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There was a TikTok video circulating on GC sites of a white transwoman saying that white women aren't really vulnerable in majority white neighbourhoods, whereas men of colour are, and "we should recognise our privilege as white women." You should recognise your privilege as a white man first ...

As in Amanda Knox/Meredith Kercher?
No - this one's a Canadian pro-TRA writer who came out as a "lesbian" after her husband transitioned and then their son became a "daughter" as well (now identifies as non-binary)
 
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I knew this would happen, I think I actually said on this thread that I bet there’s seedy stuff going on on there. Only Fans is bad business. Kids as young as 13 are accessing this app, 16 year olds putting themselves out there and bragging to their careers advisors about it, missing children appearing in videos. But no consequences for the men who pay for this tit, no instead they get a refund. There’s no such thing as a ‘safe space’ for adult content. Where ever you find porn, you will find women and children being exploited, I am certain of this now more than ever. It’s literally happening under our noses on an app you download from any App Store. I despair at the world I really do.
 
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I find this so confusing and think it's akin to the confused look my 100 year old borr grandad gives me when I try to explain the internet. 😫
 
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I knew this would happen, I think I actually said on this thread that I bet there’s seedy stuff going on on there. Only Fans is bad business. Kids as young as 13 are accessing this app, 16 year olds putting themselves out there and bragging to their careers advisors about it, missing children appearing in videos. But no consequences for the men who pay for this tit, no instead they get a refund. There’s no such thing as a ‘safe space’ for adult content. Where ever you find porn, you will find women and children being exploited, I am certain of this now more than ever. It’s literally happening under our noses on an app you download from any App Store. I despair at the world I really do.
I saw this article this morning, truly depressing to read but I wasn’t surprised. Of course there are children on these sites and of course no one cares. It’s all about the money. And of course, the MEN who partake in this get no repercussions. Who are these filth who send children messages like “give me a pussy pic and I’ll subscribe.” I read an article about the “sex zone” in Leeds and how many of the cars that turn up for underage girls are driven by men who have child seats in the back.

 
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I wonder how many people go back to their original sexuality once they split up with a newly transitioned partner? Surely not many think, ‘Ah, actually I am a lesbian/gay man now’ after not experiencing ACTUAL gay/lesbian relationships and sex? Would be interesting to know.
 
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I don’t want to date trans people, that isnt transphobic that’s personal preference. And why is that? Because I like men, so oddly enough, a vagina and lopped off tits isn’t going to do it for me. Sure you can love a persons personality, but physical attraction also plays a huge role and you can’t pretend it’s there just to avoid the elephant in the room. In the same way I’m not particularly attracted to ginger hair or muscular men etc. Again, the EXACT same way trans people have their own tastes. The bleeping audacity to think that they can dictate to people who they can like/love because otherwise it’s transphobic, whilst having their own personal preferences.

If a trans person can be straight, so can a cis person.
If a trans person can be gay, so can a cis person.

We don’t get to tell people who to date, is this not a large part of why your whole bleeping movement started!? Freedom to choose!?

The difference is, most cis folk go into it with absolute transparency and respect the art of consent. I can’t consent to something if I’m being lied to from the get go as to who it is I’m dating. Now I’m not at all saying most trans people don't behave the same, I’m exclusively speaking in regards to the people who think it’s ok to mislead their partners, act abusively and then accuse them of being transphobic when they are very rightly horrified. It’s akin to rape to be quite honest.
 
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"I'm frustrated I ever thought I deserved anything less" - entitlement some?

This reminds me of when Magdalen Berns responded to a YouTube video by a woman who identified as "non-binary" and had gone through a lengthy HR process at work to ask if she could wear a "gender-neutral" uniform. Magdalen's argument was, correctly, that none of that should have been necessary; employees have a right to be comfortable in their uniform and should not be made to wear skirts and heels just because they are female. But no one "needs" pronouns on display
 
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There's a prominent Irish transwoman who had his face projected on the side of a building in Dublin for International Womans Day. Anyway, I listened to an interview with him a while ago, he came out to his workplace as trans a few years back. He said something like 'workplaces are becoming more diverse, it's not just all straight white men'. Zero self awareness
It’s like there’s a trans woman CEO (Martine Rothblatt) who was lauded as being the highest paid female CEO. But, well, they only transitioned once they reached the upper echelons of their profession as a white man.
 
