Eamon and Bec

[PuzzlesAndWine]

It's threads like these that make me so glad I'm not on social media & not famous. Christ the entitlement. Are you guys for real ?
You don't know them & yet are literally down in the dumps because 2 strangers you watch on the internet won't give you a run down of the exact cancer treatment they are having ! SHE HAS A BABY & THE OUTCOME DOES NOT LOOK GOOD. Can you imagine how that feels ? Are you thinking about your audience member Sarah from down the road who's feelings are hurt that you're first thought wasn't "Let's update Sarah!" & not maybe I don't know if I will get to see my child go to school ?
Sweet baby Jesus in heaven, stop whining & count your blessings you or someone you love isn't going through this !!

Huh?
And yes, putting yourself out there on social media takes guts. I couldn't do it, either. You build a huge following and a 'community' of many people who care about you and support you emotionally and financially, things could get a bit hectic when they start to get worried.

 

[Super_Berry]

What has happened to them? I used to love Eamon and Bec, but they are just giving out misleading information. It's like they went down this crazy internet hole after her first cancer. It's like different people.

Sure positive thinking etc will help you cope with a diagnosis and trying to remain as relaxed and calm as you can, but it can't get rid of the actual cancer. Are they really claiming that her scans and blood work look amazing because she does some mediation each day?

I always did wonder why she had her hair still because I assumed she would be on some kind of treatment. I'd like to know what the doctors have actually said because I don't think we are getting anywhere near the full story.

 

[Camperfan]

The link between soya and cancer has been dispelled I think? Also their diet is pretty healthy, loads of veg, green tea etc so if anything this would be in Becs favour not against her.

 

[ellyjelly2]

The wild mad smile from Bec is very off putting. It is crazy town and she is IMO following the cult of that Dr Joe guy. It’s toxic. I agree Eamon is as delusional as her in many ways, but I do think he knows better than to disagree with her about anything atm. Also looking back over their old vlogs and Bec talking about having to take Tamoxifen for 5/10 years, being grumpy about it but then reframing it to say it will stop her cancer coming back. There was a complete understanding about oestrogen and they have clearly chosen to ignore it and have a baby. I don’t like the way they have tried to throw the doctors under the bus. Take responsibility . They gambled and it did not work out.

 

[LeonorG]

So the oncologist told her she doesn't have long to live so what did she do? She WENT ALL IN AND STARTED MEDITATING.



Am I dreaming? Does she really think meditation is working?

@suzeq Help! I'm now watching their podcast. I am skipping a lot to get to the cancer bits though.

I think Bec is genuinely a good person. Empathetic. The death of Lee really affected her.

I wish she was smarter though.


She mentions getting infusions at the hospital.


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I wish she was more clear about the treatments. So was she getting real treatment?
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It's wrong to let people believe that her scans are good because of meditation.

 

[ohbabyee]

At the time when the radiologist told her that it was a bad time to be pregnant, she was found to still have no cancer. But i agree with you that the increased estrogen due to the pregnancy must have caused this. After all, they were so eager for her to no longer be releasing estrogen that they had her deliver the baby 6 weeks early.

Also, I don't agree with toxic positivity and censoring of open discussion. Eamon and Bec have a business and the viewers are their clients. The clients will give them feedback and they should not get annoyed at that. It's only fair for watching them and bringing them so much money.

I like Eamon and Bec, I think they are genuinely good people with good intentions. On the other hand, their talk of positivity and energies and meditating for 5 hours in the morning (what a privilege of not having to go to work like regular people) is quite annoying. To me anyway.

Does anyone know why she had a tumour in her head? She never explained it. She seems to imply that that meant that the cancer was back. I never heard of tumours on the forehead and that they would indicate such.
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Yes she said that the newest treatment shrunk the liver tumours that they are almost non existent and the bone spots also. She is no longer in pain from the bone tumours.

It is too sad and emotional for her to talk about it so the cancer talk was very brief. I think that's what happened to Delia Chatwin. She was also diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer like Bec. And they know each other and are friends. But anyway, Delia stopped posting videos and only gives a brief update here and there on instagram. Her posts usually rise even more questions as noone knows where her cancer is at now.

Isn’t it very sad and scary how so many young people are diagnosed with cancer lately 🥲

 

[suzeq]

I can't believe he thought a little weed would be fine in pregnancy. I'm glad she talks about how hurt she was by this. But he's trying to justify it by saying if she did it and didn't internalise it then it would be fine. It's actually shocking to hear especially as I'm pregnant just now.

