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There's an article in the mail today being discussed on mumsnet.

4 yr old female twin wants to be like her brother and couldn't understand why she was being forced to wear pink and pigtails. Now the parents say the child is trans and have got her on the tavistock list.

All the photos show they gendered their kids from the offset.

The child has said things like 'I'm a boy' but of course she is because she wants to play with trucks and have short hair in an environment where clearly the parents have set expectations for how girls behave and how boys behave.
 
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Context: Several years ago Tumblr issued a ban on porn because it was causing them to lose advertisers. This included shots of "female-presenting nipples" i.e. women's nipples. Many of the site's users left as they thought it unfair to "queer people" and "sex workers." Evidently, this person was one of them. And of course her bio says "TERFs duck off" ...
 
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There's an article in the mail today being discussed on mumsnet.

4 yr old female twin wants to be like her brother and couldn't understand why she was being forced to wear pink and pigtails. Now the parents say the child is trans and have got her on the tavistock list.

All the photos show they gendered their kids from the offset.

The child has said things like 'I'm a boy' but of course she is because she wants to play with trucks and have short hair in an environment where clearly the parents have set expectations for how girls behave and how boys behave.
This is insanity. I collected dinky toy cars and had Scaletrix as a child. Thank goodness I was born in the 1970s.
 
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There's an article in the mail today being discussed on mumsnet.

4 yr old female twin wants to be like her brother and couldn't understand why she was being forced to wear pink and pigtails. Now the parents say the child is trans and have got her on the tavistock list.

All the photos show they gendered their kids from the offset.

The child has said things like 'I'm a boy' but of course she is because she wants to play with trucks and have short hair in an environment where clearly the parents have set expectations for how girls behave and how boys behave.
This infuriates me. She doesn’t want to be a boy she just wants to dress and play like her brother. It’s child cruelty.
 
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I swear I am never going to understand this perspective that it’s better to give children body altering drugs that you don’t know the long term effects of than just let them play with cars? Genuinely I cannot get it through my head why any reasonable sensible parent would think that’s best at all
 
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There's an article in the mail today being discussed on mumsnet.

4 yr old female twin wants to be like her brother and couldn't understand why she was being forced to wear pink and pigtails. Now the parents say the child is trans and have got her on the tavistock list.

All the photos show they gendered their kids from the offset.

The child has said things like 'I'm a boy' but of course she is because she wants to play with trucks and have short hair in an environment where clearly the parents have set expectations for how girls behave and how boys behave.
It’s always ‘the child was forced to wear this/play with this’ so they came out as trans. It’s never ‘she/he could play and dress how they wanted’. It’s little wonder so many kids are ‘coming out’ if you can’t so much as a play with a bleeping toy if you’re the ‘wrong’ sex!
It’s infuriating and heartbreaking at the same time!!!
 
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Lecturers at Edinburgh University have been given guidance on transgender issues, including a list of ‘microinsults’ they should not use, such as ‘I wanted to be a boy when I was a child’. The list of phrases also includes saying ‘all women hate their periods’ and ‘all people think about being the opposite gender sometimes’. They were described as ‘microaggressions’ which ‘negate or nullify the thoughts, feelings or lived reality of trans and non-binary people’ and undermine their transition to different genders, according to the guidance, which was seen by the Telegraph. Academics have also been told not to ‘focus on anatomical sex markers’ and encouraged to include preferred pronouns in emails and wear rainbow lanyards around campus ‘as a visible sign’ they are allies of the trans community.

The guidance also states that lecturers should refrain from using labels such as ‘man’ or ‘woman’ or suggest someone can only be one or the other.
A number of Russell Group universities have issued similar guidance and asked staff to undergo training on ‘cisgender privilege’, advantages afforded to those whose birth sex aligns with their current gender identity. Newcastle University has told its staff: ‘Being cisgender comes with social privilege. That’s even for people who are socially disadvantaged in other ways.’ Imperial College, LSE, Warwick, and Exeter have also provided advice on the topic, recommending scholars use their privilege to be allies of the transgender community.
I thought it was bad enough when I worked for a public sector archive and wasn't allowed to tick the female box for the Queen or the male box for a 3rd century farmer because 'we don't know how they identify' but academia has that beat.
 
