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LadyMuck said:
7 days to go Tattlers!

This time next week we'll be watching it
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ok, he looks like peak blunder years in this one. also the way they formatted his name looks like the mugshot of one being caught at the off licence trying to buy a light lager while brazenly under-age :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
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LadyMuck said:
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That's an interesting photo of Charles
😀😘 xx but reminds me of those police photos with the board at the front for the details and height board at the back 😀😄😊😊😘 xx

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Cinnamon.girl said:
Thanks for your comments, and it's very confusing as every article I read said that it was PC who pushed for her HRH to be removed. I didn't know this, that HM had wanted her to keep it as the mother of the future King. That seems logical, so why did PC insist that she lose it? That's what I'd like to know. The reason given in the article that Diana tried to back the RF into a corner and then jumped the gun seems odd.

From your explanation, Lady C says that HM and PC had privately agreed that she'd keep her HRH but Diana jumped the gun so they gave her the lesser title. Is this true? This wouldn't have happened if they'd been clear in the first place and followed protocol, and if there had been no arguing about whether she should keep it or not? The Burke's Peerage writer said there was protracted wrangling as to whether she should keep her HRH, and that to lose it would be "unprecedented". The protracted discussions must have been between HM and PC, but it doesn't explain why PC took this position.

I don't really understand it all but it's a mess isn't it. The bit in big type, that she was "punished for not settling for HRH Princess Diana" is confusing. I'd like to know why her title was removed and what it achieved.
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I don’t think he insisted it was removed at all. There were conversations with Diana happening behind the scenes and he was part of it all. I don’t think he really wanted her to keep PoW but seemed to have no issue with the HRH. She’d been offered the HRH in her own right by him and HM but because Di was obsessed with keeping PoW, she jumped the gun to try and force their hands. As she clearly told Lady C, she bizarrely thought a title of her own was a demotion rather than a practically unique in history promotion. For someone who came from the aristo world, thats a strange lack of understanding.

I’m not sure why the Burkes person is saying loss of HRH wasn’t protocol because it absolutely was as far as general aristo titles went. You don’t get to keep the all important The when you divorce a Duke, etc. And royal divorce, well there was no precedent. Ignoring Henry VIII, KCIII’s generation basically were the first. George IV had tried to divorce Caroline but been denied. Anne divorcing Phillips didn’t count as he didn’t have a title anyway. So the Yorks were the only precedent and she got the same as Sarah.

By many accounts, Di was an utter nightmare through the divorce process, playing tricks, demanding ridiculous stuff, threatening to release the false gay scandal tape she’d fooled the mentally vulnerable Smith into. And yet she is still seen as the poorly done to victim in it all, when actually I think the Queen and Charles were just doing their best to manage a horrendous mess.

I really recommend Lady C’s Di book. Di had initially wanted Lady C to basically be her Morton, so gave her hours of interviews. In the end, Lady C refused to publish the false tale Di was spinning so Di went to Morton instead. But it means Lady C’s Diana books are all on first person evidence. She’s a big Diana fan in many ways and generous about her many good qualities but is also very fair about her faults and issues and just how hard she was to deal with.
 
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willbiteback said:
How would anyone believe that the outspoken MM would ever get pushed into a surrogacy, presumably for race-based reasons? That just doesn’t play given MM’s intent to reform the monarchy. And we’re not talking about a quickie little white lie - this would have been months of packing a pillow and a lifetime of lies. If I were betting and there were one or two surrogacies, I’d wager that MM’s biological clock had stopped but she still recognized the need for the ties that bind. All of this is, of course, easily resolved with a little DNA, assuming one wants it resolved.
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Also if we’re going down this road (forced into surrogacy by HMTLQ), they’ve spent the last four years going on about their children being mixed race, the royal racist (sorry unconscious biasist) worrying about skin colour, titles not being given due to skin colour etc. but what, really the kids were white because borne of surrogate with donor (white) eggs? This isn’t a get out for them, mind you they are so mental maybe they would try it.

She’s a psychopath. So weird that he can‘t see it. But then he’s out of his face most of the time and thick as bleeping tit.
 
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Maleficent50 said:
The Ho dropped her dad over a few photos that weren’t that bad. He was photographed reading a book about England and being measured for a suit. Hardly earth shattering.
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She's a pathetic human being. I can't help thinking her Mother had somethin to do with it. I can see a person being mildly pissed-off for 48hrs, but that's about it. Moldy Marmite Minge Meghan.
 
