The Royal Family #2

[nrs264]

As I said before, the RF are a toxic family. Toxic families are usually very controlling and everyone has to play a role. The family will do all that they can to keep everyone in line in order to protect the status quo and stop people moving away from their role within the toxic family system. What we are seeing IMO is Harry attempting to break away from his toxic family and them punishing him for daring to do so. It’s an absolute textbook example of how toxic families behave.

I think they are being absolutely bleeping pathetic, especially when as other posters have said, they haven’t stripped Andrew of his titles. Maybe when the Queen dies Harry will be brought back into the fold.

Possibly, but also Meghan displays many classic traits of narcissistic behaviour on her public appearances PR alone, and potentially controlling behaviour (although that's harder to say as we see less of her in private).

Harry and Andrew have been treated the same, he lost all his titles too. I think people are hearing titles and think they are losing the Prince/Duke/HRH, which isn't the case. He has left the family business and all that comes with that, not the hereditary family.

The family have to be controlling to an extent, its a business. If they had just left people wouldn't be all that bothered, buts it's the hypocrisy, contradictions and wanting to be royal with the perks but not do the work (but still make their own money) people have an issue with.

 

[lira]

Totally agree with this, but The Queen wont strip Andrew of his HRH so it would mean she's stripping Harry ( who is in the same position as Andrew-brother of heir to the throne) for not wanting to be a working Royal but wont do it to Andrew for being - well whatever he is.

I think its quite well known that she wasn't the most affectionate of mothers. There are pictures of her shaking Charles' hand when he was about 4 and she hadn't seen him for months. I think he has said she wasn't the most affectionate of mothers. Phil more or less ran the home and he was a disciplinarian and didn't have any truck with sensitivity, especially when it came to his sons.


I'd have to disagree. Its fine not to be maternal, but not to be physically close to your children? Even if you find physical closeness awkward, or you are The Queen, you have a duty to make those children feel loved, and that will obviously include physical closeness. Its part of your job as monarch to bring up the future Head of State to not be totally fucked up, as your subjects have to put up and shut up, so part of your duty is to bring your children up not to be dickheads for the sake of the Kingdom. Anne, I agree is Phil 2.0 . I bet he lavished attention on her because she was so like him.

I guess that's me projecting and trying to make it okay since my own parents weren't physically close, and has created my own issues with my own relationships
And there was that video clip of TQ and PP arriving after months and she just gave tiny Charles a sort of pat didn't she, when he was so happy to see her!

 

[nrs264]

I think the royal family are somewhat dunging themselves about what Harry and Meghan will say and really they can say what they please now.
I couldn't imagine being Harry, his parents very public divorce, his parentage being questioned and of course the conspiracy theories around his mothers death. I wouldn't wish it on anyone and all of that is just the tip of the iceberg. I don't think all the privilege would compensate for that.

William went through the exact same thing, plus he has all the embarrassment of what his mother did in the 90s (e.g. every affair, her panorama interview, the book) to cope with while at school. It's widely reported his life was made a misery because of that. Harry was a bit younger and seemingly missed much of the bullying/teasing

Really sick of poor young Harry etc. BOTH brothers had a very difficult time, and both are now nearly middle aged men not 'young royals'

 

[Platypusfattypus]

I think the royal family are somewhat dunging themselves about what Harry and Meghan will say and really they can say what they please now.
I couldn't imagine being Harry, his parents very public divorce, his parentage being questioned and of course the conspiracy theories around his mothers death. I wouldn't wish it on anyone and all of that is just the tip of the iceberg. I don't think all the privilege would compensate for that.

It always baffles me that people don't understand his hatred of the media and the British public. I remember reading about after Diana died and the public were demanding to see Charles and the boys. They went to view the flowers and then there was another meeting (I can't remember where) and William later said that the last thing he wanted to do was to read what other people thought of their mum. I lost my mum at a similar age and the only thing that got me through was my family. To have heard all the tit that their family killed their mother, and to have to be paraded at the funeral (in part to stop the public booing Charles) makes me feel so sad for them. I hated the whole "we pay for them so they should perform for us" attitude, I can understand Harry's wish to get away from that and get some control back.

 

[whathastheworldcometo]

Yep I agree. I think its William. He wont bring Harry back into the fold. Both he and Kate have been cold towards Meghan from the start. Even if you hate your brothers wife, you have to welcome her, be there just in case you are proved right and swallow your pride if you are proved wrong. The Queen and Charles always seemed more welcoming to me to Meghan. I agree with G&t. They are a toxic family who are now trying to control the member who has broken away, in case he brings down the whole house of cards by showing how awful and useless the rest of them are. Harry was right. You dont have to be Royal to perform public service. This year should have demonstrated that. None of the Royals have really performed public service in the way ordinary people do every day when they work, or give money or time to charities or help their neighbours for no reward.As a Christian, The Queen should know that.

I agree that you don't need to be Royal to be of service, but I think that the Royals did attempt to help out during the pandemic.
Kate's made pasta and food parcels that William and the kids distributed, Eugenie and her mother have sent food to hospitals, Edward's wife did something to help out etc.

