violence prevention order (she hasn’t).
in a while, so, given the upcoming custody trial, here’s an interesting tidbit. Every week I have to check the new and amended bills that are being released each week in the California state government for a committee I’m on. Today, one proposed bill was suggesting changes to a certain law in the Family Code, and it included a summary of factors that are considered by the court when determining child custody. Here’s the passage:
“Existing law establishes a rebuttable presumption that an award of sole or joint physical or legal custody of a child to a person who has perpetrated domestic violence is detrimental to the best interest of a child and establishes factors to be considered in rebutting that presumption, including that the perpetrator is restrained by a domestic violence prevention order and has, or has not, complied with that order.” (bold text added by me)
In English, this means that, legally, awarding sole or joint legal or physical custody of a child to a perpetrator of domestic violence is presumed to be detrimental to that child, and this is a factor the court will consider when determining custody. However, the parent who has committed domestic violence is able to overcome this presumption in court (this is what is meant by “rebuttable presumption”) by giving evidence regarding certain factors to be considered, which may defeat the presumption. Unfortunately for Alice, two of the factors used to rebut the presumption are: (i) whether she is restrained by a domestic violence prevention order (she is); and (ii) whether she has complied with that domestic violence prevention order (she hasn’t).
Thanks for this. It would be detrimental for the kids to get anything other than supervised visitation with mAlice. How it will work out in practice remains to be seen as they are a danger to I and B. I really hope she loses custody - screenshat this "Tone"We haven't had any "unsolicited sham legal opinions"
Every week I have to check the new and amended bills that are being released each week in the California state government for a committee I’m on. Today, one proposed bill was suggesting changes to a certain law in the Family Code, and it included a summary of factors that are considered by the court when determining child custody. Here’s the passage:
“Existing law establishes a rebuttable presumption that an award of sole or joint physical or legal custody of a child to a person who has perpetrated domestic violence is detrimental to the best interest of a child and establishes factors to be considered in rebutting that presumption, including that the perpetrator is restrained by a domestic violence prevention order and has, or has not, complied with that order.” (bold text added by me)
In English, this means that, legally, awarding sole or joint legal or physical custody of a child to a perpetrator of domestic violence is presumed to be detrimental to that child, and this is a factor the court will consider when determining custody. However, the parent who has committed domestic violence is able to overcome this presumption in court (this is what is meant by “rebuttable presumption”) by giving evidence regarding certain factors to be considered, which may defeat the presumption. Unfortunately for Alice, two of the factors used to rebut the presumption are: (i) whether she is restrained by a domestic violence prevention order (she is); and (ii) whether she has complied with that domestic violence prevention order (she hasn’t).
I love that we are still using screenshat here. I remember being on holidays when it first appeared here and I was laughing so much while I had a cough and went into such a laughing/coughing fit that people around the pool thought I may have been dying
had to reassure those closest to me that I didn’t have Covid. Ah Tone… the idiot gift that keeps on giving Reiterating @Bridgeofsighs' post from earlier, here is a chart from the court's attorney portal showing the upcoming court conferences and custody trial.
But just don't put bloody cats on the list! Sir Lancelot will do his nut!
This is the challenge isn’t it. I hope the girls have been open and honest in evaluations and therapy and that they feel they can trust and speak to those evaluating them so an accurate and truthful picture is presented rather than them Being schooled by Alice in their answers (I’m sure Dupee sees this all the time and knows how to get to the truth).Thanks for this. It would be detrimental for the kids to get anything other than supervised visitation with mAlice. How it will work out in practice remains to be seen as they are a danger to I and B. I really hope she loses custody - screenshat this "Tone"
I hope then, that the therapy and evaluation has started to show the girls that their father isn’t the devil, that he loves them and misses them and wants to be in their lives. As I’m sure deep down they miss him too (but are likely to afraid to express that in front of Alice)
only then can there be a way of allowing the girls to be with I & B without it being a tinder box waiting to go up
Popping in to agree and to say the DSM is very influenced by pharmaceutically-defined concepts too, and some existing disorders in it are ridiculous. For example things like ‘Oppositional defiant disorder’ which is a completely nebulous concept which mainly just stigmatises traumatised kids who are acting out. It can also be dangerous and influence medical professionals to merely drug them into submission rather than to listen and understand that their actions might be a needed coping strategy, or logical response to their experiences.Looking at the ICD11 classification and description for CPTSD and how it fits alongside PTSD, it looks short but clear. For diagnosis, I would always have a preference for ICD/WHO over DSM/APA. Not ragging on the Americans here, but DSM just seems like an immovable beast sometimes. DSM I gather does look to ICD to some extent at least so I suspect CPTSD will end up there too.