Yes, exactly. You've got only 9 months to do the best job you can in forming a new human being. For him to be so cavalier and assert peer pressure no less to join him in a puff seems so reckless.

I realise his persona is risk taking, but this is just the height of irresponsibility to be doing it with the life of your unborn child, never mind Bec's feelings about this at such a sensitive time. So selfish and self centred. He needed to only do a quick Google search to understand what studies say about this, and he couldn't even do that.

People pleaser or not, I'm glad Bec had the fortitude to refuse.

Congratulations on your pregnancy!

 

[justonemorepage]

I'm nervous to watch it because I have a five month old and I just can't even begin to imagine what they have been through. I think I'll need a bumper pack of tissues to get through it. I really hope they are all okay now and I'm glad they've taken time away to heal. They've done the best thing for their family (and this is coming from someone who found them wildly annoying years ago and stopped watching them - way before her cancer diagnosis - but now I just genuinely wish them the best).

 

[#myownbusiness]

Ok I'm new here and I was so excited to see people discussing all the above and now I'm gutted the chat stops almost a month ago. Please save me from having to watch their pod and continue all your thoughts/analysis

 

[Pacho]

They said she’s stage 4 metastasis at the start of their video but they’re choosing not to focus on the “worry” and to live presently and imagine a future with 17 children and doing cartwheels. As someone who hasn’t experienced a life change like that, I imagine it takes a strong person to have that kind of mindset and focus. I think they’re incredible and inspiring people x

I agree. I think so too. I'm sick of reading all the comments, on reddit too, all the people saying they should of waited to get pregnant. Well they didn't, so what's the point in adding your 2 cents now ? How about being nice and positive for them & all other people going through similar. Why people need to add their thoughts to everything is beyond me. It's not helping anyone.

 

[ellyjelly2]

Happy Birthday Frankie….stick your finger in your candle!

 

[KnickKnackPaddyWhack]

This new episode is wild. Eamon seems to think that they should have another child because they have frozen embryos. He admits doctors will advise against it, but doesn't believe cancer can live in Becs anymore even with an estrogen spike with pregnancy.

Interesting there's actually more comments on this video about their attitude to cancer and how it feels like a slap in the face to people who have had cancer.

The comments defending them to people criticising them are wild. They’re never going to be you friend, no matter how much arse licking you do in the comments

 

[LeonorG]

Wow, their commenters are so respectful and diplomatic.

I watched a little, how ironic that I just mentioned the concern about Frankie falling off the bed...and it happened.



How coincidental, I had a friend describe an old episode of House to me recently pertaining to me. I had to search YT to locate it (and I did). Funny how you should mention that show as well.



I am noticing she interrupted him a lot after she asked him a question, yet listens quietly if the answer is a compliment towards her. I got the impression I was watching a mum and her young son, her trying to guide his response, or offer it herself, to what she was hoping to elicit. I think new age thinkers develop this overconfidence about themselves, it's a belief system where you believe your thoughts control your environment so it can lead to a sense of self importance. I see her lauding it over Eamon as though she is in control of everything.



I agree, placebo effect is great for feeling strong and feeling empowered. I always thought it was Eamon who demonstrated toxic positivity, not validating Bec's cancer or the seriousness of her condition, but always acting like everything would be fine. But Bec and her new age thinking is now doing the same thing.

I think one of the most important lessons in life is that we are often NOT in control of our circumstances. I am really against this false narrative espoused by new age thinkers that cancer (or name your illness) is caused by the internalisation of certain feelings or experiences. It leads to the impression that people are responsible for their condition. I am so against blaming people for not being able to "fix" their illnesses through a change in their thinking or belief system.

Children and babies die from cancer, for heaven's sake. They did not develop it through any false thinking on their part. People who die from cancer haven't failed to correct their self-limiting beliefs, and people who overcome cancer aren't simply better at it. I am enraged by this way of thinking and judgemental view towards others. I fear Bec is in for a painful realisation as well.

Yes even the critical comments are nice and diplomatic.

That's crazy about Frankie. I didn't watch that part. Instead of forever babbling about "being a new mum" and "mum guilt" (so much cringe), and forever going on about the "birth story" and the "special song", maybe they should take care of the baby instead.

