Angharad Williamson and John Cole #2

[Miss Perla]

I don’t agree with the rehabilitation bit for that young boy, he sounds too far gone for that. Not many will agree with me, but I have known kids with troubled pasts not behave a fraction of how bad he was. Imagine he got out and got a partner who had a child? It doesn’t bear thinking about really. That poor little boy must’ve had such a horrific life. All 3 of them bullied him, mistreated him, the poor dad I feel for, god bless him how awful knowing your child was going through that and you couldn’t save them because you didn’t know. I personally hope they never see the light of day again. I hope they get bullied the way they did Logan, and they never get a minutes peace again. Heartbreaking. The only case I’ve ever felt for the mother was the Star case. It’s clear as day AW was just as cruel to him and knew exactly what danger he was in. There isn’t even a word to describe her. RIP Logan, you’ll finally get some peace now

Agree with everything you have said 100%!

 

[Cosytidy]

So I'm guessing there will be an enquiry and Social Services will announce "Lessons have been learned" Well somebody fcuked up royally in those SS offices because it
doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that this family unit should never have been allowed.
Whoever done this, they played a big part in that little boys death and they also have a lot to answer for. Honestly what planet are these child Safeguarding people living on

I agree about the SS inquiry but it was the family court who made the decision to put the youth there, not SS.

 

[Its_Me]

The baby cannot be mentioned and neither can his previous offending because both are children of the offenders. There are now strict controls across the board meaning that information about the very existence of innocent, minor children in cases like this can’t be reported which means there are restrictions on reporting on that offending. This is because similar info allowed a rape victim to be identified via the Baby P case. The other woman can’t be identified either because of her privacy (I believe she is also a vulnerable person) so there is little more they can say on that.

Reading between the lines on the 2 households, it seems like although there may have been an element of maximising benefits, it may also have been because Cole wasn’t allowed to live there full-time until shortly before Logan’s death, because of his previous offending. Seems like when Mulligan needed a home and Cole wanted to take him, the judge wasn’t happy about just giving him to Cole, but he saw Williams as a stable, reliable and caring figure and was happy for Mulligan to be with Cole as long as Williams was also in the household so signed off on the whole family living together full-time 5 days before Logan’s death.

We’ll find out in the report into social services etc. I suspect there is going to be a lot of criticism that services were hyper-focused on Mulligan’s needs which meant


I don’t think he’d ever be allowed to live with a child again, even if he was deemed rehabilitated. IIRC John Venables re-offending finally started being dealt with when he got into a relationship with someone with a child.



It was for ‘24 hours in Police Custody’.

That’s a Channel 4 production though

 

[Cosytidy]

If IW got a normal sentence he will serve half in prison. A life sentence the prison sentence is how long you will serve. So if Watkins got 29 years he will serve 14 and a half years in prison. If JC got 29 years he will serve 29 years in prison.

 

[Sarahsauce]

Yes, I've been following it since the beginning, truly awful reading but I'm determined to see it through to the end hope this pair of sick fucks get what's coming to them , the man is an absolute lying steroid junkie, how could you possibly think those physical assaults that led him to his death, was just a "punishment" Chilling. Against that brute poor Sebastian stood zero chance. I've gone from shocked and upset at start of trial to now seething with fury at Latosweski and how he's attempting to make himself the hero in all this when he's a bullying murderer
I desperately hope the jury see through him and I hope they both go down. Hard.

Absolutely.
The way he was answering questions yesterday, saying I’m embarrassed about that, and I’m upset you think that about me etc, was pathetic. I’m looking forward to the prosecution ripping him and his ‘misunderstood’ act apart.

 

[Treesy19]

Sorry which program is this? We watched a 27 min documentary on bbc iplayer last night but it was no where near as detailed. It had an older bloke from social services sat on a chair in front of a screen who was really good though - called it for what it is and explained the serious problems with social services’ lack of capacity for the severity of the problem in this country.

The other doc with investigation footage sounds v interesting though - is this on ch4 please?

Sorry which program is this? We watched a 27 min documentary on bbc iplayer last night but it was no where near as detailed. It had an older bloke from social services sat on a chair in front of a screen who was really good though - called it for what it is and explained the serious problems with social services’ lack of capacity for the severity of the problem in this country.

The other doc with investigation footage sounds v interesting though - is this on ch4 please?

It’s “The Murder of Logan Mwangi” on ITV.

 

[Miss Perla]

There’s a post on the Facebook group that says that AW is appealing her sentence!!

How fucking dare she

They probably all will try but whether they can appeal the sentences is a different thing altogether.

 

[Pulltheotherone]

Jesus - it was listed for 9.30.

 

[Treesy19]

On the shaky bodycam of their arrests, stairs are seen. What stairs are these, I thought their flat was just the downstairs?

