Eamon and Bec

[MissB123]

Maybe the tumors on her head were from the spread of her bone cancer - mets on her skull maybe?

Hearing of all these vegans lately with cancer makes me wonder if they eat a lot of tofu, which is a form of soy I think. I can't remember all the reasons - tried to look it up: "Soy contains phytoestrogens, which can behave like estrogen in the body. Some studies have suggested that soy consumption may be linked to: Increased serum estrogen, Thyroid disorders, Male infertility, and Breast cancer"

From the Mayo Clinic:

It was once thought that soy foods increase the risk of breast cancer. However, eating a moderate amount of soy foods does not increase risk of breast cancer — or other types of cancer. A moderate amount is one to two servings a day of whole-soy foods, such as tofu, soy milk and edamame.

So where did the idea come from that soy increases breast cancer risk? Isoflavones, which are found in soy, are plant estrogens. High levels of estrogen have been linked to an increased risk of breast cancer. However, food sources of soy don't contain high enough levels of isoflavones to increase the risk of breast cancer.

Soy or isoflavone supplements, on the other hand, generally contain higher levels of isoflavones. Some studies have suggested a link between soy or isoflavone supplements and an increased risk of breast cancer in women who have a family or personal history of breast cancer or thyroid problems.

Talk with your doctor or dietitian before taking supplements.

I'm vegan and drink soy milk and eat tofu every day. Soy in food is protective against breast and other cancers. Because of my whole food plant-based diet, my cancer risk is lowered. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9410752/

They lived in a van. Gas fumes would likely be more of a threat than tofu.

 

[LeonorG]

Could she be wearing a wig?

It looks like real hair to me. Bec never wore a wig during her cancer journey as far as I know.

 

[suzeq]

@LeonorG Have you been watching their podcasts? I thought it was a compelling premise, I also wanted to know what's gone on for the past 3 years. But, I'm having a really hard time getting through them, I watched the second one, but am only about 1/2 way through the first because I have to split it into segments. I'm finding them sooooo long and meandering, it's not capturing my attention like I thought they would.

I'm even finding myself getting annoyed. I think I am just long past their approach and life philosophy; been there, done that, that it's difficult for me to see them so untethered from reality.

I think I understand Eamon a bit better, his ADD or ADHD explains much of his own challenges in focus and inclination to flit all over the place in thought and activity. I appreciate his lack of monetary attachment and belief he'd be just as happy opening a sandwich shop. Of course, his comment about noticing that his own parenting video received much less views than is typical may refute that.

Once I get through the first one, I don't see myself being that interested in watching their guest interviews in the future.

I was just curious if you or anyone else was watching them and had any thoughts.

 

[Super_Berry]

I also found it a bit long. I found myself getting bored and I felt bad because I do like their videos usually. I also find it hard to listen to some of what they are saying. I am really happy for Bec that she's still here and doing well, but some of their chat about cancer and meditation is hard to listen to as someone whose sister died of cancer last year.

I'm not sure I'll listen to much more of them unless it gets better like their podcast before.
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[suzeq]

I also found it a bit long. I found myself getting bored and I felt bad because I do like their videos usually. I also find it hard to listen to some of what they are saying. I am really happy for Bec that she's still here and doing well, but some of their chat about cancer and meditation is hard to listen to as someone whose sister died of cancer last year.

I'm not sure I'll listen to much more of them unless it gets better like their podcast before.

I'm glad it wasn't just me. I understand the break from social media, I really don't know how anyone can not be affected by comments, especially when dealing with such catastrophic news. Then again, they do peruse their DMs enough to have discovered their birth doula that way.

I will try to finish the first one, just to see if they eventually pull together their experiences from the past few years. That's a very expensive studio lease and the fellow working the camera, so I hope it works out. Perhaps Eamon could try for Amazing Race again with one of his fellow vloggers instead of Bec.

I extend my condolences to you in the loss of your sister.

 

[LeonorG]

@LeonorG Have you been watching their podcasts? I thought it was a compelling premise, I also wanted to know what's gone on for the past 3 years. But, I'm having a really hard time getting through them, I watched the second one, but am only about 1/2 way through the first because I have to split it into segments. I'm finding them sooooo long and meandering, it's not capturing my attention like I thought they would.

I'm even finding myself getting annoyed. I think I am just long past their approach and life philosophy; been there, done that, that it's difficult for me to see them so untethered from reality.

I think I understand Eamon a bit better, his ADD or ADHD explains much of his own challenges in focus and inclination to flit all over the place in thought and activity. I appreciate his lack of monetary attachment and belief he'd be just as happy opening a sandwich shop. Of course, his comment about noticing that his own parenting video received much less views than is typical may refute that.