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Meemew said:
Also if we’re going down this road (forced into surrogacy by HMTLQ), they’ve spent the last four years going on about their children being mixed race, the royal racist (sorry unconscious biasist) worrying about skin colour, titles not being given due to skin colour etc. but what, really the kids were white because borne of surrogate with donor (white) eggs? This isn’t a get out for them, mind you they are so mental maybe they would try it.

She’s a psychopath. So weird that he can‘t see it. But then he’s out of his face most of the time and thick as bleeping tit.
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I agree with everythig you have said. I am new around here, and I don't know much!
 
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Bookworm. Smeg news and views

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Thanks @LadyMuck 😘
Not much new here but here goes.
The Ho is everywhere putting it about. The Markle family to appear en masse on Sunday with unseen footage, BookWorm thinks they deserve this as they've had a raw deal from the Stoats, however you feel about them. With each other for support they'll be braver. Thomas Markle is clearly a sick man, and maybe someone should issue a warning to his daughter about honouring the Fifth Commandment.
The Ho's signed up to WME, but no amount of salivating and puffery will turn the Ho into a global star.
On paper WME is impressive, 467M income, 11.4 Billion in assets, 10,700 employees. In 2019 WME bought the Walker Agency, with whom the Stoats were already registered. The CEO is Ari Emanuel who's been mired in racist controversy and allowed a pornographic website to be run from WME offices. He's married to Sara who runs the label Staud who designed the crumpled pink flamingo suit at Lakers.
Rumours abound that the Ho is looking at film parts, but only if she features heavily in roles and credits.
BookWorm thinks that history is going to repeat itself and the Ho will relaunch The Tig. If she gets a role in a film she'll send the Stoat a Dear John letter but keep all the jewellery. She knows it's over with the RF and needs something to move on TO. BookWorm thinks the end of the marriage is near, but does the Stoat know?
 
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I don’t think he insisted it was removed at all. There were conversations with Diana happening behind the scenes and he was part of it all. I don’t think he really wanted her to keep PoW but seemed to have no issue with the HRH. She’d been offered the HRH in her own right by him and HM but because Di was obsessed with keeping PoW, she jumped the gun to try and force their hands. As she clearly told Lady C, she bizarrely thought a title of her own was a demotion rather than a practically unique in history promotion. For someone who came from the aristo world, thats a strange lack of understanding.

I’m not sure why the Burkes person is saying loss of HRH wasn’t protocol because it absolutely was as far as general aristo titles went. You don’t get to keep the all important The when you divorce a Duke, etc. And royal divorce, well there was no precedent. Ignoring Henry VIII, KCIII’s generation basically were the first. George IV had tried to divorce Caroline but been denied. Anne divorcing Phillips didn’t count as he didn’t have a title anyway. So the Yorks were the only precedent and she got the same as Sarah.

By many accounts, Di was an utter nightmare through the divorce process, playing tricks, demanding ridiculous stuff, threatening to release the false gay scandal tape she’d fooled the mentally vulnerable Smith into. And yet she is still seen as the poorly done to victim in it all, when actually I think the Queen and Charles were just doing their best to manage a horrendous mess.

I really recommend Lady C’s Di book. Di had initially wanted Lady C to basically be her Morton, so gave her hours of interviews. In the end, Lady C refused to publish the false tale Di was spinning so Di went to Morton instead. But it means Lady C’s Diana books are all on first person evidence. She’s a big Diana fan in many ways and generous about her many good qualities but is also very fair about her faults and issues and just how hard she was to deal with.
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Can you imagine the mess re the PoW title especially when William became PoW and if he was married? Would there have been 2 Princess’ of Wales? I would say that’s probably why they wanted her restyled as HRH Princess Diana, nothing more sinister than that.
 
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Harold's old mates are speaking to the Mail.

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No one minds if he changed on getting married …but it’s the fact he REGRESSED to a spiteful , entitled, moaning child, who lectures on supposed “ woke” issues and doesn’t practice what he preaches, a rank hypocrite ! !
 
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Cinnamon.girl said:
Interesting reader comment.

"ProudofGB2 HRS AGO
I think people have forgotten, (through ALL the PR bull machine that’s been spewing positive spin for what feels like forever,) that it was pure spite that CHARLES was the propelling force in stripping Diana of her HRH, the mother of the future monarch, and he forced the stripping of that automatic protection, which ultimately killed her, AND BEFORE anyone tries to pick me up on Diana turning down protection offered to her by charles the weak, it was AFTER he stripped the HRH and so they would be paid by him, so whispering voices so to speak as opposed down the trustworthy government route!!
I’ve thought he was extremely spiteful then, I feel his over entitlement and spite is still firmly part of him now!!
He should be THANKING her (Angela) for her genuine friendship and companionship to the Queen, not showing what sort of monarch he is whether he likes her or not!!
So extremely disappointing but sadly not a surprise, especially from him!!
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July 1996.
"A spokesman for Burke's Peerage described the announcement that the princess was to lose her HRH title as ``without precedent''. (Burke Peerage is the aristocracy's Bible.)