 

[heretoreaditall2019]

Video and audio footage of this “mum” has come up on my Facebook, I’d vaguely heard of the case before but will read up on everything you guys have covered in the last thread. Have they given a motive for this? I can’t understand how the young person was convinced to assist them?!

ETA - by motive not that it’s understandable or justifying it, but an explanation as to why the mum did it? Eg there was long term abuse or new partner on the scene etc?

 

[heretoreaditall2019]

Sorry which program is this? We watched a 27 min documentary on bbc iplayer last night but it was no where near as detailed. It had an older bloke from social services sat on a chair in front of a screen who was really good though - called it for what it is and explained the serious problems with social services’ lack of capacity for the severity of the problem in this country.

The other doc with investigation footage sounds v interesting though - is this on ch4 please?

 

[Lucyxxxx]

Sentencing about to start very shortly.

 

[Wouldn'tYouLikeToKnow]

It got me thinking about Ian Watkins from lostprophets. He abused (or intended to abuse - I forget the precise details and am not keen on re-reading them) an infant of about a year old, I believe. I don't think think there was any suggestion that he intended to kill the child. Obviously, the abuse alone is dreadful. But he was found guilty by a jury and got a minimum of 29 years. Savannah Brockhill was also found guilty by a jury, and received a minimum of 25 years for murdering a child. I'm wondering why Ian Watkins got a longer sentence than Savannah Brockhill. Perhaps the crucial difference is intent - I think Watkins may have texted or written his intent in some manner and that therefore he couldn't spin it some other way or deny his intent.

Not sure if I'm misreading you, however IW was never convicted of or even charged with such.

Criminal charge	Attempted rape of a child under 13 Sexual assault of a child under 13 Taking, making, or possessing indecent images of children Possessing an extreme pornographic image involving a sex act on an animal Possession of mobile phone in prison

Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Wouldn'tYouLikeToKnow]

Oh he absolutely was. The sentencing remarks are too graphic to post and I wouldn't want to...but a 10 month old boy was definitely a victim.

Yes, however the OP said this:

I don't think think there was any suggestion that he intended to kill the child. Obviously, the abuse alone is dreadful.

Which is what I was referring too.

I have the sentencing remarks open whilst replying, and there's no mention of him killing a child.
He definitely abused them, which I never doubted.

Again, none of this really matters in the grand scheme of things.

 

[kimh90]

Because it isn’t a deterrent and you end up killing innocent people who are wrongly convicted.

Okay I get that. But for the ones you know have killed for example innocent people who don't deserve it at all.

 

[heretoreaditall2019]

It’s “The Murder of Logan Mwangi” on ITV.

Thank you so much, I’d never have thought to look on ITV!

 

[Rippedjeanmaybe]

Has anyone seen his tik toks on his mother’s account? He looks like a right little twat.

 

[Milktray]

Normally in crown for serious to the worst cases it can (majority of the time) be anything from a few days to a couple of so weeks.
On the last thread a woman said one serious case was a month from verdict to sentencing.

There'd be a few reasons why there's different timescales. Also as there's a youth who's got anonymity on him they'd be all laws etc to contend with.

I reckon AW & JC will get life min 25 before consideration of parole.
The lad I think about 13. ??

@Chunkeylaydee If you go back to the first thread on this , my comment about why I think he'll get 13 is 2nd from last. .

Do you think PTCOJ will run concurrently with Murder or as a consecutive sentence?

 

[Leo100]

The baby cannot be mentioned and neither can his previous offending because both are children of the offenders. There are now strict controls across the board meaning that information about the very existence of innocent, minor children in cases like this can’t be reported which means there are restrictions on reporting on that offending. This is because similar info allowed a rape victim to be identified via the Baby P case. The other woman can’t be identified either because of her privacy (I believe she is also a vulnerable person) so there is little more they can say on that.

Reading between the lines on the 2 households, it seems like although there may have been an element of maximising benefits, it may also have been because Cole wasn’t allowed to live there full-time until shortly before Logan’s death, because of his previous offending. Seems like when Mulligan needed a home and Cole wanted to take him, the judge wasn’t happy about just giving him to Cole, but he saw Williams as a stable, reliable and caring figure and was happy for Mulligan to be with Cole as long as Williams was also in the household so signed off on the whole family living together full-time 5 days before Logan’s death.

We’ll find out in the report into social services etc. I suspect there is going to be a lot of criticism that services were hyper-focused on Mulligan’s needs which meant


I don’t think he’d ever be allowed to live with a child again, even if he was deemed rehabilitated. IIRC John Venables re-offending finally started being dealt with when he got into a relationship with someone with a child.



It was for ‘24 hours in Police Custody’.

So are they still doing a 24 hours in police custody episode on it? I saw a clip in the daily mail of the police talking to each other after they were arrested and thought it would be for that you could tell by the format

 

[Leo100]

Someone said further up the thread that 24 hours in police custody don't cover Wales, which is why this was done by ITV.

Ah right I missed that , thanks