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"I'm frustrated I ever thought I deserved anything less" - entitlement some?

This reminds me of when Magdalen Berns responded to a YouTube video by a woman who identified as "non-binary" and had gone through a lengthy HR process at work to ask if she could wear a "gender-neutral" uniform. Magdalen's argument was, correctly, that none of that should have been necessary; employees have a right to be comfortable in their uniform and should not be made to wear skirts and heels just because they are female. But no one "needs" pronouns on display
This is where the GC in me comes out. Genuine transgenderism as treatment for gender dysphoria I will use your preferred he/she or even they if you’re not comfortable with either yet.

all these extra made up genders is ridiculous and a way to gaslight the world and trick people into misgendering.

this persons pronouns are currently fe/fey.

Be like game-stop lady all over again.

“please ask my colleague fey will help you”

“ITS XEY!!!! TODAY IM XEY, BIGOT”


PS - I would love to hear Rose of Dawns take on this rotating name tag situation....
 
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On a slightly more shallow note I thought this was interesting. More proof that some treat trans people like children and don't respect them as their equal- that is objectively tit eyeliner
I see these sort of replies so much in makeup communities I’m in on Facebook. When a cis female does this they get critique and sometimes it can be quite rude but when a trans woman does it they get praise that verges on patronising. The ‘reasoning’ I’ve heard is that trans women haven’t be able to practice or wear make up for years due to society pressure etc but it’s not like women all start wearing makeup at 13 or are good at it.
 
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I can’t read all this article (paywall) but opening para gives gist.
You beat me to it!

Here's the full article.

A second high-profile public body has ditched a rights group’s scheme to encourage “diversity days” after concerns were raised that it gave unlawful advice on transgender rights.

Acas, the employment dispute service, confirmed to The Times that it had withdrawn “for cost reasons” from the diversity champions scheme run by Stonewall. Days earlier the Equality and Human Rights Commission said it was doing the same.

Stonewall promotes the scheme as “the leading employers’ programme for ensuring all LGBT staff are accepted without exception in the workplace”, and uses it to vet members’ policies to bring them in line with its own.



However, it has faced increased scrutiny and criticism. Last week another “diversity champion”, Essex University, apologised for dropping two speakers after they were accused of transphobia.


The university published an independent report, which concluded that Stonewall had provided officials with misleading and potentially illegal advice. The report expressed concern that Stonewall had misrepresented the provisions of the Equality Act 2010 to suggest that the legislation included “gender identity”. Academics have claimed that the alleged misrepresentation has resulted in speakers being prevented from debating trans rights.

The Essex report said that if “the university considers it appropriate to continue its relationship with Stonewall, it should devise a strategy for countering the drawbacks and potential illegalities”. Stonewall has removed the names of more than 850 companies and public bodies that it had listed on its website as diversity champions.
Senior prosecutors in England and Wales have also been criticised for connections with the scheme. Last September it emerged that lawyers for a schoolgirl were bringing a legal challenge over the Crown Prosecution Service’s affiliation with Stonewall. She asked that the service withdraw from the champions scheme on the grounds that the group had misrepresented the law on transgender rights. The CPS refused, and the girl has applied for a judicial review.
Acas said that “due to cost reasons, we did not renew our membership of the Stonewall diversity champion scheme . . . we support the work that Stonewall does to help make workplaces inclusive”.
Liz Ward, a Stonewall director, confirmed Acas’s move and said it was up to employers how they met statutory requirements.

I think after these two dropping out, a lot of other institutions are going to be using the same 'cost reasons' excuse for not renewing.
 
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Re The Times article, when it says Stonewall have removed 850 companies from website as diversity champions, is that because the orgs themselves have pulled away from Stonewall?
 
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