I agree completely. Even the everyday mental load women tend to put up with when it comes to running a home and bring up children makes me furious.
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Why is a man going out in makeup and typically feminine clothing "brave"? Men really have to do so little for a pat on the back.
One of the most telling things from reading countless trans widows stories, aside from how all the patterns of behaviour are the same, is how the "I'm a woman now" nonsense only ever extends to lingerie, clothes, makeup and sexual subservience (because of course they think women are just sexually submissive holes for dicks), but never to picking up the bulk of the housework, childcare, caring for elderly relatives, all the labour done primarily by women.
One of the most telling things from reading countless trans widows stories, aside from how all the patterns of behaviour are the same, is how the "I'm a woman now" nonsense only ever extends to lingerie, clothes, makeup and sexual subservience (because of course they think women are just sexually submissive holes for dicks), but never to picking up the bulk of the housework, childcare, caring for elderly relatives, all the labour done primarily by women.
Exactly. The ‘invisible work’ and mental load is not something these men are pining after. They don’t get feckin gender euphoria at having to be the one who does everything around the house, deals with all the childcare, being treated like a second class citizen, getting paid less…it’s all on the physical which tells you all you need to know. I may be farting in the wind here saying this for the umpteenth time but woman is not a costume.
I was left with a six week old baby, and he never came back.
baby is now 21.
Yes, people though he was a tit/horrible etc, but it wasn't exactly a scandal.
Completely unthinkable for a woman to do it, I'd imagine they'd be an outcast.
Wiki is here for those who mentioned it: https://tattle.life/wiki/gender-discussion/
My cousin’s wife left him when their baby was around six months old and he raised the boy by himself (with his mum’s help). The mother had sporadic contact for a couple of years then nothing. My cousin did a good job raising his son but to hear people talk you would think he was superman, far more praise than a woman gets for being a single parent.
This is why I’m not bothering to engage with this particular game.
Their agenda is writ so large it’s probably visible from space.
This is a brilliant list, and one I wish could be openly discussed.@SueDoyou
I made you a list of our views and concerns. I hope this helps you understand the general views we have.
these spaces tend to be very active for two reasons: 1) many of us are progressive and cannot say these things in progressive spaces without risking our employment and/or friendships 2) when you get “peaked” you become horrified by how far gender ideology has gone and what it has allowed in.
Because it’s so controversial, people from many walks of life come here or to spaces like it, which means that you’re going to get conflicting opinions. There are radical feminist opponents to gender ideology (), conservative opponents and people who fall somewhere in between.
I think issue 1) means many people that comment on this online have an account devoted to just this, but to an outsider, it looks like all we care and think about is this and are thus irrational. I promise you that many of us are perfectly rational
Here are many of the prevailing views on this issue from a radical feminist POV:
Sex = biological sex. It is immutable in humans
- Your sex defines you as a man or a woman
- Gender = social etiquettes taught to each human sex, varying slightly across the world but generally anything that could be defined as socially masculine or feminine
- Transsexual = someone who experiences long-term gender dysphoria and accordingly medically and surgically transitions to present as the opposite sex, but whose biological sex does not change. This is a rare mental illness.
- Some of us think it is OK for transsexuals to transition, following support for other mental issues is explored first and after a long safeguarding process, once they are adults as children are not in a position of mental development to make a permanent decision like this. Those of us who believe there are “genuine transsexuals” recognise not transitioning before adulthood makes transitioning harder for them, but that does not come above child safeguarding. Some think transitioning is not OK regardless of circumstance and there are no genuine transsexuals
- Transgender = someone who may not necessarily experience dysphoria but identifies as the opposite gender. May or may not transition beyond wearing gendered clothes. Is trans on the basis of gender rather than sex. We are critical of this because gender is a social construct
- Nonbinary falls into the same group as transgender
- Women are oppressed on the basis of their sex in a way men are not (e.g. higher levels of rape, FGM) and our comparative physical weakness is used against us by men, who are physically more powerful than us and have oppressed us for hundreds if not thousands of years
- The male sex is more violent than the female sex, sexually and otherwise, and towards women than vice versa. These statistics are reflected in how a higher proportion of transsexual women are incarcerated for sexual and violent crimes than biological women
- Through trying to insist that there is no difference between a transgender woman and a “cis” or biological woman, and refusing to distinguish on the basis of sex rather than gender, the gender ideology movement is effectively writing over this history, and is obscuring valuable data we need to measure and work against violence against and oppression of women. It also incorrectly insinuates trans women and not trans men experience sex-based oppression in the same way biological women do, which isn’t really true because they are not female.
