Ioan Gruffudd & Alice Evans #186 It has always been a dump smell!

[M33L4]

Yo trying to get free finally

Good for him! I hope to see more of this stronger Ioan.

 

[sh1tsandgiggles]

First time posting here. I had heard of IG though not aware of his personal life and not a follower or fan. I took notice of this not-so-conscious uncoupling due to the press attention. I think I'm in a tiny if existent minority who feels some sympathy or empathy for AE. I thought I might post some thoughts here with reasoning. I scrolled through AE's instagram before posting here. What struck me was how happy the family seemed and how it seemed to me that IG and AE loved one another. I don't think that you can pretend for 21 years. Although I don't believe anyone should be forced to stay in a relationship they don't want to be in, it is not so long ago that 'no cause' divorce didn't exist. Divorce is now a contract which you are signing (a supposed commitment for lifetime - unless you stipulate otherwise I guess), and which there are no exit fees. I don't think it's that fair. Why shouldn't the person who wants to exit the contract pay as a consequence? I doubt there's many business partner contracts which allow for one to exit without considering the effects on the remaining partner.

I just wondered if Ioan couldn't have tried to make some acknowledgements. Like, ofc I loved you, I still do (if he does), but feel we are better off apart. It also doesn't seem very, idk, helpful? fair? kind? to have been completely quiet about all the pain he was in, if that's what he is now saying. Telling your wife how much you love them, and how wonderful they are, to suddenly returning from a trip and being 'cold' does smack of an affair to me. Don't many therapists and women say that a lot of men don't ever leave until they have a new woman lined up? I think that may be the case here.

In one of AE's instagram posts IG is singing. He has a really great voice and honestly I think he could make music and it'd sell. In another post AE has drawn a sketch of their daughters. It's really good too. AE speaks a number of languages, and in the youtubes I've seen of her speaking French, she has a great voice. Personally, I find quite a few of her humerous posts funny. She is often self-deprecating, talking about fine hair, or joking about her enhanced mouth. In an interview about Harvey Weinstein she came across as insightful and honest.

It's a real shame to see how things have gone. I've been in relationships where the men have lied. The lying actually hurt me almost as much as the cheating ('it's not the crime it's the cover-up). One relationship was with a man I believe would be assessed as having NPD. I had never heard of this until afterwards in therapy. I've seen in many posts here that it doesn't matter if IG was cheating. It's not illegal and so on. I just wondered if anyone else felt that it would be important to them to know the truth and for their partners/spouse's to tell them the truth. Including what happened and when.

I just don't see this evil horror who made IG's life hell (he was away a lot of the time surely?). In so many posts AE is complimenting him and saying how lucky she is etc. Whilst at times putting herself down. It seems a bit more like she was a bit insecure, rather than she was full of confidence, in control, bossing him. I can't recall whether in court docs or here but didn't she say he said 'I didn't sign up for this' about her fibromyalgia? What if that's true? What if AE does have poor health? No spouse has to tolerate things they don't like, especially with no fault divorces now common. But maybe IG struggles with admitting to himself or others that his reasons are things like 'intolerance' or 'boredom', or 'feeling like starting over and wanting to have young kids again'. Idk, I would find it incredibly difficult to interact with the person who I thought had lied to me possibly for years or who was exploiting that men can 'start over' in their 50's, 60's and 79 for Robert De Niro.

You picked a shit day to have an unpopular (poorly researched) opinion sugar. Go read the wiki.

 

[ButterTart]

Why are you more concerned about whether there might or might not have been an affair than the actual pages and pages of proven abuse? Stop looking for reasons to justify how she has acted. She’s an mean slovenly cunt of a woman who deserves to spend her life alone for what she has put her children through.
Even if he was ‘flirting’ with BW.
She didn’t just abuse him when he left, it went in and on for months. Him and everyone around him. Go start your own rave thread with the halfwit brother, the NZ danger and the fucking mad texan.
And just in case we have indeed had a visit from Mad Regina Alice or one of her abuse apologists,

With absolutely no respect, FUCK OFF back to your sewer, we have a divorce to celebrate and a wedding to prepare for, and you are ruining our vibe.

She isn’t ruining our vibe. It’s kind of amusing, watching someone twist into pretzels to justify abuse. Murderers should try this angle: but your honour, I’m fully justified in having offed them. My feelings were hurt!

 

[Ametrine]

It's me. I think 8 months. The lawyer wants to drag it out for money and Alice wants to drag it out for Alice.

You fell into my trap FUCKO, I set the poll up specifically to catch Alice's Tattle account out!!!

Only she would choose "over eight months". Henceforth you are now banned from Tattle.

(Not really - all poll responses are anonymous)

 

[Diamonds60]

We have an over 8 months vote,
SHOW YOURSELVES, WHO ARE YOU!!

