Eamon and Bec

[ellyjelly2]

To be fair that strikes me as something Eamon would do

Yeah it was Eamon

 

[Super_Berry]

Eamon then said that women who have estrogen positive breast cancers should be told about the risks of being pregnant. I couldn't believe my ears. No mention of the hormone medication. Did she just stop it without telling her doctor?

Another thing that caught my ear - she says that the vibe from her doctor after her first cancer battle was that she would never get cancer again. What?? First of all, her surgery margins were not good. There was cancer there. She was stage 3 and was told it was aggressive. She was told that she was NED and she thought that was it, no more cancer ever again. Saying that it was the doctor who suggested that there would be no cancer ever again is crazy.
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She did lose her hair during her first treatment.
That's exactly what they seem to be claiming. 'Inner work', meditation and 'alignment' are shrinking her tumours. It's extremely irresponsible what they are doing.

Sorry I meant with her second cancer. I was so confused when she didn't this time around given the diagnosis.

It also doesn't make any sense for a doctor to treat the first cancer and not tell her any of this. Surely they did? I think they just choose to spin a narrative to suit them.

 

[LeonorG]

Yes, but.. like a lot of people online have said, they purposely used a cliffhanger about the state of their baby (many people have figured she didn’t survive due to them not posting anything about the birth at all and then going dark for 3 weeks). It’s very manipulative to let people assume your baby has died (because no normal person wouldn’t just post something as simple as.. “baby is here and we are recovering”). They are a manipulative pair.

Of course this does mean that something is wrong with Bec and, as many predicted, it must mean her cancer is back and is likely at stage 4. It was a really really bad decision to have a baby this early after cancer remission.. just like her doctors have told her. Honestly, so selfish.
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At the time when the radiologist told her that it was a bad time to be pregnant, she was found to still have no cancer. But i agree with you that the increased estrogen due to the pregnancy must have caused this. After all, they were so eager for her to no longer be releasing estrogen that they had her deliver the baby 6 weeks early.

Also, I don't agree with toxic positivity and censoring of open discussion. Eamon and Bec have a business and the viewers are their clients. The clients will give them feedback and they should not get annoyed at that. It's only fair for watching them and bringing them so much money.

I like Eamon and Bec, I think they are genuinely good people with good intentions. On the other hand, their talk of positivity and energies and meditating for 5 hours in the morning (what a privilege of not having to go to work like regular people) is quite annoying. To me anyway.

Does anyone know why she had a tumour in her head? She never explained it. She seems to imply that that meant that the cancer was back. I never heard of tumours on the forehead and that they would indicate such.
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I'm a bit confused by the latest video, is she now undergoing more treatment?

Yes she said that the newest treatment shrunk the liver tumours that they are almost non existent and the bone spots also. She is no longer in pain from the bone tumours.

It is too sad and emotional for her to talk about it so the cancer talk was very brief. I think that's what happened to Delia Chatwin. She was also diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer like Bec. And they know each other and are friends. But anyway, Delia stopped posting videos and only gives a brief update here and there on instagram. Her posts usually rise even more questions as noone knows where her cancer is at now.

 

[LeonorG]

@LeonorG Have you been watching their podcasts? I thought it was a compelling premise, I also wanted to know what's gone on for the past 3 years. But, I'm having a really hard time getting through them, I watched the second one, but am only about 1/2 way through the first because I have to split it into segments. I'm finding them sooooo long and meandering, it's not capturing my attention like I thought they would.

I'm even finding myself getting annoyed. I think I am just long past their approach and life philosophy; been there, done that, that it's difficult for me to see them so untethered from reality.

I think I understand Eamon a bit better, his ADD or ADHD explains much of his own challenges in focus and inclination to flit all over the place in thought and activity. I appreciate his lack of monetary attachment and belief he'd be just as happy opening a sandwich shop. Of course, his comment about noticing that his own parenting video received much less views than is typical may refute that.

Once I get through the first one, I don't see myself being that interested in watching their guest interviews in the future.

I was just curious if you or anyone else was watching them and had any thoughts.

Suzeq, I would never survive a podcast with these two. I would have to skip through their extreme positivity babble. I bet they use words like 'alignment' a lot. I can't take it. I'm interested in where her cancer is and how it's dealt with with real medicine. I will tune in if that's discussed. I don't care about her 5 hour daily meditation routines.

Untethered from reality is a perfect way to put it! They live in the clouds somewhere. I don't think they can be taken seriously. Also, they are good people with good intentions but not very bright. They read a few self-help books and went on a few retreats and are now parroting those philosophies. You are finding yourself to get bored because you have already heard it all, plus you are much smarter than them.