I am noticing she interrupted him a lot after she asked him a question, yet listens quietly if the answer is a compliment towards her. I got the impression I was watching a mum and her young son, her trying to guide his response, or offer it herself, to what she was hoping to elicit. I think new age thinkers develop this overconfidence about themselves, it's a belief system where you believe your thoughts control your environment so it can lead to a sense of self importance. I see her lauding it over Eamon as though she is in control of everything. - I think she is in control of him. I guess because he is not very smart which makes her the smarter one. It's shocking how she is so confident about so much rubbish. It would be helpful if they said what treatment she actually received or is receiving. They intentionally don't speak about it and let people believe that meditation healed her stage 4 breast cancer. Very irresponsible.

I agree, placebo effect is great for feeling strong and feeling empowered. I always thought it was Eamon who demonstrated toxic positivity, not validating Bec's cancer or the seriousness of her condition, but always acting like everything would be fine. But Bec and her new age thinking is now doing the same thing. - I always thought he was the crazier one and more new agey but now it looks like she is even worse. Two fools together feeding each other's delusion creates a dangerous situation.

I think one of the most important lessons in life is that we are often NOT in control of our circumstances. I am really against this false narrative espoused by new age thinkers that cancer (or name your illness) is caused by the internalisation of certain feelings or experiences. It leads to the impression that people are responsible for their condition. I am so against blaming people for not being able to "fix" their illnesses through a change in their thinking or belief system. - Exactly. And that didn't stop them from kind of blaming the doctors. They said that he made them feel like she was cured and didn't let them know about pregnancy risks. I don't believe that. Did the doctor tell them it's ok to stop the medication and get pregnant? The reaction of the radiologist to her pregnancy tells me that they never consulted their medical team. I think she would eventually become stage 4 anyway, it was a late stage 3 cancer, aggressive and with bad margins. Maybe it would happen later on though. They are new age and they wanted a baby naturally and they convinced themselves that cancer is history. She had a lumpectomy because she wanted to breastfeed. Them being new agey informed all of their decisions.

Children and babies die from cancer, for heaven's sake. They did not develop it through any false thinking on their part. People who die from cancer haven't failed to correct their self-limiting beliefs, and people who overcome cancer aren't simply better at it. I am enraged by this way of thinking and judgemental view towards others. I fear Bec is in for a painful realisation as well. - How can someone be so stupid? She literally believes that cancer and ADD can be cured by changing one's thinking and re-wiring the brain.

 

[suzeq]

I agree. I think the long break from youtube was because of fear. It wasn't because they wanted their new cancer journey be private. They showed previously that such is not private to them and they are happy to share.

Their self-preservation and to survive this unscathed is very important to them. That's why they spoke as little as possible about the cancer this time.

They know they messed up and they are not able to admit it. How helpful it would be if they just said "Yes I got pregnant against medical advise. It is not recommended so early after cancer. In fact, it is seen as highly risky. The risk of recurrence when pregnant so early after my type of cancer is double. We should have been smarter and less immature. I really believed this would not happen to us. But now it's done and we have our beautiful daughter that we are so grateful for. The treatment is working and it's hopeful. Please listen to your doctors. Thank you for all your messages and we understand your worries. We have been building this community for 10 years and you deserve to be updated. None of this would have been possible without you."

Extremely well said!

I should add, it is them insisting on positive energy only. I was merely commenting on how they might have contributed to heightened negative energy in the force field by leaving everyone hanging in confusion for months, then returning with only half answers.

They could also turn off their comments to limit negative energy or exposure. But, of course they won't do that since it impacts the YT algorithm that pushes up their popularity, exposure and revenue.

 

[suzeq]

Hopefully she was or is getting some real treatment and it's not just hours of meditation. If so, she could just say it.

I like them and wish them the best although they are frustrating. They frustrate even more because they are likeable and you don't want this to end tragically.

Oh no, it sounds like you've gone down the rabbit hole! I feel the same way, they are generally very likeable people, character-wise, which makes this flight from reality so maddening. I too wish Eamon would grow up and be the kind of mature, grounded support that Bec really needs to help guide her through this difficult and very frightening period in her life.

I haven't watched any of these ones that are referenced, I found it so difficult to be left with still so many questions as they meandered through more than a couple hours of my time with the first two podcasts, bouncing around, yet never really saying much of anything at all.

