Every single POC does. This isn't even just about Lewis, this is an influential man using racial slurs like everyday language. It's disgusting.Was just looking at Lewis’s highlight of some of the fantastic T-shirts he’s worn and makes me sad that is still going on 2 years later. He deserves a lot more respect!
Absolutely there is no place for it for any POC! I thought Lewis was very clever not naming in his statement but then replying to that tweetEvery single POC does. This isn't even just about Lewis, this is an influential man using racial slurs like everyday language. It's disgusting.
And re drivers just saying fuck it and name him and call him out, they can't either. They can be sued as well, even Lewis himself couldn't call him out by his name.
I agree ! It has often been talked in here but being liberal doesn’t always mean that you will stand up for racism nor being one !Everything has been said and I’ve nothing else to add except for I cringe at the thought of what Lewis was called last year in private. My thoughts are with Lewis and other people of colour or people from different ethenic backgrounds who have to deal obvious racism and micro aggression in their daily life’s, I can’t imagine how exhausting it it
Just to say also I’ll be very very disappointed if Daniel and other drivers don’t at-least retweet statements against this. I know Lando has already. I’m kind of disappointed how long it took McLaren to make a statement, everything is so PR these days when somethings shouldn’t need big discussions to realise a short statement against racism
Come and prove what a King you are Lewis and let's give racism a good pounding together. My hole sounds like a good place to start!Happy 109 people.
Lewis says hi and fuck the haters
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I wish they speak out too. If they are afraid they will say something wrong, then they don't understand what people of color are going through. Like you said, it is no use with statement, any one can right it and post it there, it is not genuine.I’m not getting my hopes up on any statements, I wish they’d speak out, that’s not it, but they’re all too terrified to say something wrong or get misunderstood. They’re not realizing that saying something wrong may be better than silencing the topic. But also I don’t want them to be pressured into making a statement because then it wouldn’t be genuine.
Well, he could sue them for defamation like you said. I imagine he'd use that argument that it means something else in Brazil and therefore people are wrongly so accusing him of being racist and ruining his reputation. Nelson is, sadly, an influential man and could spin the narrative however he likes. I can't believe we live in a world where someone who wants to call a racial abuser by his name is facing more legal consequences than the one who's saying these things in the first place.what is fucked up is that in such business environment, PR and legal stuff can be used as an instrument (or excuse often ) to not speak out loud against obviously harmful thing, this is not what PR and law are for. I get the entanglement of the teams, with all the money needed and different sponsors (some questionable, whole another story), but it's fucked up
on the other hand, what exactly would Nelson sue them for? for claiming the obvious fact and saying he's a racist or -more legally safe - saying that he "used words that one may consider to be of racist nature"? I don't know what are the rules of defamation according to law that would be applicable in such case country wise, but stating facts is not defamation.
Racist insults spoken publicly however are penalised by criminal law, at leats where, so....
the only reason I see for not naming him directly is not to make him popular or his name trending *laughing through tears*
It's honestly disappointing when the system makes it so that people are more afraid of calling out someone who made a racist comment than actually making the racist comment.what is fucked up is that in such business environment, PR and legal stuff can be used as an instrument (or excuse often ) to not speak out loud against obviously harmful thing, this is not what PR and law are for. I get the entanglement of the teams, with all the money needed and different sponsors (some questionable, whole another story), but it's fucked up
on the other hand, what exactly would Nelson sue them for? for claiming the obvious fact and saying he's a racist or -more legally safe - saying that he "used words that one may consider to be of racist nature"? I don't know what are the rules of defamation according to law that would be applicable in such case country wise, but stating facts is not defamation.
Racist insults spoken publicly however are penalised by criminal law, at least where I am (how the law works in practice is also whole another story)
the only reason I see for not naming him directly is not to make him popular or his name trending *laughing through tears*
Oops Imola didnt see your post before I posted but exactly this!Well, he could sue them for defamation like you said. I imagine he'd use that argument that it means something else in Brazil and therefore people are wrongly so accusing him of being racist and ruining his reputation. Nelson is, sadly, an influential man and could spin the narrative however he likes. I can't believe we live in a world where someone who wants to call a racial abuser by his name is facing more legal consequences than the one who's saying these things in the first place.
You’ve opened a legal can of worms now and I’m ready to bore you all to tears with the answer hahahaAlso is there a reason why they are unable to directly name Piquet in their statements?
Thank you for explaining this! It must be exhausting for LH to have to deal with this constantly. KP liking the post is astonishing reallyYou’ve opened a legal can of worms now and I’m ready to bore you all to tears with the answer hahaha
If any person or team with sufficient influence was to outright name him it would open them up to defamation claims from Nelson.