Once I get through the first one, I don't see myself being that interested in watching their guest interviews in the future.

I was just curious if you or anyone else was watching them and had any thoughts.

Suzeq, I would never survive a podcast with these two. I would have to skip through their extreme positivity babble. I bet they use words like 'alignment' a lot. I can't take it. I'm interested in where her cancer is and how it's dealt with with real medicine. I will tune in if that's discussed. I don't care about her 5 hour daily meditation routines.

Untethered from reality is a perfect way to put it! They live in the clouds somewhere. I don't think they can be taken seriously. Also, they are good people with good intentions but not very bright. They read a few self-help books and went on a few retreats and are now parroting those philosophies. You are finding yourself to get bored because you have already heard it all, plus you are much smarter than them.

I can't stand Eamon's cockiness. The way he spoke to Bec's doctor on the phone. So immature.

I will not watch them unless there are news about her cancer. I haven't seen anything since the last tiny cancer update.

 

[suzeq]

I never liked how Eamon would insist that everything was going to be alright, which completely invalidates any fears and deep emotions Bec may be feeling.

I was super annoyed hearing how he spoke down to her when she wanted nothing to do with smoking pot while she was pregnant, whereas he didn't see the big deal. Huh? Your partner has a miraculous natural pregnancy after cancer and cancer treatments - what are YOU even doing smoking pot around her? Might you have wanted to be a supportive partner and refrained from all substances yourself in solidarity with your pregnant partner? What was he doing criticising her choice not to partake?? That is so immature. This from a couple that are so big on healthy, clean living? My partner would have been sleeping out in that eco friendly guest solarium they've built if he was judgemental of my decision not to smoke pot whilst pregnant.

I don't quite understand why they take different shifts looking after Frankie separately? That is confusing to me why they sound like they are sleeping separately. Not sure about Frankie sleeping on the bed with him. Shouldn't she be getting used to a crib? Isn't there a risk of Frankie falling off the bed?

I am also not sure if I stand alone in this, but Bec's "mom guilt" for not being able to breastfeed. Or having guilt that she could not have that initial birth moment with Frankie since she had to be anaesthetised for the c-section. I really don't understand belabouring or dwelling on circumstances she can do nothing about. It was an exigent circumstance that required an urgent c-section. What is the point on spending a single moment feeling bad about events you have zero control over? Let's get it together and move on, you have a beautiful, healthy baby, you are going to need to learn flexibility and not to expect everything to work out the way that you want it to, raising children will reinforce this in you often. I really don't understand hanging onto negative feelings over things she has no control over. Sounds like Frankie received mother's milk anyway, plenty of kids are formula fed. She could have planned ahead for this anyway and researched and prepared contingency plans, even not being aware of how emergent the circumstances would become.

Maybe they might have availed themselves of internet support groups for pregnant women with estrogen sensitive breast cancer, these topics must be frequently discussed. It always astounds me that career vloggers don't spend the same time researching information and support for themselves that they expect their viewers to spend watching their own videos.

 

[Super_Berry]

I can't believe he thought a little weed would be fine in pregnancy. I'm glad she talks about how hurt she was by this. But he's trying to justify it by saying if she did it and didn't internalise it then it would be fine. It's actually shocking to hear especially as I'm pregnant just now.

 

[suzeq]

I can't believe he thought a little weed would be fine in pregnancy. I'm glad she talks about how hurt she was by this. But he's trying to justify it by saying if she did it and didn't internalise it then it would be fine. It's actually shocking to hear especially as I'm pregnant just now.

Yes, exactly. You've got only 9 months to do the best job you can in forming a new human being. For him to be so cavalier and assert peer pressure no less to join him in a puff seems so reckless.

I realise his persona is risk taking, but this is just the height of irresponsibility to be doing it with the life of your unborn child, never mind Bec's feelings about this at such a sensitive time. So selfish and self centred. He needed to only do a quick Google search to understand what studies say about this, and he couldn't even do that.

People pleaser or not, I'm glad Bec had the fortitude to refuse.

Congratulations on your pregnancy!

 

[LeonorG]

Youtube recommended me this.
Eamon gives a generic self-help speech about choosing to be positive or some similar crap which I mostly skipped.
In a typical Bec fashion, she says that her scans and blood work are lookingamazing(whatever that means).
She says she had to advocate for her health a lot but didn't her medical team advise against getting pregnant in that time period and she ignored them?


