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Thank you Cat Lady.
I wonder when they will be sentenced. In Scotland it’s usually a month after conviction.
I wonder when they will be sentenced. In Scotland it’s usually a month after conviction.
bleeping hell she got a payout for unfair dismissal, seriously??? No what's unfair , unthinkable actually, is that Baby Peter was killed in the most horrendous way, by people who had proved time & time again to be unfit parents (that's putting it lightly) and she was found to have played a huge part, a huge failing thanks to her actions/inactions should I say, How dare she have the bare faced cheek to even try & gain from the situation financially. Bloody hell.
I think they are waiting on some kind of reports on the youth, I remember with Arthur, ET & TH I think got sentenced the next day. Hopefully it won't be long to wait, and I really hope they release the identity of the youth so that the full facts of the case can be discussed as I feel like there is a huge gap in knowledge due to the restrictions on saying anything about the youth.
Yes, I'll imagine they'll need this for mitigating factors and to use when determining his sentence.
After everything that went on, yes she did. I remember it well, and the media were up in arms about it at the time. SS, Haringey Council were contacted, all replied ‘no comment’. And she took off with almost three quarters of a million quid in her pocket.
It riles me when people try to defend, and justify the reasons why the SW in these cases failed, it’s out and out neglect plain and simple.
But there is no accountability, clearly, and that is the reason why this keeps on happening and will keep on happening. I remember reading the news at one point and thinking omg not another child dead and the parents have been arrested. It’s just so so wrong
Getting justice for Logan isn’t just about seeing his murderers locked away for life, it’s also about thoroughly investigating how and why he came to live with JC and the youth given that one had a string of convictions especially for violence, and that the youth had threatened to kill Logan. Why was he allowed to live alongside those monsters. Why was he downgraded from being a child in protection to a child in need? Why didn’t anyone listen when concerns were being expressed.
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I do feel it's all I'm seeing on the news at the moment. Why oh why do they have children, these people. It's despairing.After everything that went on, yes she did. I remember it well, and the media were up in arms about it at the time. SS, Haringey Council were contacted, all replied ‘no comment’. And she took off with almost three quarters of a million quid in her pocket.
It riles me when people try to defend, and justify the reasons why the SW in these cases failed, it’s out and out neglect plain and simple.
But there is no accountability, clearly, and that is the reason why this keeps on happening and will keep on happening. I remember reading the news at one point and thinking omg not another child dead and the parents have been arrested. It’s just so so wrong
Because SW as individuals are surrounded by too much red tape, ultimately they can't do very much.
The red tape needs cutting. They need SW back doing visits and making decisions and not sat in a office overwhelmed by paperwork and targets.
Children Services *as a whole* is not fit for purpose and has failed.
That being said, I really do not know how they allowed this family unit to exist in the first place. Those children should have been removed.
The youth needed a foster family who could deal with him, offered stimulation and aspirations away from violence, a family who had been used to teenagers with complex emotions...not an elderly couple.
Logan and the baby needed a separate family, away from the youth and away from JC.
Normally in crown for serious to the worst cases it can (majority of the time) be anything from a few days to a couple of so weeks.
On the last thread a woman said one serious case was a month from verdict to sentencing.
There'd be a few reasons why there's different timescales. Also as there's a youth who's got anonymity on him they'd be all laws etc to contend with.
I reckon AW & JC will get life min 25 before consideration of parole.
The lad I think about 13. ??
@Chunkeylaydee If you go back to the first thread on this , my comment about why I think he'll get 13 is 2nd from last.
.Do you think PTCOJ will run concurrently with Murder or as a consecutive sentence?Normally in crown for serious to the worst cases it can (majority of the time) be anything from a few days to a couple of so weeks.
On the last thread a woman said one serious case was a month from verdict to sentencing.
There'd be a few reasons why there's different timescales. Also as there's a youth who's got anonymity on him they'd be all laws etc to contend with.
I reckon AW & JC will get life min 25 before consideration of parole.
The lad I think about 13. ??
@Chunkeylaydee If you go back to the first thread on this , my comment about why I think he'll get 13 is 2nd from last.
With his previous could be concurrently fingers crossed.
Usually it's concurrently, very rarely is it consecutively.. which is a shame.
Consecutive sentences would actually make their time longer.
more than likely concurrently, because the murder is a mandatory life sentence, (with tariff) so they don't normally bother doing it consecutively.
I was wondering today what sort of sentences they'll be given. The youth's will obviously be shorter. I'm guessing JC's will be the longest because sentencing, as I understand it, also takes into account previous convictions (of which JC has more than AW - and his previous convictions are of a more serious nature than are AW's).
It got me thinking about Ian Watkins from lostprophets. He abused (or intended to abuse - I forget the precise details and am not keen on re-reading them) an infant of about a year old, I believe. I don't think think there was any suggestion that he intended to kill the child. Obviously, the abuse alone is dreadful. But he was found guilty by a jury and got a minimum of 29 years. Savannah Brockhill was also found guilty by a jury, and received a minimum of 25 years for murdering a child. I'm wondering why Ian Watkins got a longer sentence than Savannah Brockhill. Perhaps the crucial difference is intent - I think Watkins may have texted or written his intent in some manner and that therefore he couldn't spin it some other way or deny his intent.
I'm guessing (and hoping) that AW will get a minimum term of more than 20 years. But I suppose it's possible that her sentence will be in the teens.
I bet all three of them regret murdering Logan now. Not due to compassion though - only because of the negative impact it's having on their lives.
Not sure if I'm misreading you, however IW was never convicted of or even charged with such.
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Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things.
I remember this. Utterly horrific.
Apparently he still has a massive fan base and gets hundreds of letters sent into prison.
The judge is obligated to pass on a sentence that is proportionate and fair, but we'll see.
There was video evidence in IW case 
I'm not sure why he got more than some murderers, his crimes were horrific though.
I'm not sure why he got more than some murderers, his crimes were horrific though.
Oh he absolutely was. The sentencing remarks are too graphic to post and I wouldn't want to...but a 10 month old boy was definitely a victim.
It’s quite often assessed on how dangerous they are to society and if they’re likely to reoffend. A disgusting vile paedophile like him deserves to rot behind bars for life as there’s no way he will ever change. He makes my skin crawl and he has 0 remorse.
I think the sentencing for SB was similar and rightly so, another vile creature that should never be allowed to see the light of day again.
I hope AW & JC both get similar lengthy sentences because again, they’re both evil, pure evil.
There’s two things I despise, child abusers/murderers & paedophiles
I think JC is looking on about 27/28 years, he has extensive previous, the aggravating factors with the only mitigation being he pleaded guilty to PTCOJ but again that was only cause he was caught red handed so probably won't be taken too much in to consideration. AW I think about 23/24 years, hopefully longer but we will see. The boy will probably get 15/16 years and then be subject to all sorts of licence conditions. Just my thoughts.