Yes, William and Kate seemed to be a bit cold to Meghan (William more than Kate - there is basically no friendly photo with William and Meghan, right? But Kate chatted to Meghan in a friendly manner at this Christmas walk and went to Wimbledon with her).
But we don't know what happened behind the scenes and I believe that both Harry and Meghan also have the capacity to be pretty mean.

 

[FrostyChops]

I don't think Kate was cold towards Meghan. There are quite a few photos of them at Wimbledon looking friendly enough.

I don't think W will let H back because he has left them high and dry. I was under the impression Diana was pleased to have another boy so they could share the burden of the Crown. Well he has fucked that right off and they have to pick up the slack. I would be furious is l was W and K.

With regards to titles the ultimate runner Edward was made Duke of Windsor so it's v unlikely H and M will be stripped.

 

[Vanillaco]

I guess that's me projecting and trying to make it okay since my own parents weren't physically close, and has created my own issues with my own relationships
And there was that video clip of TQ and PP arriving after months and she just gave tiny Charles a sort of pat didn't she, when he was so happy to see her!

Yes my mother wasnt physically affectionate at all ( ironically, she cant stop kissing and hugging her grandchildren!) and it has affected my relationships too, I have to really remind myself to be physically affectionate to my own children, and to sometimes do it even if they shy away or pretend they dont like it. I do feel it has made me very closed off with my adult relationships. Maybe it was her time or her upbringing but if she was being criticised for it in the 50's as others have said, it must have stood out, even at the time.

 

[nrs264]

It supposedly fell apart when William suggested Harry was moving too fast with Meghan, which is good advice. They did rush into an engagement, they hadn't been dating that long, especially considering it was a long distance relationship. No royal marriage that has been rushed as ended well.

 

[Vanillaco]

I don't think Kate was cold towards Meghan. There are quite a few photos of them at Wimbledon looking friendly enough.

I don't think W will let H back because he has left them high and dry. I was under the impression Diana was pleased to have another boy so they could share the burden of the Crown. Well he has fucked that right off and they have to pick up the slack. I would be furious is l was W and K.

With regards to titles the ultimate runner Edward was made Duke of Windsor so it's v unlikely H and M will be stripped.

Willism and Kate do the least amount if Royal duties, and stand to gain the most from the whole Royal shebang. They could have taken on all of Meghan and Harry's duties and still been behind the other Royals. And the Crown is not a burden. If it was, they all would have buggered off long ago. It is a life of unearned privelege for generations, based on nothing but accident of birth. The ' burden if The Crown' narrative is put out by people who benefit from the status quo being just as it is.

 

[whathastheworldcometo]

I think that Meghan was quite lonely within the BRF and in the UK in general.

Kate was friendly at events, but I don't think that they did a lot of "private" things together. I also don't think that Kate socialises with Eugenie or Beatrice, although they always seem friendly.
It seems that William and Kate spend time with Mike and Zara and that's it.

Harry always joined William and Kate, but once he had Meghan this stopped. Why? They never did things as a foursome, they only spent time together when they were at formal events. It is understandable that Harry wanted to spend time with Meghan only, but I could also imagine that Meghan had her own ideas.

This last event, at the Commonwealth service, was such a tit show. William and Kate openly blanking Harry and Meghan and only Edward and Sophie being polite to them.
It was said Meghan went to the airport straight after the event - then nobody even said good-bye to her. This is pretty harsh.
There might be a reason for that, I don't know, but it simply looked like they were not welcome there and that nobody really liked them.

 

[lira]

I think that Meghan was quite lonely within the BRF and in the UK in general.

Kate was friendly at events, but I don't think that they did a lot of "private" things together. I also don't think that Kate socialises with Eugenie or Beatrice, although they always seem friendly.
It seems that William and Kate spend time with Mike and Zara and that's it.

Harry always joined William and Kate, but once he had Meghan this stopped. Why? They never did things as a foursome, they only spent time together when they were at formal events. It is understandable that Harry wanted to spend time with Meghan only, but I could also imagine that Meghan had her own ideas.

This last event, at the Commonwealth service, was such a tit show. William and Kate openly blanking Harry and Meghan and only Edward and Sophie being polite to them.
It was said Meghan went to the airport straight after the event - then nobody even said good-bye to her. This is pretty harsh.
There might be a reason for that, I don't know, but it simply looked like they were not welcome there and that nobody really liked them.

I don't know Megan in the slightest, never even watched Suits, but I feel like it could have come to a point for her were she said to Harry "it's them (w&k) or me," because she'd feel left out/pushed out. At the end of the day it was all a battle of egos and everyone wanting things to go their way, and sadly ended up being messier than it should've been.

 

[whathastheworldcometo]

Willism and Kate do the least amount if Royal duties, and stand to gain the most from the whole Royal shebang. They could have taken on all of Meghan and Harry's duties and still been behind the other Royals. And the Crown is not a burden. If it was, they all would have buggered off long ago. It is a life of unearned privelege for generations, based on nothing but accident of birth. The ' burden if The Crown' narrative is put out by people who benefit from the status quo being just as it is.

