Angharad Williamson and John Cole #2

[Milktray]

Nah suicide isn't justice. Most criminals would take that option as their only way out.

Personally I'd prefer for prisons to be toughened up and stop pandering to those who don't deserve human rights.
Make it less cushty for a start. Those who are serving such sentences need to really suffer the consequences.

 

[Rippedjeanmaybe]

Video and audio footage of this “mum” has come up on my Facebook, I’d vaguely heard of the case before but will read up on everything you guys have covered in the last thread. Have they given a motive for this? I can’t understand how the young person was convinced to assist them?!

ETA - by motive not that it’s understandable or justifying it, but an explanation as to why the mum did it? Eg there was long term abuse or new partner on the scene etc?

I don’t think the young person needed convincing at all. From the sounds of it, he was a vile character who was already depraved at the age of 13. He took pleasure in what he did, never mind being convinced, he wanted to do it. If you read up on it it will tell you everything you need to know.

 

[Boogs]

She’s a piss poor actress.

Yes very over dramatic. The only genuine emotion she showed was tears for herself. Vile creature.

 

[Milktray]

Not sure if I'm misreading you, however IW was never convicted of or even charged with such.

Criminal charge	Attempted rape of a child under 13 Sexual assault of a child under 13 Taking, making, or possessing indecent images of children Possessing an extreme pornographic image involving a sex act on an animal Possession of mobile phone in prison

Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things.

Oh he absolutely was. The sentencing remarks are too graphic to post and I wouldn't want to...but a 10 month old boy was definitely a victim.

 

[MissTeddy]

Good strong sentences.
Now - will the youth be named?

 

[hettywainthroppp]

There’s a post on the Facebook group that says that AW is appealing her sentence!!

How fucking dare she

 

[Gossngiggles]

I don’t know the area where they are but in my area spaces in residential care/children’s homes are few and far between. I imagine the SS didn’t have many options for him because of his behaviour and they stupidly thought it would be ok.
I used to live in a flat opposite a children’s home for teen boys around 10/11 years ago and it was awful, the kids were so troubled and there was always fights, broken furniture being removed and they would do stupid stuff like shine laser pens into our windows. The staff didn’t give a shit just did the bare minimum. It closed down in the end.

I‘ve said it so many times across so many child protection cases but the whole social services system needs a huge shake.up and a massive cash injection. The ‘lessons will be learnt’ line has been trotted out time and time again, promises of change and reform and then it happens again and these are just the cases that we hear about where a child has died. There will be many many others that don’t make the news. They will never catch all cases, that would be impossible but when they make such basic errors as they have down on the recent high profile cases you realise how broken things are.
Of course there are some excellent social workers out there and it is a really tough and often thankless job. But we need more of them.

 

[Rippedjeanmaybe]

I'm honestly of the opinion (perhaps unpopular!) that capital punishment should return for any serious crime involving a child (be it s!xual abuse, or murder). These people should lose any human rights they ever had, as anyone capable of hurting a child in some way does not belong in society & cannot be considered human.

I agree. These people should be stripped of all rights and they should never be allowed to walk the streets again. Lock them up, throw away the key and let them rot.

 

[Miss Perla]

13 year old lads are stupid (meant in the nicest of ways). They are still immature but they know right from wrong. No excuses for what he done. Cruel evil bully and if this had happened at 16 say, would we all be making excuses. We could say all evil, killers paedos ect are victims of their upbringing but happen to get sent to prison as an adult. They are born like that.
The social worker and their manager have obviously lied in there reports to the court and they should also be accountable. Nobody in their right mind would have allowed this set up.
There was also a baby in that house. Had he been cruel to him as well!

 

[ChampagneBox]

Genuine question, do you think they really will get a hard time in prison from other prisoners? It would give me a tiny bit of solace to know it will be hell in there for them

 

[Gossngiggles]

Has anyone been following the Sebastian Kalinowski trial? He was 15 and what his stepfather and his mother put him through was horrific. I think the judge is the same one who was on the Star Hobson case.

This is localish to me and I just can’t bear to read about it too much. That poor boy.

 

[hettywainthroppp]

They probably all will try but whether they can appeal the sentences is a different thing altogether.

Someone has commented on there that sometimes the outcome of an appeal can also be an extension on the current sentence so let’s hope that’s the case for her

 

[Tallulahbash]

I'm watching the ITV programme at the moment & have had to pause for a break because AW theatrics are making me furious. The patronising way she is speaking to the police and so very defensive, if only she had put half as much effort into looking after & defending her child! He might still be here. That sweet boy never stood a chance, absolutely heartbreaking

 

[Its_Me]

I thought it was interesting there was so much footage of the investigation for the programme, were they initially filming for something else?

 

[Pulltheotherone]

Sentence handed down at 2pm
The judge will rule on the application to name the youth / slug at 3pm.
I do hope they name him.

 

[thaliamay]

Glad they got the sentences they did, although the youths gonna get an easy ride of it I'm sure, he will be able to start over once out at 30 odd, which isn't at all fair.
Was surprised AW didn't argue or start being loud and dramatic.
Rip Logan

 

[Londoncailín]

Yes, I’d like to punch that bloody woman hard

She's beyond vile. Makes my blood boil.

 

[Cosytidy]

I think the incident in Summer 2020 where Logan broke/dislocated his arm & AW didn’t take him hospital & they tried to put his arm back into place prompted a SS referral & police investigation.
Add into that JC having convictions for child assault & DV there were multiple factors that put Logan at risk.

 

[Miss Perla]

This is horrible. I don't get why it can't be death for death... the fact there was a baby involved what was theirs together

death is too good for them. Easy way out!

 

[DollyDiamondxo]

Logan had his lovely curls all cut off because that JC wanted him to look more like him. Was this just before he died?
Someone, probably the little shits SW must have lied to the family court because who would think they would make a nice family unit.
JC violent with previous convictions. 13yr old violent towards animals and children.
Logan 5 yr old and vulnerable was on child protection order only weeks before.
A baby that hasn't been mentioned and a neurotic mother with supposed mobility issues. Not forgetting 2 bedroom flat.
Oh sounds like a fab idea.!!

It’s beggars belief isn’t it. It’s like waiting for a disaster to happen. I think whoever above said they did it so they could palm him off as nowhere would easily take him, so they placed him there, without much thought. I cannot believe how that boy spoke to the police, no fear at all! If he doesn’t fear police he’d certainly take no notice of social workers, teachers and foster carers