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She is then asked what treatment she received once the baby was born. Bec says that there is no treatment as the original treatment didn't work so she had to find alternative treatment. What? Is she misinforming the viewers saying that there is no treatment for stage 4 breast cancer? Now she is babbling about the POWER OF THE MIND as means of treatment. So her treatment for stage 4 breast cancer is meditation and a lot of inner work.
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I have no words.
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Oh shut up Eamon about Bec's body making cancer in her stressed state and now being in ALIGNMENT.
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These two are positively doomed.
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One dumber than the other.
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She says her CELLS are listening.
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So to read between the lines, Bec had essentially refused traditional treatment for her stage 4 breast cancer. This is fine but don't say that there is no real treatment for it. She literally said that there isn't so she had to go the cuckoo holistic route.

 

[LeonorG]

So the oncologist told her she doesn't have long to live so what did she do? She WENT ALL IN AND STARTED MEDITATING.



Am I dreaming? Does she really think meditation is working?

@suzeq Help! I'm now watching their podcast. I am skipping a lot to get to the cancer bits though.

I think Bec is genuinely a good person. Empathetic. The death of Lee really affected her.

I wish she was smarter though.


She mentions getting infusions at the hospital.


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I wish she was more clear about the treatments. So was she getting real treatment?
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It's wrong to let people believe that her scans are good because of meditation.

 

[LeonorG]

This one is also misleading. She says they had no idea that getting pregnant could be dangerous for her in terms of the cancer returning. She says the doctor told them that she was NED and she can go live her life. He even told her that having kids is beneficial in terms of lowering cancer risk (this is true but the risk of cancer is much higher while pregnant and some time after giving birth). So she just stopped the hormones on her own without consulting it with the doctor and started to try for a baby? Wasn't she meant to take them for years??



Also, she says the recurrence was in the bones. She said before that it was in the liver and bones.

 

[Super_Berry]

What has happened to them? I used to love Eamon and Bec, but they are just giving out misleading information. It's like they went down this crazy internet hole after her first cancer. It's like different people.

Sure positive thinking etc will help you cope with a diagnosis and trying to remain as relaxed and calm as you can, but it can't get rid of the actual cancer. Are they really claiming that her scans and blood work look amazing because she does some mediation each day?

I always did wonder why she had her hair still because I assumed she would be on some kind of treatment. I'd like to know what the doctors have actually said because I don't think we are getting anywhere near the full story.

 

[ellyjelly2]

Stage four metastatic breast cancer can be managed but never cured. There are lots of ‘treatments’ that help keep it under control/put it to sleep, however the cancer will eventually grow again and then hopefully there are new treatments that can get it back under control. There is also palliative care such as radiation to bones etc. Bec was really confusing as she spoke about having infusions? at the hospital but not allowing Eamon to film her as she no longer identifies with the person who does that? What did she mean? Is she having traditional treatments but just not acknowledging it and then claiming meditation alone is helping her? That’s really wrong and so and bloody dangerous. Or is she saying that was from the first time round and this time she isn’t doing any medical based treatments. They really were stupid to get pregnant and to try and sell the story their doctor told them to go out and start a family less than a year after having estrogen fed breast cancer. They had all the resources to find out exactly what her cancer was, the risks moving forward and chose not too. They had IVF ( which given her cancer was a big risk to take at the start ) and have five embryos waiting to go. I have followed them for years as I loved the van life stuff but to see them now is really sad. Bec has this toxic positivity and whilst I’m all for doing whatever you have to in order to cope, I do worry when her cancer progresses and it will, she will be devastated. Eamon isn’t allowed to say anything other than everything is going to be fine and they both say cancer was the best thing to happen and a gift!? No it’s not!! It will take Bec away from them, Frankie will lose her mummy. All round it’s a really sad situation, but I really don’t agree with putting out this power of the mind can heal met cancer crap. Also put a bloody life jacket on Frankie when she’s on the boat.

 

[LeonorG]

Eamon then said that women who have estrogen positive breast cancers should be told about the risks of being pregnant. I couldn't believe my ears. No mention of the hormone medication. Did she just stop it without telling her doctor?

Another thing that caught my ear - she says that the vibe from her doctor after her first cancer battle was that she would never get cancer again. What?? First of all, her surgery margins were not good. There was cancer there. She was stage 3 and was told it was aggressive. She was told that she was NED and she thought that was it, no more cancer ever again. Saying that it was the doctor who suggested that there would be no cancer ever again is crazy.
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What has happened to them? I used to love Eamon and Bec, but they are just giving out misleading information. It's like they went down this crazy internet hole after her first cancer. It's like different people.

Sure positive thinking etc will help you cope with a diagnosis and trying to remain as relaxed and calm as you can, but it can't get rid of the actual cancer. Are they really claiming that her scans and blood work look amazing because she does some mediation each day?