- This obstructs feminist movements in achieving parity between the sexes. for example workplaces collecting data on women’s access to male-dominated fields will gather skewed data if they do not distinguish via sex but gender instead - eg, trans women are socialised as men growing up and this receive encouragement to go into STEM that biological women do not. If a company does not distinguish between biological women and trans women in its data collection, and many trans women work in STEM roles, it may end up believing it has improved access for biological women when it hasn’t. There are other more nefarious examples of this problem
- Men are generally physically stronger than women, which means that if sports are not separated by sex, women will win infrequently. It also is not safe for women and men to compete in many sports owing to how much stronger men are than women - especially the strongest man vs the weakest woman in a contest
- Self-ID is a portion of gender ideology that dictates that any person can declare that they are trans at any point, and be recorded and treated accordingly
- “Gender”-based spaces are problematic where they occur with self-ID, as it means that men can just declare they are trans women and not be required to prove it in any way as to ask them this would be questioning their gender identity which is transphobic. It would become significantly difficult to prove that a man is in a women’s space with bad intentions if there is no legal reason why he (“she”) should not be in that space
- Puberty blockers are not reversible and are frequently followed by hormone treatments like estrogen/testosterone supplements. We are concerned by their prescription to children and young people as CYP are exposed endlessly to the notion that these treatments *are* reversible. They are not accessing these treatments with a proper understanding of their effects, and the silencing of our concerns exacerbates this. Many pro-trans orgs take the view the treatments are reversible and are too quick to recommend children go on them, eg Mermaids and the late Tavistock gender clinic
- We take issue with the notion that sexual orientation is gender- rather than sex-based, as many lesbians, gay men, and straight people are certain their SO is sex-based and biologically, this makes sense. it is wrong to suggest they are bigoted for their sexual orientation, especially given the history of lesbian and gay men being forced to have sex with the opposite sex and discriminated against for having sex with the same sex
- We object to the notion that these views, often called “gender critical”, are unacceptable, as it means silencing the concerns we raise
- We are concerned by orgs like Stonewall pushing gender ideology - it expects compliance from all organisations it partners with and risks the jobs of people with gender critical views. In higher education, government, healthcare and policy, it enables the problems we identify to continue
This is by no means exhaustive. I hope you can see that many of us are not crazy transphobes. We are just normal people like you
Its the kind of questions/comments it would be great to send out to politicians at the moment, to see how they respond.
This made me laugh 
Exactly, not that he didn't do a great job of course but it's just so different.
I bet he got far more offers of help than his single Mum peers too.
Good to see a lot of Americans haven't sided with the anti abortion Republican policies in their recent vote.
There's some hope for American women anyway.
There's some hope for American women anyway.
@JAR21
thank you! I can’t see the wiki attached anywhere in this thread. You can see it when you search “gender discussions” though. There is a lot of other helpful information there. It’s a shame it’s mysteriously detached from the threads themselves
thank you! I can’t see the wiki attached anywhere in this thread. You can see it when you search “gender discussions” though. There is a lot of other helpful information there. It’s a shame it’s mysteriously detached from the threads themselves
But still, some random TRAs will come to this thread to tell us we are lying and these people don’t exist in real life…
Women are expected to be the default parent which is why single dads are put on a pedestal. Imagine a man having to do the bulk of the care work/ house work/wife work 
That’s why you always see widowed men moving on lightning fast with new women, and although people might be surprised, they find it understandable.