``The British monarchy is in danger of being considered untraditional and mean in its decision to strip the ex-Princess of Wales from the designation which is rightfully hers,'' a statement from Mr Harold Brooks-Baker, publishing director of the publication, said.

``It is not possible for the mother of a future monarch to be deprived of `HRH' without creating negative public reaction throughout the Commonwealth. It is anticipated that most world leaders as well as the people they represent will take a very dim view of Buckingham Palace's announcement this afternoon," added Mr Brooks-Baker."

"The final negotiations to agree the divorce package were carried out this week, although it is understood there were protracted discussions on whether the princess should lose or retain the style HRH."

"If the Prince of Wales abides by his declared intention not to remarry after divorce, the Princess Royal could play a prominent role at the side of the future King."
The last thing Chuck wanted, overshadowed by his luminous ex-wife even as King.

"It is understood that the prince balked at a request from Diana that he should sign a confidentiality or ``gagging'' clause in the same way as she was being required to do. The prince considered that his word not to divulge details of his life with his ex-wife was good enough.".
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Diana desperately wanted to keep her HRH as without it she was cast adrift.
KC had likely already decided he was going to marry Camilla, and this fits in with wanting Diana out, really out. He and Camilla had been together before he and Diana were married, and it's logical that Chuck's insistence that Diana's HRH be removed was connected to this.

The Queen wanted Diana as the mother of the future King to keep her HRH title according to protocol, which included police protection, but PC insisted that she lose it. There's no disputing that Diana had substandard and dodgy RPO's when she died. One report said that the Mercedes had been stolen earlier that day and then returned, and that the seat-belts weren't working.

Reports suggest that after the HRH removal PC offered to pay protection privately, and Diana turned it down. If so, likely because of her belief that they would report back to Chuck, which was understandable.

So yes she didn't have a seat belt on and the driver was drunk (?) plus they were playing hide and seek with the press. Aguably none of this would have been the case if she had the level of protection she could have had, that the Queen wanted but PC vetoed.

This is something that is never mentioned in the press. All we ever hear is that "if she'd put her seatbelt on and the driver was sober......got into a car with drunk driver"... . was he drunk? We don't know, there's a lot we don't know, but we've been told it was her fault.

There are questions that won't go away, and looking back now the removal of her HRH title wasn't the simple matter it was presented as at the time. Diana is spun as a vindictive lunatic racketing around Europe with unsuitable men, and yes she was unstable and spiteful but she was up against a mighty Machine. When she was within the Machine she was safe, and won because of her luminosity and charisma. Once outside the Machine and removed from its safety and security, she lost.

I've never seen anybody give a reason why her HRH title was removed in the first place. What did it actually achieve? Cleared the way for Chuck? Does anybody know? Both William and Harry must wonder why and wonder WHAT IF it hadn't been removed. That Camilla was instrumental in this decision is possible.

William, then 14, comforted her when her HRH was stripped, and promised her that he would restore it when he became King. That is so very very sad.
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mmmm.... i kind of disagree bc the book i'm reading lol. the author may be mis-informed (she does a very objective, to negative portrayal of our Chucky, so i don't think she is a fan, but she did base all her research on all the confirmed tabloid news and leaks of the time). Sally Bedell Smith says that HM, PP and PC were ok with Lady Di keeping the HRH styling, but then she put her foot in her mouth and went on to leak to several newspapers and tabloids the details of the divorce negotiations, even after she promised HM that she would keep them private. the author thinks Di was forcing HM's hand by announcing things the palace wouldn't comment on, as they never comment, as a pre-emptive strike tactic (another sweet nod to Diana, skinwalk by Smeggz). finally, the triumvirate, led by HM, decided on the stripping of the title, having taken into consideration Diana's penchant for leaking and indiscretion. Charles did declare he wouldn't get married again, as a concession to the divorce. well... he's happy with Cammie and Diana is hopefully happy back in the great star stuff (theory of late Carl Sagan).

i might be well off... this galaxy. or universe. RIP Carl Sagan.

edit: it was William who ultimately convinced Diana to relinquish the HRH, but, according to the book, it was bc he said it doesn't matter. again, these next 5 universes you can see in the telescope? i might be hanging about the 10th one over.
 
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