I can't stand Eamon's cockiness. The way he spoke to Bec's doctor on the phone. So immature.

I will not watch them unless there are news about her cancer. I haven't seen anything since the last tiny cancer update.

 

[LeonorG]

Stage four metastatic breast cancer can be managed but never cured. There are lots of ‘treatments’ that help keep it under control/put it to sleep, however the cancer will eventually grow again and then hopefully there are new treatments that can get it back under control. There is also palliative care such as radiation to bones etc. Bec was really confusing as she spoke about having infusions? at the hospital but not allowing Eamon to film her as she no longer identifies with the person who does that? What did she mean? Is she having traditional treatments but just not acknowledging it and then claiming meditation alone is helping her? That’s really wrong and so and bloody dangerous. Or is she saying that was from the first time round and this time she isn’t doing any medical based treatments. They really were stupid to get pregnant and to try and sell the story their doctor told them to go out and start a family less than a year after having estrogen fed breast cancer. They had all the resources to find out exactly what her cancer was, the risks moving forward and chose not too. They had IVF ( which given her cancer was a big risk to take at the start ) and have five embryos waiting to go. I have followed them for years as I loved the van life stuff but to see them now is really sad. Bec has this toxic positivity and whilst I’m all for doing whatever you have to in order to cope, I do worry when her cancer progresses and it will, she will be devastated. Eamon isn’t allowed to say anything other than everything is going to be fine and they both say cancer was the best thing to happen and a gift!? No it’s not!! It will take Bec away from them, Frankie will lose her mummy. All round it’s a really sad situation, but I really don’t agree with putting out this power of the mind can heal met cancer crap. Also put a bloody life jacket on Frankie when she’s on the boat.

She wanted to have a baby naturally, in alignment with their crazy yogi ideologies.

I actually feel that Eamon has even less common sense than Bec. It sometimes feels like she is the mum and he is the hyper cocky kid. They are both quite gone mentally though. It's frightening to witness. And sad especially because they are actually good people.

These podcasts show how little they knew and know about her cancer. She speaks a lot about intuition and none about educating themselves about important stuff. They didn't seem to know what is a metastasis.

Count the times Bec says 'energies'.
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To me it seemed like the infusions was a current thing.

I now understand why she didn't want to come back to youtube and speaks very little about the cancer. She knows that if they start with the energies babble and meditation as cancer treatment, they will be heavily judged.

 

[gritz]

I'm a bit confused by the latest video, is she now undergoing more treatment?

Exactly that’s what I’m saying. Always a guessing game.

 

[KnickKnackPaddyWhack]

I listened to the latest pod earlier. They honestly sound like two people being indoctrinated into a cult, regarding that meditation fella they keep going on about. Seriously concerning to hear the pseudoscience Bec was parroting.

 

[Super_Berry]

Thanks for your update. I just wonder why she wasn't being monitored more in her pregnancy. She said she had (back pain, I think) and it was put down to normal pregnancy symptoms.

I just hope she's able to get the treatment to give herself enough time with her daughter. The fact it has spread to multiple places doesn't sound good at all. And when Eamon said there was no one else he wanted to mother his child, I couldn't help but think they know the outcome isn't good.

 

[LydiaDeetzHat]

I've met them and I'm genuinely sad about Bec's cancer but I just can't watch them anymore.. It's heartbreaking and all of the things you are all saying..

 

[ellyjelly2]

well thats fucking bs.. no doctor would say that as there is no guarantees

They said ( in the older vlog ) the doctor said the chance of her cancer coming back after a mastectomy was 10% and it was more or less the same if she chose a lumpectomy ( this was her second Op. I’m assuming this is alongside her taking Tamoxifen for 5/10 years. The fact they are saying their doctor told them to go and have a baby less than a year after her initial diagnosis is bollocks. I don’t believe a word of it.

 

[suzeq]

I never liked how Eamon would insist that everything was going to be alright, which completely invalidates any fears and deep emotions Bec may be feeling.

I was super annoyed hearing how he spoke down to her when she wanted nothing to do with smoking pot while she was pregnant, whereas he didn't see the big deal. Huh? Your partner has a miraculous natural pregnancy after cancer and cancer treatments - what are YOU even doing smoking pot around her? Might you have wanted to be a supportive partner and refrained from all substances yourself in solidarity with your pregnant partner? What was he doing criticising her choice not to partake?? That is so immature. This from a couple that are so big on healthy, clean living? My partner would have been sleeping out in that eco friendly guest solarium they've built if he was judgemental of my decision not to smoke pot whilst pregnant.