Al and her 'fans' just better get used to it, Bee will not disappear to please them. It would help if they just stopped stalking Bee's accounts
For example the board claimed a while back that there is no evidence that childhood trauma can cause symptoms later in life, which just seems ridiculous to me. (The psychiatrist and PTSD specialist Dr Bessel Van Der Kolk had a long and fruitless battle attempting to convince them otherwise).
At one point it also listed homosexuality as a disorder so it’s certainly neither infallible nor accurate!
Re: Alice, despite her awful behaviour I’m not convinced it’s true that everything she has is made up, and it’s not as easy as one might think to get any form of diagnosis. People can be jerks and have experienced trauma in early life and/or have real undiagnosed conditions; the two things aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.
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I don’t think it really matters if the children provide distorted versions of events. Any evaluator worth their salt will triangulate with other sources of information. The fact that they are being fed lies is the problem. The evaluator won’t challenge their statements but will gently probe and use other forms of questions to get to see things how they are. Things are likely to be very mixed up in their minds. That’s a red flag and something that needs to be uncovered.
It’s hard for most people to lie because we don’t like doing it and aren’t used to doing it. If the children lie blatantly that is another’sbig red flag.
Children tend to believe what their parents tell them. They believe in their family and they don’t question their normalcy. So even if they see their friends living differently they won’t see how they live as being wrong. Unpicking that and opening up their perspective won’t happen in a few months. They will be defensive because this is them and their belief system. Ironically they will also be candid because they don’t see it as wrong. A bit like Alice who often fumbles because she doesn’t see how fucked up her behaviour really is.
If Alice has filled their heads with lies and endorsed bad behaviour it will show up. The evaluator wont challenge parroting of Alice’s bullshit and shitshow lifestyle because this isn’t therapy. And even in therapy this won’t happen overnight. Personally I can see the report identifying two very mixed up and traumatised kids who don’t know that they are. Plus one very abusive, coercive and manipulative mother who did this all deliberately and with intent.
I agree. Just because someone's not a good person, doesn't mean they can't be suffering from bad health.
I do think Alice has several disorders, and I wish she would seek help for them (particularly an ADHD assessment, because if she's diagnosed and receives treatment, it could change her life).
I also think she has physical health conditions, but also that she doesn't do everything she could to help them (e.g. she drinks alcohol and stays up until the early morning on the internet).
I also think she must have had a challenging or abnormal childhood for her to behave like this now. The issue is that she doesn't want to change, as she doesn't think anything is wrong with her, and she thinks everything is always someone else's fault. She never takes the time to reflect on her behaviour and think that she could be the one at fault. Unless she does this, she will never move forward and make progress.
Alice has abused her body for long enough and is old enough to have regular body pain and some mild aliments. I do strongly believe she makes up illnesses for herself and her children though.
Illness gives her attention and pity.
she craves it so much she even grief thieves. It’s like she thrives among her own and others pain and anguish.
One of the more mind blowing things Alice has done was when she posted about 7 deaths to her Instagram over the course of a month or 2. She was fixating on peoples suffering.
Illness gives her attention and pity.
she craves it so much she even grief thieves. It’s like she thrives among her own and others pain and anguish.
One of the more mind blowing things Alice has done was when she posted about 7 deaths to her Instagram over the course of a month or 2. She was fixating on peoples suffering.
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