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Are you genuinely asking? Cause lots is different.

- Context. Your daughter, presumably, wasn't being asked by someone in a professional setting.
- Who it's coming from. Sure, both inquirers might be elderly but SH had an official public post within the royal family. It's not the same as your granny's friend being nosy at the holiday party.
- culture. In many countries it still hasn't fully sunk how statements like that are racist. In the last few years, this has become spoken about often in Western (for lack of a better identifier) countries. Not wanting to understand why someone perceived it as racism is just being wilfully obtuse.

The point of this all is that the royal family seems to be on thin ice already. No one is as well liked or respected as QEII was. If they continue like this, they will alienate a large section of society that maybe aren't huge supporters but weren't opposed either.

Plus, they're making Meghan and Harry look in the right. After denying that there was racism and that Meghan had been mistreated due to her race, things like this show that she very likely was.
Maybe her daughter wasn't wearing traditional Chinese clothes and changed her name to a traditional Chinese name either?

NF was provoking the question in a way. And maybe the question was not phrased in an ideal way, but this doesn't proof that there was any intention to offend or that NF had been racially discriminated against.

Yes, MM's supporters will find that this incident confirms MM's storyline.

But many supporters of the BRF will say that NF is not dealing with the matter well (especially because of the professional context !) and will not turn against the BRF because of this.

Yes I think this has let the cat out, yet there were always subtle ways in which racism or lack of respect for a different culture was shown. At Harry and Meghan's wedding, when the black minister was preaching in a very animated way Beatrice Eugenie looked as if they were about to burst out laughing and undoubtably mocked him behind his back.
This I actually find to be more culturally ignorant than the question "where are you from?".

MM also laughed when the reverend talked, by the way.

According to NF and 3 other witnesses.

It happened and its truly shocking.
I only saw one witness speaking out.
 
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@LoopyLou47 I would highly disagree that “the British aristocracy did virtually all of the oppressing of people from the former colonies”. That’s incredibly simplistic and won’t hold up. Maybe I understand your argument wrong though?
 
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@LoopyLou47 I would highly disagree that “the British aristocracy did virtually all of the oppressing of people from the former colonies”. That’s incredibly simplistic and won’t hold up. Maybe I understand your argument wrong though?
Indeed it was Earl Grey's government that led the abolition of slavery in the British colonies. People worked in Empire as administrators, engineers, civil servants, in the armed forces and police from all social classes
 
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So the royals are really to blame as they’ve stood by this behaviour , LH saw nothing wrong with her conversation .

And apparently she accepted Nazir Afzal's response of "currently Manchester," without further incident. Funny how giving a straight answer does that.

If any one can explain to me how someone could set up, in a huge group of people being spoken to by someone who doesn’t know they exist, and not only that controlling a conversation they didn’t start and tried to stop then maybe I could give it due consideration.
1. Change your name to something that suggests a certain background different to your own
[pause...]
2. Wear clothing that suggests a certain background different to your own
3. Make sure your name badge is obscured by your hair
4. Answer initial questions in a deliberately evasive and vague manner

Nigel showing his true colours. Baiting the racists again.
Nigel has always been tit with statistics. I doubt he even cares he's wrong, as long as his supporters initially take what he says at face value.
 
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I wonder if it is racist that Sistah Space only supports black women that are victim's of domestic violence?
No, when it comes to issues like domestic violence sometimes cultural context matters. Every culture has domestic violence but some cultures might be more reluctant to report it because it's more normalised or they think it will bring shame on their family or culture to expose it. Some cultures might be apprehensive to go to a shelter because they view it a certain way or don't think their cultural needs will be met there etc. How you talk to victims will need cultural context, and when you're at your must vulnerable sometimes it's just nice to be with your own 'kind' who you're most at ease with and who you know will understand what you're talking about.

What's most important are the outcomes and if we find that having more DV support organisations that cater to specific cultures means better outcomes than that's the most important thing rather than half baked definitions of what is and isn't racist.
 
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Could black women be perceived as privileged to have their own DV charity which caters exclusively for them?
 
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Indeed it was Earl Grey's government that led the abolition of slavery in the British colonies. People worked in Empire as administrators, engineers, civil servants, in the armed forces and police from all social classes
Administrators and civil servants did not give orders to shoot people going to pray when they tried to escape by climbing trees or stood by leaving people to starve to death while they took resources out of the Colonies, nor did they benefit hugely from wealth taken out of India, Africa and the Caribbean in one way trade. That was the ruling classes, many of who's families still benefit from that wealth today.
 
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Could black women be perceived as privileged to have their own DV charity which caters exclusively for them?
No - because of the reason why the DV charity caters to them. They’re marginalised. There are many, many DV charities in this country that non black people can seek help from. I don’t understand why a specialised service is being perceived as discriminatory? Do people really believe that Black women aren’t discriminated against as so shouldn’t have safe spaces created for them? In a country where they are less likely to believed by the police, a country where medical staff take their pain less seriously because they are deemed to have higher pain thresholds?

Do you think LGBT people are privileged to have specialised services? Or disabled people? These are all protected groups.
 
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They are perceived by some as being marginalised
No - because of the reason why the DV charity caters to them. They’re marginalised. There are many, many DV charities in this country that non black people can seek help from. I don’t understand why a specialised service is being perceived as discriminatory? Do people really believe that Black women aren’t discriminated against as so shouldn’t have safe spaces created for them? In a country where they are less likely to believed by the police, a country where medical staff take their pain less seriously because they are deemed to have higher pain thresholds?

