Yup, sex characteristics do not equal sex. As a woman who suffers from hirsutism my facial/body hair growth is more similar to the average man than it is to the average woman but that doesn't make me any less of a woman/female. You could also make the same argument about a woman who has had to undergo a double mastectomy for cancer and has chosen, or is unable, to get breast reconstruction surgery by saying that their chest looks more like the average man than the average woman but that doesn't, in any way, shape or form, make them less of a woman/female.
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exactly but they're comparing these women to men which is pretty offensive.
High five from another hirsutism sufferer. I also have a deeper than average voice for a woman. None of these things make me less of a woman and as Zenchick101 says, it's pretty offensive to suggest that these physical characteristics define your sex.
I too was suspicious but turns out I was wrong. I really hate how whenever a woman actually commits a crime, I end up doing more digging because I can’t help but wonder if it really was a woman or not. Just call a spade a spade and say trans woman if they are one, it avoids any confusion.
I did read that Gareeca had been a victim of abuse at the hands of men in the past. Horrible situation all round.
It’s discriminatory to point out facts now? Humans can’t change sex, it’s impossible. You can present as the opposite sex and take all the hormones you like but ultimately it’s cosmetic, it’s not what your body naturally wants or does. Your dna is your dna. It’s really bleeping stupid for news outlets to peddle this misinformation.It is far too early in the day for this kind of nonsense
Transgender people do change their sex - it is discriminatory to say otherwise
Transgender people in the UK can indeed change their sex, both legally and physically.metro.co.uk
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How quickly they’ve gone from from ‘nObOdY iS sAyInG wE cHaNgE sEX’ to ‘we can change sex’ 
Hey!
I've come to terms with it now as just being the way that I'm made, but when I was a teenager I was devastated. I can easily imagine a young girl nowadays who suffers from hirsutism saying that they 'don't feel like a woman' (aka they don't feel feminine enough to be a woman) and then ending up on a pathway to transitioning.
Absolutely. I'm lucky in that mine is limited to a bit of facial hair, but it was very embarrassing when I was young. I can so easily see young girls with it today thinking that it's somehow proof they're not really female, because that's what the narrative is for their generation - your female status is based on how feminine you are, instead actually being female.
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A trans person I used to follow on Twitter, who was Twitter friendly with lots of celebrities, said how they used their sparkly diamanté purse and it made the cashier at the shop confident about calling her ‘ma’am’. They have long hair and wear dresses and heels and have sparkly purses and think that means a woman. Women can wear flats, and trousers, and have short hair, and not wear makeup but it doesn’t make them men. It’s back to the 50s and I just don’t get it. Harry Styles enjoys skirts lace and ruffles. Waiting for everyone to decide he is trans but he seems to be resisting that so far, which is good. Man with sparkly purse, go for it.
Saw this post on another forum, defending transwomen taking part in women's sports
"Aren't sports typically looking for people with natural advantages. Look at Michael Phelps. The man not only has unusually long limbs, giving him a fairly unique edge in swimming, but his body doesn't even produce the normal amounts of lactic acid.
I guess the rules change if those advantages prevent cis white women winning events, I guess; then we put Black women through demeaning and dehumanizing screening processes or randomly declare Chinese athletes 'must' be trans to have won. Or run extremely gross checks on the genitals of children. "
It's always "cis white" people that these sorts take real issue with, isn't it?
"Aren't sports typically looking for people with natural advantages. Look at Michael Phelps. The man not only has unusually long limbs, giving him a fairly unique edge in swimming, but his body doesn't even produce the normal amounts of lactic acid.
I guess the rules change if those advantages prevent cis white women winning events, I guess; then we put Black women through demeaning and dehumanizing screening processes or randomly declare Chinese athletes 'must' be trans to have won. Or run extremely gross checks on the genitals of children. "
It's always "cis white" people that these sorts take real issue with, isn't it?
I just don't understand the people who want trans women to be treated as women but insist on differentiating between cis and trans women at the same time. In a lot of the general society where your gender has no 'huge' effects (though gender biases are pretty big, but they're usually not the most obvious thing) by referring to these two 'types' of women you're just drawing distinctions. I mean, saying 'cis' alone is basically the politically-correct way of saying that the person is an actual/biological woman, and even then some trans people choose to use that as an insult
It just really feels like the group will be stuck in this victimised position because of their own language use. Sure, there's room for the general society outside of the community to change that language too but it's not really an issue that affects us and would have to be led by them
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It's surprising how much of the discussion is based on hormones rather than the fact that women and men are physically different also. I don't remember who or in which thread it was (or maybe it was even reddit) but someone pointed out that the time differences between men and women for some sports, especially running, are huge. Having fully transitioned won't change that
It just really feels like the group will be stuck in this victimised position because of their own language use. Sure, there's room for the general society outside of the community to change that language too but it's not really an issue that affects us and would have to be led by them
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It's surprising how much of the discussion is based on hormones rather than the fact that women and men are physically different also. I don't remember who or in which thread it was (or maybe it was even reddit) but someone pointed out that the time differences between men and women for some sports, especially running, are huge. Having fully transitioned won't change that
This is an article although not sure it's the one that was on here a couple of weeks ago https://law.duke.edu/sports/sex-sport/comparative-athletic-performance/
According to this article Alyson Felixs PB for 400m was exceeded 15,000 times in 1 year by Men as was Tori Bowies 100m PB. Both Women are World, Olympic and US Champions. An elite Female athlete cannot even compete with an average Male club runner ffs.
Down the slippery slope we go https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/weightlifting/57013419
Ugh. Where are the journalists that will call this what it is. Cheating
God I could help looking that story up on twitter (why do I do that to myself?) and saw the response
“Personally, I think we should ban all strong people from weightlifting, as they have an unfair natural advantage.”
I’m sure the person who came up with that thought they were incredibly clever, actually they seem really pleased with themselves by some of their other replies.
Is it wrong that as awful as it is for those women who have worked so incredibly hard I think it will take something like a MtF winning an Olympic gold medal in women’s weightlifting for people to take notice? I almost hope they win to bring some coverage to the subject
“Personally, I think we should ban all strong people from weightlifting, as they have an unfair natural advantage.”
I’m sure the person who came up with that thought they were incredibly clever, actually they seem really pleased with themselves by some of their other replies.
Is it wrong that as awful as it is for those women who have worked so incredibly hard I think it will take something like a MtF winning an Olympic gold medal in women’s weightlifting for people to take notice? I almost hope they win to bring some coverage to the subject
Well it's only a problem when these athletes take prizes away from white cis women after all....
God that just sums up a generation of people who've never been told no
if you're an elite athlete who has worked hard you should be excluded because it's not fair on those who aren't 
Kinda pissed I can’t have breast reduction due to large and uneven breasts as it is deemed to be a psychological problem but this person can get bottom surgery because of the mental trauma it is causing them. The NHS needs to make their rules uniformed throughout otherwise it’s just unfair.
As a feminist I dream of a world where sports are no longer segregated by gender, I dream of a world where men hold every title and medal and young girls* have no incentive to pursue sports. If you disagree you may be an a.) facist b.) terf
*bonus points if these young girls go on to be totally empowered sex workers
*bonus points if these young girls go on to be totally empowered sex workers
Sorry not sorry but Laurel Hubbard is hideous
Just a mediocre male weightlifter so he has to steal the show from women. Should’ve stayed in retirement
Just a mediocre male weightlifter so he has to steal the show from women. Should’ve stayed in retirement
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