I don't quite understand why they take different shifts looking after Frankie separately? That is confusing to me why they sound like they are sleeping separately. Not sure about Frankie sleeping on the bed with him. Shouldn't she be getting used to a crib? Isn't there a risk of Frankie falling off the bed?

I am also not sure if I stand alone in this, but Bec's "mom guilt" for not being able to breastfeed. Or having guilt that she could not have that initial birth moment with Frankie since she had to be anaesthetised for the c-section. I really don't understand belabouring or dwelling on circumstances she can do nothing about. It was an exigent circumstance that required an urgent c-section. What is the point on spending a single moment feeling bad about events you have zero control over? Let's get it together and move on, you have a beautiful, healthy baby, you are going to need to learn flexibility and not to expect everything to work out the way that you want it to, raising children will reinforce this in you often. I really don't understand hanging onto negative feelings over things she has no control over. Sounds like Frankie received mother's milk anyway, plenty of kids are formula fed. She could have planned ahead for this anyway and researched and prepared contingency plans, even not being aware of how emergent the circumstances would become.

Maybe they might have availed themselves of internet support groups for pregnant women with estrogen sensitive breast cancer, these topics must be frequently discussed. It always astounds me that career vloggers don't spend the same time researching information and support for themselves that they expect their viewers to spend watching their own videos.

 

[LydiaDeetzHat]

The link between soya and cancer has been dispelled I think? Also their diet is pretty healthy, loads of veg, green tea etc so if anything this would be in Becs favour not against her.

exactly came here to say Japan where they practically live on soy has and has always had one of the lowest rates of breast cancer

 

[suzeq]

I am also so surprised thatt Eamon is no longer vegan. I can't recall if Bec said she still was? It was so incorporated into their van life and even offering their vegan recipes.

Seems so strange that he made such a fundamental change to part of their image branding, but did not mention it earlier.

Perhaps this switch over to watching him do home renos and such when they returned from their hiatus, they no longer found personal aspects of their lives important to share? I don't know if I missed it earlier, I also wasn't aware that recreational drug use and experimentation was part of his/their? lifestyle.

Also, I'm still not clear on Bec's cancer status? She is Stage 4, taking some kind of treatment as well as alternatives? Is she NED? Has she said her prognosis, or what happened to the metastases? or how it was treated? Is she scanned regularly? Is she now taking oestrogen blockers?

Has she said she is no longer sharing this part of her life publically, or will she update her viewership?

Thanks to anyone that has watched more than me and may know.

 

[suzeq]

There are people on reddit saying that her oncologist okayed her getting pregnant but even more are saying that that's not true and that he was shocked when they announced it to him.

Thanks for the reddit info.

She had frozen her eggs, or they had frozen embryos, once the breast cancer was diagnosed, wasn't she going through a recurrence scare right around the time of pregnancy? I don't remember her doctors sounding happy when she asked about the safety of the scans.

Apparently eamon eagerly wanted her to get pregnant before the cancer and he was not into modern medicine. Eamon strikes me as the more immature one in this couple.

I understand why Bec may choose to restrict negativity around her (understandable why they went completely dark all these months). But, they could have eliminated a lot of worry and concern from the energetic zeitgeist by not leaving their mass of subscribers fretting, worried and confused for so many months when they disappeared with no explanation leaving their audience's imagination to fill in an explanation. I'm sure their fans would have also preferred to focus positive healing energy on them if they'd been more forthright and not simply ghosted their subscribers, many of whom were left thinking the worst. The energy field could have been greatly improved with a basic explanation and request for healing energy.

Eamon seems to exhibit toxic/blind optimism. He would drive me mad; no matter what the circumstances, he refuses to view them realistically but instead gives absolute reassurances that everything will be perfectly fine. That blindness to reality would try my patience. IMO, it is important that he understand and respect her reality and show her support, not give immediate promises that everything will work out. To me, it feels like it negates her experience or fears when he never seems to be validating her experiences nor is he real about the gravity of the situation.

I agree, they do not appear open to sharing this chapter, they were very vague about so many important status details. It would be better if they were just straightforward: "we have decided to continue this journey in private" rather than give a partial narrative that puts even more confused energy into the atmosphere. Is she in treatment that has improved her health or is she trying to suggest that hours of meditation and allowing only positive energy around her has made an impact? What is her stage 4 prognosis? What do these stated improvements mean?