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I thought it was bad enough when I worked for a public sector archive and wasn't allowed to tick the female box for the Queen or the male box for a 3rd century farmer because 'we don't know how they identify' but academia has that beat.
I will never go on a course about my "cis-gender privilege" that is a step too far
 
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Exactly! So when are the male privilege, straight privilege, white privilege, free-from-bipolar-disorder privilege, free-from-schizophrenia privilege, have-all-4-limbs privilege (you get what I'm trying to say) re-education camps happening? You start that bullshit, there's no end in sight!
 
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There's an article in the mail today being discussed on mumsnet.

4 yr old female twin wants to be like her brother and couldn't understand why she was being forced to wear pink and pigtails. Now the parents say the child is trans and have got her on the tavistock list.

All the photos show they gendered their kids from the offset.

The child has said things like 'I'm a boy' but of course she is because she wants to play with trucks and have short hair in an environment where clearly the parents have set expectations for how girls behave and how boys behave.
I bleeping hate this. We are literally going backwards. I have boy/girl twins, they share all of their toys. My son likes pushing a dolly pram around, my daughter much prefers cars. They're still a boy and a girl. Nursery is a free for all for toys and they can play with whatever the hell they like, they don't know that toys are "gendered" they're toddlers. What happened to stepping away from the idea that girls only like Barbie's and pink and can't like trucks and tractors. My son has blue & pink clothes, my daughter has blue & pink clothes. Simple.

I don't believe a 4 year old child can turn around and say they're the other gender without the parent seriously pushing the idea on them. It's vile.
 
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I will never go on a course about my "cis-gender privilege" that is a step too far
Guaranteed on this ‘know you cis privilege’ course, they won’t have large print copies of any handouts on offer for me who is visually impaired and won’t be able to read the standard one. But it’s ok, my ‘cis privilege’ will get me through...
 
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Guaranteed on this ‘know you cis privilege’ course, they won’t have large print copies of any handouts on offer for me who is visually impaired and won’t be able to read the standard one. But it’s ok, my ‘cis privilege’ will get me through...
they've got perfect vision privilege, you should let them know
 
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There's an article in the mail today being discussed on mumsnet.

4 yr old female twin wants to be like her brother and couldn't understand why she was being forced to wear pink and pigtails. Now the parents say the child is trans and have got her on the tavistock list.

All the photos show they gendered their kids from the offset.

The child has said things like 'I'm a boy' but of course she is because she wants to play with trucks and have short hair in an environment where clearly the parents have set expectations for how girls behave and how boys behave.
This is awful. Clearly it’s just a child wanting to be just like her twin. Simple as that.

I genuinely thought a friend of a friend was going to trans her son. He has a big sister and liked to wear her dresses (dressing up clothes and regular dresses). The mum made quite a big deal out of buying him his own dresses, posting photos of them out and about in dresses, and made a comment about him wanting to wear dresses when he started school.

As far as I know she didn’t send him to school wearing a dress, and I haven’t seen photos of him in a dress for years. Safe to say it was a phase... because he was four years old and that’s what four year olds do.
 
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There's an article in the mail today being discussed on mumsnet.

4 yr old female twin wants to be like her brother and couldn't understand why she was being forced to wear pink and pigtails. Now the parents say the child is trans and have got her on the tavistock list.

All the photos show they gendered their kids from the offset.

The child has said things like 'I'm a boy' but of course she is because she wants to play with trucks and have short hair in an environment where clearly the parents have set expectations for how girls behave and how boys behave.
Love how the father shares this all on LinkedIn of all platforms and boasts that he has the consent of the 4 year old daughter. Yeah, I’m sure a 4 year old understands what you’re doing.
 
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Love how the father shares this all on LinkedIn of all platforms and boasts that he has the consent of the 4 year old daughter. Yeah, I’m sure a 4 year old understands what you’re doing.
Can anyone here really remember much about their own thought processes at 4 years old? I barely have any memories of that age. I remember crying over a dropped toy, and being stung by a bee, but other than that I have no recollection. So how can a 4 year old consider sex, gender, patriarchy, gender expectations etc enough to make an informed decision that would affect their future health, fertility etc etc... madness.
 
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When I was 4 I played with both Barbies and Thomas the Tank engine train sets. If I had "woke" parents I'd probably have been told I'm non binary or genderfluid...let kids be kids.
 
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