 

[House of Tea]

First time posting here. I had heard of IG though not aware of his personal life and not a follower or fan. I took notice of this not-so-conscious uncoupling due to the press attention. I think I'm in a tiny if existent minority who feels some sympathy or empathy for AE. I thought I might post some thoughts here with reasoning. I scrolled through AE's instagram before posting here. What struck me was how happy the family seemed and how it seemed to me that IG and AE loved one another. I don't think that you can pretend for 21 years. Although I don't believe anyone should be forced to stay in a relationship they don't want to be in, it is not so long ago that 'no cause' divorce didn't exist. Divorce is now a contract which you are signing (a supposed commitment for lifetime - unless you stipulate otherwise I guess), and which there are no exit fees. I don't think it's that fair. Why shouldn't the person who wants to exit the contract pay as a consequence? I doubt there's many business partner contracts which allow for one to exit without considering the effects on the remaining partner.

I just wondered if Ioan couldn't have tried to make some acknowledgements. Like, ofc I loved you, I still do (if he does), but feel we are better off apart. It also doesn't seem very, idk, helpful? fair? kind? to have been completely quiet about all the pain he was in, if that's what he is now saying. Telling your wife how much you love them, and how wonderful they are, to suddenly returning from a trip and being 'cold' does smack of an affair to me. Don't many therapists and women say that a lot of men don't ever leave until they have a new woman lined up? I think that may be the case here.

In one of AE's instagram posts IG is singing. He has a really great voice and honestly I think he could make music and it'd sell. In another post AE has drawn a sketch of their daughters. It's really good too. AE speaks a number of languages, and in the youtubes I've seen of her speaking French, she has a great voice. Personally, I find quite a few of her humerous posts funny. She is often self-deprecating, talking about fine hair, or joking about her enhanced mouth. In an interview about Harvey Weinstein she came across as insightful and honest.

It's a real shame to see how things have gone. I've been in relationships where the men have lied. The lying actually hurt me almost as much as the cheating ('it's not the crime it's the cover-up). One relationship was with a man I believe would be assessed as having NPD. I had never heard of this until afterwards in therapy. I've seen in many posts here that it doesn't matter if IG was cheating. It's not illegal and so on. I just wondered if anyone else felt that it would be important to them to know the truth and for their partners/spouse's to tell them the truth. Including what happened and when.

I just don't see this evil horror who made IG's life hell (he was away a lot of the time surely?). In so many posts AE is complimenting him and saying how lucky she is etc. Whilst at times putting herself down. It seems a bit more like she was a bit insecure, rather than she was full of confidence, in control, bossing him. I can't recall whether in court docs or here but didn't she say he said 'I didn't sign up for this' about her fibromyalgia? What if that's true? What if AE does have poor health? No spouse has to tolerate things they don't like, especially with no fault divorces now common. But maybe IG struggles with admitting to himself or others that his reasons are things like 'intolerance' or 'boredom', or 'feeling like starting over and wanting to have young kids again'. Idk, I would find it incredibly difficult to interact with the person who I thought had lied to me possibly for years or who was exploiting that men can 'start over' in their 50's, 60's and 79 for Robert De Niro.

Was going to respond properly to this but can’t be arsed. This is a good day for this thread and for I and all who love him in his personal life.

 

[welp]

I see Alice is doing well

meanwhile

 

[AllFurCoatNoKnickers1]

I am not sure whether to believe that IG had an affair. I know that I would want to know this if I was AE, and I think it's completely normal for her to want desperately to know the truth of this. I don't think it IS that common for someone like IG, a relatively rich and confident person who works in the entertainment industry, to suffer in years of silent pain whilst what, secretly hating his wife? The woman who incubated and gave birth to the children he says he loves a lot.

So you know he’s confident how? You know he kept silent how? You know he hated her how? And because he gave birth to his children, he shouldn’t leave? Id Assume it’s because she’s their mother that he has kept quiet. He hasn’t done interviews. He hasn’t posted online. He has been attacked constantly and he hasn’t fought back. And you clearly don’t know anything about abuse survivors if you think they all immediately speak up. I was in an abusive marriage and I stayed silent for years. Some would even assume i was confident. i put on a good show of being happy. So please don’t tell me its not common for someone in an abusive relationship to stay quiet.

 

[Bridgeofsighs]

Is it me or is there a bit of a dump smell in here?

 

[Mardybum41]

Peter Hitchens often writes about no-fault divorce. I wondered if anyone here feels that yes, marriage is a contract and why should the one who wants to breaks that not have some consequence. I believe if you sign a contract with the Navy for 7 years you have to pay to exit it early. Same with many mortgages, loans, and many contracts.
I'm not in love with AE, I just can't see why she is being blamed when for, idk, being married for 21 years? Being upset and going off the rails when this falls apart and she says he lied to her for long?
If your teachers told you you were an amazing student, marked your work as straight A's, told you you were kind and loving and whatever, and then suddenly one day they gave you all grade D's and point blank refused to tell you why, how would you feel?
On top of that, if they then started telling others, maybe a new 'A grade student' that you were actually a crappy student all along, and that despite claiming to enjoy having you in class they actually hated it and were suffering, how would you feel?