Speaking of single parenthood, I saw a Tiktok today of a 30yo woman chronicling her life as a single mother after getting pregnant during a ONS. She seemed nice and she explained that she’d given the father the opportunity to have a role in the baby’s life but he wasn’t interested. So far so typical.
One of the comments was praising her for portraying “queer parenthood” so positively.
Queer? What’s queer about a man knocking up a woman and disappearing into the sunset?
Then I remembered queer theory being all about “queering” social norms including the family and thought ah… that’s what you mean. Anything can be queer as long as you say it is so.
That’s why you always see widowed men moving on lightning fast with new women, and although people might be surprised, they find it understandable.Speaking of single parenthood, I saw a Tiktok today of a 30yo woman chronicling her life as a single mother after getting pregnant during a ONS. She seemed nice and she explained that she’d given the father the opportunity to have a role in the baby’s life but he wasn’t interested. So far so typical.
One of the comments was praising her for portraying “queer parenthood” so positively.
Queer? What’s queer about a man knocking up a woman and disappearing into the sunset?
Then I remembered queer theory being all about “queering” social norms including the family and thought ah… that’s what you mean. Anything can be queer as long as you say it is so.
So all single parents are queer then? I don’t get it. Was the woman herself queer? I hate the word queer by the way, gives me the shivers.Women are expected to be the default parent which is why single dads are put on a pedestal. Imagine a man having to do the bulk of the care work/ house work/wife work
Speaking of single parenthood, I saw a Tiktok today of a 30yo woman chronicling her life as a single mother after getting pregnant during a ONS. She seemed nice and she explained that she’d given the father the opportunity to have a role in the baby’s life but he wasn’t interested. So far so typical.
One of the comments was praising her for portraying “queer parenthood” so positively.
Queer? What’s queer about a man knocking up a woman and disappearing into the sunset?
Then I remembered queer theory being all about “queering” social norms including the family and thought ah… that’s what you mean. Anything can be queer as long as you say it is so.
Crackers.Women are expected to be the default parent which is why single dads are put on a pedestal. Imagine a man having to do the bulk of the care work/ house work/wife work
Speaking of single parenthood, I saw a Tiktok today of a 30yo woman chronicling her life as a single mother after getting pregnant during a ONS. She seemed nice and she explained that she’d given the father the opportunity to have a role in the baby’s life but he wasn’t interested. So far so typical.
One of the comments was praising her for portraying “queer parenthood” so positively.
Queer? What’s queer about a man knocking up a woman and disappearing into the sunset?
Then I remembered queer theory being all about “queering” social norms including the family and thought ah… that’s what you mean. Anything can be queer as long as you say it is so.
My great aunt took my mother to court for custody of me as a kid (concerns about neglect etc.) and won. I wonder if she knows she's queer
. I'll give her a call and tell her.We've mentioned a couple of times on here how a South Korean woman was doxxed, harassed, and threatemed by TRAs because she blocked one of them for harassing her via her fanblog. They sent her details to local "men's rights" groups in Korea and she was subsequently beaten up. Well they've now moved on to harassing a fifteen-year-old girl whose name and address they're now posting publicly and sending her rape and death threats every day. I wish I were making this up
What happened to education?
That’s scary knowing how Anti feminist Korean men are.
I’ve noticed this feminist hate train is a worldwide thing for men all around the world, yeah libfems are annoying, mainstream and set women back but not all feminist have the same views or beliefs.
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I don't like the word either.
Back in my day (and I'm not old), 'queer' was exclusively used as a homophobic slur which is how I still see it.
Now it seems to be used as a positive thing, but hasn't really been reclaimed by gay people per se, it seems to just mean anyone who doesn't quite live up to societal norms - regardless of sexual orientation. I just don't get it.
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