Do you think LGBT people are privileged to have specialised services? Or disabled people? These are all protected groups.
No - because of the reason why the DV charity caters to them. They’re marginalised. There are many, many DV charities in this country that non black people can seek help from. I don’t understand why a specialised service is being perceived as discriminatory? Do people really believe that Black women aren’t discriminated against as so shouldn’t have safe spaces created for them? In a country where they are less likely to believed by the police, a country where medical staff take their pain less seriously because they are deemed to have higher pain thresholds?

Do you think LGBT people are privileged to have specialised services? Or disabled people? These are all protected groups.
No - because of the reason why the DV charity caters to them. They’re marginalised. There are many, many DV charities in this country that non black people can seek help from. I don’t understand why a specialised service is being perceived as discriminatory? Do people really believe that Black women aren’t discriminated against as so shouldn’t have safe spaces created for them? In a country where they are less likely to believed by the police, a country where medical staff take their pain less seriously because they are deemed to have higher pain thresholds?

Do you think LGBT people are privileged to have specialised services? Or disabled people? These are all protected groups.
So would a black victim of DV be turned away from a national charity because of their colour? Can you imagine the justifiable uproar?
 
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They are perceived by some as being marginalised



So would a black victim of DV be turned away from a national charity because of their colour? Can you imagine the justifiable uproar?
Obviously that isn't what is being said. You have received many sensible replies, perhaps you could actually read them?
 
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They are perceived by some as being marginalised



So would a black victim of DV be turned away from a national charity because of their colour? Can you imagine the justifiable uproar?
Do you think men should be able to walk into women's refuges if they are victims of DV? Even if there are other facilities they would be signposted to?
 
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The fact that this continues to circle back to "but what's wrong with asking where your from?" ... Sigh. Ms. Fulani literally gave TWO answers to that question before understandably getting rustled by the continuation of the inquisition: her foundation's name and hackney. That is enough to show that this is just wilfully denying there's a problem.

If I ask anyone, because I don't know them or because their accent is not the average accent of the place we're in or just to chit chat, where they're from, I take their first answer as the only answer. It doesn't matter if that fits into my idea of what a citizen or inhabitant of said place looks like. Anything else is racism and I just hope we as a thread can go on to other topics because people are just outing their own closeted racism and it's kind of sad.

If even the royal family/the palace has seen this was wrong, it's silly that outsiders continue to deny it.
 
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Personally I feel the subject has been exhausted. Everyone has said their piece and we're going round in circles now.
 
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No, when it comes to issues like domestic violence sometimes cultural context matters. Every culture has domestic violence but some cultures might be more reluctant to report it because it's more normalised or they think it will bring shame on their family or culture to expose it. Some cultures might be apprehensive to go to a shelter because they view it a certain way or don't think their cultural needs will be met there etc. How you talk to victims will need cultural context, and when you're at your must vulnerable sometimes it's just nice to be with your own 'kind' who you're most at ease with and who you know will understand what you're talking about.

What's most important are the outcomes and if we find that having more DV support organisations that cater to specific cultures means better outcomes than that's the most important thing rather than half baked definitions of what is and isn't racist.
It is good that you shine the light on the culture aspect, it is true that this is important.

And I did not mean that certain groups should not be a (sole) focus.
What I referred to was the incident of the mixed-race woman being turned away, as her being partially white would mean that she was more privileged.

This I find potentially discriminatory. So what if she has a few genes from a white lineage?
She could still have been brought up and abused in a black culture. Which is probably why she chose this charity. She might identify as black?

But because of her genes she was turned away. So purely because of her race, heritage, parents/family. I find this to be wrong.

The fact that this continues to circle back to "but what's wrong with asking where your from?" ... Sigh. Ms. Fulani literally gave TWO answers to that question before understandably getting rustled by the continuation of the inquisition: her foundation's name and hackney. That is enough to show that this is just wilfully denying there's a problem.

If I ask anyone, because I don't know them or because their accent is not the average accent of the place we're in or just to chit chat, where they're from, I take their first answer as the only answer. It doesn't matter if that fits into my idea of what a citizen or inhabitant of said place looks like. Anything else is racism and I just hope we as a thread can go on to other topics because people are just outing their own closeted racism and it's kind of sad.

If even the royal family/the palace has seen this was wrong, it's silly that outsiders continue to deny it.
I find this a bit harsh and not true.

And frankly, if I would ask you where you were from and you said "tattle" and then "tattle headquarter" I would have thought you misunderstood the question.

It obviously is a topic worth discussing, as otherwise nobody would discuss it!

And also, given the noises made by Harry and Meghan, as well as the problematic Commonwealth tour, as well as the many references to colonialism and whether the BRF should apologise for slavery, I also think that his topic is very much linked to the BRF, and current, and maybe even more relevant than Kate's latest coat.

It is something that is being brought up again and again and in different ways - and personally I think NF brought it up in a clumsy way and with her own agenda - but I don't think that the BRF is going to be able to just ignore this topic and the issues associated with it.
 
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To get a bit back on topic, what do we think of Kate’s outfit for her first solo engagement?
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Personally I love it, really flatters her. Wish she did something different with her hair but baby steps.

I do think it’s great they have become less stuffy over the years and are engaging more with the public like below.
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Quite apart from badgering a guest for a full 5 minutes when she should have read cues.
Oh, please! Even if one or both of them was talking really slowly, the conversation as recounted by Fulani would have barely passed 30 seconds.
 
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