What price would you have him pay for leaving the marriage contact?
He left his home with only the clothes in his back and needed a police escort to retrieve his things.
His children have been completely brainwashed to hate him to the point he needs witnesses to prevent them making false abuse claims.
The private collaborative divorce he wanted that would have left them both with money and the dirty laundry out of the public eye was shat all over by Alice.
His mother received many many abusive messages.
He has been called a drug abuser, pedalo, cheat liar, abusive parent, accused of abandoning and not paying for his children despite paying for everything for the last 3 years.
In fighting to have a relationship with his children she has drained every last penny from him, leaving him no option other than borrowing money from his elderly parents and his chronically ill girlfriend to fund his abusers life.
Don’t you think he’s paid enough already?

 

[barre19]

Uhh, quick show of hands, Turds - anyone not handle things so “smoothly” with an ex partner?

Anyone go on national tv to bleat about how blindsided they were by the end of their relationship, and maintain that story despite it having been proven a lie?

Anyone wage a 2+ year public campaign of hate towards their ex on social media?

Anyone set themselves up a GoFundMe and plead poverty whilst maintaining an eBay habit?

Anyone actively and persistently obstruct the relationship between their ex and their kids, poisoning them to such an extent that they falsely accused the ex of abuse?

Anyone get themselves a restraining order?

(…)

Huh.

 

[ClaraPlum]

I actually threw a cushion across the room when I thought the judge granted her the delay. Then I did a fist pump when I saw it was denied.

Of course I didn’t verbalise any of this to Mr Plum. I think he thinks I’m having some sort of breakdown

 

[peteburnsreincarnated]

I don’t really keep up with this thread (it was moving too fast!) but I saw this on tik tok

 

[SusieTCones]

I absolutely do not endorse the taunting ol’ Tone is getting right now, but poor Tone just can’t win for losing. I did not have “Tony turns into Max Headroom” on my bingo card.

 

[House of Tea]

Yes Kitti. You have convinced us all with your reasoned arguments. Ioan is a Cheating Pig and Alice is a Wronged Woman.

 

[Invictus]

It's denied - about to upload - new attorney not a good reason to deny

Request DENIED. A new attorney on the case, absent other reasons, is not good cause to continue hearing.

Bye, Bitch.

 

[Nixlondon]

And the quote from Selma "My amazing friend. I loves you very "

 

[Junebug895]

I am fucking LOVING the unadulterated joy of he Tattlers!! I've missed this lovely bat shit community, and it's longing for justice. The thing that I've felt so strongly about with this whole mess, is the need for understanding of male victims of abuse, not just female. It does our sex a massive disservice when people like Malice use it to gain undeserved sympathy points, and continue the abuse. Men and women should be wholly treated equally. He is not a pussy. He is not weak. He's had to put up with fuck knows what, and he's got my support for surviving it and having the courage to get the fuck out of dodge, despite probably understanding far more than we could just how much of a storm he was in for.

 

[Nixlondon]

I've been thinking of how I behaved in the 3 months after my husband dumped me. He had an affair and didn't deny it eventually after months of denial - that he was shagging my friend. I twisted myself into pretzels about how he lied to me and was fucking furious. What I omitted from my narrative was the fact the relationship was wobbly at worst, broken at best. Because I was in a very vulnerable position (new country, no ability to work, no financial backing), I initially went apeshit. I screamed, cried, hated and begged. It was tragic. Luckily I had really good friends who grabbed hold of me and said "enough". They said to me it did not matter if he had had 40 affairs, the relationship was over and I needed to move on. Luckily I listened. 20 odd years later I got an email from him apologising for the way he treated me. But I could not blame him totally. I was absolutely half responsible for the breakdown. I knew in my heart he was cheating, but I also knew things were not kosher in our relationship. For those three months I threw myself into "What a fucking bastard, what a fucking liar, once a cheat always a cheat", basically because I did not want to acknowledge my responsibility for the marriage breakdown. I think this is where Alice is, but will not acknowledge that a relationship breakdown is 50% responsibility for both parties.
ETA, I was not in an abusive relationship. I can't talk for an abusive relationship. Only for a cheating relationship.

 

[M33L4]

My first husband dragged our divorce out for years and years. The day the confirmation came through that we could get divorced was a huge relief. It is abusive to deliberately delay a divorce just because you can. Worst cunts in the world. He too will share a bin with Alice Beggy bogging bifurcated Evans.