I always did wonder why she had her hair still because I assumed she would be on some kind of treatment. I'd like to know what the doctors have actually said because I don't think we are getting anywhere near the full story.

She did lose her hair during her first treatment.
That's exactly what they seem to be claiming. 'Inner work', meditation and 'alignment' are shrinking her tumours. It's extremely irresponsible what they are doing.

 

[ellyjelly2]

She had her ovaries removed so I imagine that shut down her cancers food supply hence the cancer shrinking/markers down/less pain, I also believe she is getting treatment of sort from the hospital, that’s the thing, I want her to be clear what traditional treatments she is having. If the meditation is helping her then brilliant, I wouldn’t wish what she is going through on my worse enemy, but to put out that it’s the only thing helping is wrong on every level.

 

[Super_Berry]

Eamon then said that women who have estrogen positive breast cancers should be told about the risks of being pregnant. I couldn't believe my ears. No mention of the hormone medication. Did she just stop it without telling her doctor?

Another thing that caught my ear - she says that the vibe from her doctor after her first cancer battle was that she would never get cancer again. What?? First of all, her surgery margins were not good. There was cancer there. She was stage 3 and was told it was aggressive. She was told that she was NED and she thought that was it, no more cancer ever again. Saying that it was the doctor who suggested that there would be no cancer ever again is crazy.
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She did lose her hair during her first treatment.
That's exactly what they seem to be claiming. 'Inner work', meditation and 'alignment' are shrinking her tumours. It's extremely irresponsible what they are doing.

Sorry I meant with her second cancer. I was so confused when she didn't this time around given the diagnosis.

It also doesn't make any sense for a doctor to treat the first cancer and not tell her any of this. Surely they did? I think they just choose to spin a narrative to suit them.

 

[LeonorG]

Stage four metastatic breast cancer can be managed but never cured. There are lots of ‘treatments’ that help keep it under control/put it to sleep, however the cancer will eventually grow again and then hopefully there are new treatments that can get it back under control. There is also palliative care such as radiation to bones etc. Bec was really confusing as she spoke about having infusions? at the hospital but not allowing Eamon to film her as she no longer identifies with the person who does that? What did she mean? Is she having traditional treatments but just not acknowledging it and then claiming meditation alone is helping her? That’s really wrong and so and bloody dangerous. Or is she saying that was from the first time round and this time she isn’t doing any medical based treatments. They really were stupid to get pregnant and to try and sell the story their doctor told them to go out and start a family less than a year after having estrogen fed breast cancer. They had all the resources to find out exactly what her cancer was, the risks moving forward and chose not too. They had IVF ( which given her cancer was a big risk to take at the start ) and have five embryos waiting to go. I have followed them for years as I loved the van life stuff but to see them now is really sad. Bec has this toxic positivity and whilst I’m all for doing whatever you have to in order to cope, I do worry when her cancer progresses and it will, she will be devastated. Eamon isn’t allowed to say anything other than everything is going to be fine and they both say cancer was the best thing to happen and a gift!? No it’s not!! It will take Bec away from them, Frankie will lose her mummy. All round it’s a really sad situation, but I really don’t agree with putting out this power of the mind can heal met cancer crap. Also put a bloody life jacket on Frankie when she’s on the boat.

She wanted to have a baby naturally, in alignment with their crazy yogi ideologies.

I actually feel that Eamon has even less common sense than Bec. It sometimes feels like she is the mum and he is the hyper cocky kid. They are both quite gone mentally though. It's frightening to witness. And sad especially because they are actually good people.

These podcasts show how little they knew and know about her cancer. She speaks a lot about intuition and none about educating themselves about important stuff. They didn't seem to know what is a metastasis.

Count the times Bec says 'energies'.
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To me it seemed like the infusions was a current thing.

I now understand why she didn't want to come back to youtube and speaks very little about the cancer. She knows that if they start with the energies babble and meditation as cancer treatment, they will be heavily judged.

 

[andreaoid]

As a 34yo who lost her husband to cancer and further complications, I refuse to watch them anymore. duck their positivity! You're always told 'once a cancer patient, forever a cancer patient '. So, their naivety is astounding. And duck cancer!!

 

[Super_Berry]

As a 34yo who lost her husband to cancer and further complications, I refuse to watch them anymore. duck their positivity! You're always told 'once a cancer patient, forever a cancer patient '. So, their naivety is astounding. And duck cancer!!

I'm so sorry to read this. I lost my sister to cancer last year and she was just 33. I can't get over some of the stuff they are saying. I just want to shake some realism into them.