By definition, defamation is making a statement that has caused or is likely to cause harm to someone’s reputation.
You may be saying ‘well he’s done that himself by making that statement’ and whilst that’s true, the exposure the drivers and the teams have means any statement they could make naming him would increase the number of people who know about the issue and would cause more harm to his reputation than already existed before they posted.
Under UK law Nelson would have to prove four points (1) a defamatory statement was made, (2) the statement was published by the defendant (in this case it could be a team or person) (3) the statement refers to Nelson and (4) the defamatory statement is likely to cause serious harm to his reputation.
There are defences which the defendant would have the burden to prove (truth, honest opinion, privilege, public interest etc.) but these would be hotly contested by both sides and a legal case would drag on for a year at the very least unless they decided to pursue alternative dispute resolution or settle the matter before trial. Any settlement would likely involve compensatory payments and public apologies/retractions.
Thank you for the in-depth explanation! Yeah I kind of guessed the whole defamation part eventually which is why I said what I said above. Sad state of affairs that people can't even properly be called out for the horrible things they say in cases like these.You’ve opened a legal can of worms now and I’m ready to bore you all to tears with the answer hahaha
If any person or team with sufficient influence was to outright name him it would open them up to defamation claims from Nelson.
By definition, defamation is making a statement that has caused or is likely to cause harm to someone’s reputation.
You may be saying ‘well he’s done that himself by making that statement’ and whilst that’s true, the exposure the drivers and the teams have means any statement they could make naming him would increase the number of people who know about the issue and would cause more harm to his reputation than already existed before they posted.
Under UK law Nelson would have to prove four points (1) a defamatory statement was made, (2) the statement was published by the defendant (in this case it could be a team or person) (3) the statement refers to Nelson and (4) the defamatory statement is likely to cause serious harm to his reputation.
There are defences which the defendant would have the burden to prove (truth, honest opinion, privilege, public interest etc.) but these would be hotly contested by both sides and a legal case would drag on for a year at the very least unless they decided to pursue alternative dispute resolution or settle the matter before trial. Any settlement would likely involve compensatory payments and public apologies/retractions.
and probably the case would gather him some fans and defenders....You’ve opened a legal can of worms now and I’m ready to bore you all to tears with the answer hahaha
If any person or team with sufficient influence was to outright name him it would open them up to defamation claims from Nelson.
By definition, defamation is making a statement that has caused or is likely to cause harm to someone’s reputation.
You may be saying ‘well he’s done that himself by making that statement’ and whilst that’s true, the exposure the drivers and the teams have means any statement they could make naming him would increase the number of people who know about the issue and would cause more harm to his reputation than already existed before they posted.
Under UK law Nelson would have to prove four points (1) a defamatory statement was made, (2) the statement was published by the defendant (in this case it could be a team or person) (3) the statement refers to Nelson and (4) the defamatory statement is likely to cause serious harm to his reputation.
There are defences which the defendant would have the burden to prove (truth, honest opinion, privilege, public interest etc.) but these would be hotly contested by both sides and a legal case would drag on for a year at the very least unless they decided to pursue alternative dispute resolution or settle the matter before trial. Any settlement would likely involve compensatory payments and public apologies/retractions.
Thank you for this great and easy to understand postYou’ve opened a legal can of worms now and I’m ready to bore you all to tears with the answer hahaha
If any person or team with sufficient influence was to outright name him it would open them up to defamation claims from Nelson.
By definition, defamation is making a statement that has caused or is likely to cause harm to someone’s reputation.
You may be saying ‘well he’s done that himself by making that statement’ and whilst that’s true, the exposure the drivers and the teams have means any statement they could make naming him would increase the number of people who know about the issue and would cause more harm to his reputation than already existed before they posted.
Under UK law Nelson would have to prove four points (1) a defamatory statement was made, (2) the statement was published by the defendant (in this case it could be a team or person) (3) the statement refers to Nelson and (4) the defamatory statement is likely to cause serious harm to his reputation.
There are defences which the defendant would have the burden to prove (truth, honest opinion, privilege, public interest etc.) but these would be hotly contested by both sides and a legal case would drag on for a year at the very least unless they decided to pursue alternative dispute resolution or settle the matter before trial. Any settlement would likely involve compensatory payments and public apologies/retractions.
https://giphy.com/J2VDOcck3BN838J8SnThank you for this great and easy to understand postI love the wide range of professions we have on this thread
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