I think I will become even more vexed with their continued lack of substantive information and suggestions of mind power and visualisation at work to clear her mind and thus, cure her cancer. I wonder if next we'll hear about them down in Mexico, another "influencer" being comped alternative treatments in exchange for promoting their sketchy outfit.

I hope she is in a clinical trial or on an immunotherapy; why seemingly intelligent people appear so quick to abandom treatments that have undergone significant evidence-based analysis in favour of alternatives with little to no scientific support or research is baffling. Why they have not joined an online information-sharing support group is beyond me, most especially when they are so familiar with the online connections that can be made through their own web-based businesses and YT channel. That she would be relying so heavily on new age concepts that aren't so new anymore yet still have failed to be subjected to scientific methods and rigour. Yes, there is a place for alternatives that have undergone safety testing. I only hope she continues to follow allopathic recommendations.

Sounds like they should be much more informed than they are presenting, which is so infuriating.

I so wish they would give a plain-speaking, clear update that lists status, current treatments and prognosis. It doesn't sound like that's been done and just more wasted time and frustration listening to them. They should be very well educated on her health and her cancer status and established treatment options.

Have they said why they chose to break their silence and speak on any of this at all? From the ones that I watched, I got the impression that Bec hadn't wanted to record or publish any of this at all. I wonder what changed.

I only wish for the best for them and Frankie, I really do. This is by no means a meanspirited whinging session. I really hope they are accessing Toronto's most renowned and skilled cancer specialists and are availing themselves of the most current and effective treatments known. I hope their practice of making new friends with Uber drivers or finding doulas via DMs is not extending to how she has assembled her cancer care team. She needs the very best medical advice and treatments. I really wonder about her spending any time on podcasts or regurgitating her history to the public. Is that really how their time is best spent?

 

[ellyjelly2]

Yes as much as I’m frustrated with them I genuinely think they are good hearted people ( not putting Frankie online though) and I want Bec to be able to mange her cancer well and to live with it for many years.

 

[LeonorG]

Thanks for your update. I just wonder why she wasn't being monitored more in her pregnancy. She said she had (back pain, I think) and it was put down to normal pregnancy symptoms.

I just hope she's able to get the treatment to give herself enough time with her daughter. The fact it has spread to multiple places doesn't sound good at all. And when Eamon said there was no one else he wanted to mother his child, I couldn't help but think they know the outcome isn't good.

I think she was monitored, she worried about a recurrence at the beginning of her pregnancy and was seen immediately. This is when the radiologist told her that this is not the time to be pregnant. Back pain is not that unusual during pregnancy so they put it down to that.

There are people on reddit saying that her oncologist okayed her getting pregnant but even more are saying that that's not true and that he was shocked when they announced it to him. Apparently eamon eagerly wanted her to get pregnant before the cancer and he was not into modern medicine. Eamon strikes me as the more immature one in this couple.

A lady diagnosed with the same cancer at the same time as Bec (reddit thread eamon and bec life update):

"I’m in treatment for the same type of cancer. She should have still been on drugs and hormone therapy that would have made pregnancy impossible. You are not supposed to attempt pregnancy until at least 18 months - 2 years of endocrine therapy are completed. I imagine she likely was also recommended two years of Verzenio following radiation and you definitely can’t get pregnant while taking Verzenio."

 

[Elpis]

It sounds a lot like Samantha Lynn. She did the hormone treatment but came off of it because she hated how she felt (and I think she desperately wanted to have a baby, as well.)

Now that she's back on hormone treatment, she doesn't have the same horrible symptoms, she says. And she says she doesn't regret her decision because of her little girl.

It's just such a nightmare to deal with this disease when you're so young.

 

[LydiaDeetzHat]

Ok I'm new here and I was so excited to see people discussing all the above and now I'm gutted the chat stops almost a month ago. Please save me from having to watch their pod and continue all your thoughts/analysis

sorry i used to be an avid viewer but I can't bring myself to tune into that car crash any longer. Their latest video was recommended to me over the weekend claiming they had joined a commune in Australia and featuring a censored pic of them naked on the thumbnail

 

[Super_Berry]

As soon as she talked about lumps on her head, my heart sank. I feel so sorry for them. She looked well in the video and I was surprised she had all her hair too, I assumed she'd be getting quite strong chemo if she had tumors in different places. Its great they are being strong and positive, but it must be so difficult.