It is a privilege but also a burden. Not for Andrew and Co, but TQ still deals with the red briefcase every day, still works, hasn't had much privacy since her mid-20s - this cannot have been easy. Despite the privilege that is also there, no doubt about it.

 

[FrostyChops]

Kate and Wills might do the least now but that will change after Queenie pops her clogs.

Harry and Meghan are not hrh. They did not retain that part.

 

[whathastheworldcometo]

I don't know Megan in the slightest, never even watched Suits, but I feel like it could have come to a point for her were she said to Harry "it's them (w&k) or me," because she'd feel left out/pushed out. At the end of the day it was all a battle of egos and everyone wanting things to go their way, and sadly ended up being messier than it should've been.

Yes, but she was not very diplomatic. I recall this "Fab Four" event on stage, she did outshine them all and was the newbie.
And the garden party when they suddenly left under strange circumstances - does anyone here know if they were sent home or what Charles told them and why they suddenly disappeared?
Camilla also dissed her a bit, I saw a video on Twitter - she was asked if she would miss H and M and she said "Hmmmm.... Course....." with a straight face.
And at said garden party it seemed like she turned away from Meghan and mouthed "help".
Clearly not a fan of Meghan's

Kate and Wills might do the least now but that will change after Queenie pops her clogs.

Harry and Meghan are not hrh. They did not retain that part.

Yes, they are still HRH. They just agreed not to use it.

The High Court also referred to M as HRH

 

[Merpedy]

Willism and Kate do the least amount if Royal duties, and stand to gain the most from the whole Royal shebang.

Agreeable, but realistically sooner or later the two will be doing probably the most royal duties without much choice. I can excuse them being a bit 'down-low' now, but to excuse other Royals who don't do anything is honestly hard since we're still very much paying for most of them.

Granted, I don't have much opinion of how much 'burden' it all really is, but I imagine the media attention is a big part of it, though I suppose the lifestyle balances it out nicely depending on how secretive you can be about where you go and what you do

 

[Boredofgrey]

Yes, but she was not very diplomatic. I recall this "Fab Four" event on stage, she did outshine them all and was the newbie.
And the garden party when they suddenly left under strange circumstances - does anyone here know if they were sent home or what Charles told them and why they suddenly disappeared?
Camilla also dissed her a bit, I saw a video on Twitter - she was asked if she would miss H and M and she said "Hmmmm.... Course....." with a straight face.
And at said garden party it seemed like she turned away from Meghan and mouthed "help".
Clearly not a fan of Meghan's



Yes, they are still HRH. They just agreed not to use it.

The High Court also referred to M as HRH

Meghan was caught on camera being rude at the garden party. She didn’t follow protocol, walked in front of Charles, accepted gifts meant for others, was heard saying it was boring and photographed with her tongue out. Charles had her and Harry removed.

 

[BigMavis]

I do wonder if Meghans American ways/attitude alienated her from the stiff upper lipped royals, she did say that during her ITV interview. I fear that interview was misjudged and the family felt blindsided by the revelations. I'm not a Meghan or Harry fan, in fact I'm not sure I like her at all, I sense an insincerity from her. I thought she wanted to be another Diana but the public didn't take to her.
Its difficult to compare William and Harrys childhood as H was always the "spare" I mean that must be hard and nobody ever said Charles wasn't Wills father, again bloody hard. I can't remember which now but didn't Diana always say one boy was more sensitive that the other and she worried about them. I would like to see Harry happy but I don't think his new life will be a red of roses and if it goes tits up, will he be welcomed back.

 

[HaloGirl]

I don't think Kate was cold towards Meghan. There are quite a few photos of them at Wimbledon looking friendly enough.

I don't think W will let H back because he has left them high and dry. I was under the impression Diana was pleased to have another boy so they could share the burden of the Crown. Well he has fucked that right off and they have to pick up the slack. I would be furious is l was W and K.

With regards to titles the ultimate runner Edward was made Duke of Windsor so it's v unlikely H and M will be stripped.

Exactly - I think Kate has been friendly to Meghan. And H and M have left them high and dry.
Wasn’t it Meghan who was rumoured to have leaked the Rose Hanbury story to her friend Lainey. I don’t blame Kate if she then distanced herself from Meghan.

 

[FrostyChops]

Earlier questions regarding the garden party; according to this long article, Meghan said she was glad about the recent change in Ireland's abortion law...so expressed a political view.

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle’s Fractured Fairy Tale

The abrupt separation of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex from the United Kingdom and its monarchy.

www.newyorker.com

 

[Platypusfattypus]

Meghan was caught on camera being rude at the garden party. She didn’t follow protocol, walked in front of Charles, accepted gifts meant for others, was heard saying it was boring and photographed with her tongue out. Charles had her and Harry removed.

I know that's meant to be bad behaviour but I love it reminds me of when Diana and Fergie got their knuckles wrapped