I don't envy content creators whose income is tied to their online presence, they create a monster that only grows with selective, partial disclosure and content. They are in a bind when half answers satisfy no one and their audience is reminded that we were only a means to an end and the vloggers were not as enamoured with sharing with us as we were with hearing from and supporting them in their journey. It is a reminder how one sided it is. Everyone wants to pull for her, but it's much harder to do when we're surrounded in mystery and with questions.

I refused to watch their last video which looked like a plug for Habit which feels so crass after their months long absence and the eventual release of such dire health news. I wasn't feeling up to celebrating their business anniversary.

 

[KnickKnackPaddyWhack]

Are they no longer vegan? They had eggs in the latest vlog.

Yep. That ship have sailed.

 

[LeonorG]

Could she be wearing a wig?

It looks like real hair to me. Bec never wore a wig during her cancer journey as far as I know.

 

[LeonorG]

This one is also misleading. She says they had no idea that getting pregnant could be dangerous for her in terms of the cancer returning. She says the doctor told them that she was NED and she can go live her life. He even told her that having kids is beneficial in terms of lowering cancer risk (this is true but the risk of cancer is much higher while pregnant and some time after giving birth). So she just stopped the hormones on her own without consulting it with the doctor and started to try for a baby? Wasn't she meant to take them for years??



Also, she says the recurrence was in the bones. She said before that it was in the liver and bones.

 

[puddleduck]

They are very experienced YTbers, I imagine they have thick skins by now to pick and choose what is helpful without throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

It is always a balance trying to sort through helpful support from those trying to help but with very unhelpful "advice" or demeanour. They are certainly entitled to ask for a certain mindset of those in their inner orbit, and to ask for healing, positive energy from their subs. I just don't think their blanket radio silence didn't increase ongoing negative energy when they left their subs confused and worried for months. I understand why they may not have wanted to share, though, but let's be honest, they weren't generating a positive energetic field by dropping off like that.

Eamon's perpetual positivity also seems counter to the support she needs to get through the real life events and the real fears associated with her experiences, and the decisions that need to be made based upon accurate info. I'd be so frustrated if my partner met me with "everything will be okay" when clearly everything was not okay and everything was not working out as well as he had promised it would. There's "looking on the bright side" and then there's ignoring all reality.

While not a health focus:



And:

Time to get real on the power of positive thinking – new study

Realists experience the highest long-term happiness

www.bath.ac.uk

Of course, that's not to say Bec can't face her challenges with determination and a positive, peaceful mindset. If it helps her to meditate for hours each day and she's able to, even with a young baby, then I see it very much in line with their brand and general approach to life. A quiet mind must help maintain healthy habits, good sleep and a strong constitution.

Generally speaking, they seem like decent people. I am sorry she is having to go through this. I wish her the best outcome possible.

Guess also dealing with the anniversary of her friends suicide, to whom she was very close and the baby named after.
Sometimes you just can't take anymore and you retreat to your safe place.
I like them and have only heard positive words about Bec from people who have met them.
Wishing her well as she can be x

 

[Abc987456x]

Yes, but.. like a lot of people online have said, they purposely used a cliffhanger about the state of their baby (many people have figured she didn’t survive due to them not posting anything about the birth at all and then going dark for 3 weeks). It’s very manipulative to let people assume your baby has died (because no normal person wouldn’t just post something as simple as.. “baby is here and we are recovering”). They are a manipulative pair.

Of course this does mean that something is wrong with Bec and, as many predicted, it must mean her cancer is back and is likely at stage 4. It was a really really bad decision to have a baby this early after cancer remission.. just like her doctors have told her. Honestly, so selfish.
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the baby was early and they posted the update on due date when hopefully all is looking good and healthy. They may have felt it was bad luck to post any updates until they felt baby was healthy enough. I hope they’re all doing okay

 

[suzeq]

I also found it a bit long. I found myself getting bored and I felt bad because I do like their videos usually. I also find it hard to listen to some of what they are saying. I am really happy for Bec that she's still here and doing well, but some of their chat about cancer and meditation is hard to listen to as someone whose sister died of cancer last year.

I'm not sure I'll listen to much more of them unless it gets better like their podcast before.

I'm glad it wasn't just me. I understand the break from social media, I really don't know how anyone can not be affected by comments, especially when dealing with such catastrophic news. Then again, they do peruse their DMs enough to have discovered their birth doula that way.

I will try to finish the first one, just to see if they eventually pull together their experiences from the past few years. That's a very expensive studio lease and the fellow working the camera, so I hope it works out. Perhaps Eamon could try for Amazing Race again with one of his fellow vloggers instead of Bec.

I extend my condolences to you in the loss of your sister.