The DIS Unplugged #10 We’re Not Happy to be Here

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I'm back to answer the second part of your question: What were the circumstances of my departure?

Before I begin, I want to apologize for the length of these posts. So far, these aren't questions with simple or concise answers. I'm trying to give a full picture because I know that you guys have been trying to connect the dots, but I recognize it has made a lot of these posts long. Unfortunately, this post may end up being my longest because it is the part of my journey that people have the most questions about. It is also the part of my journey that has been most misrepresented. In order to avoid a lot of follow-up questions, I'm going to be proactive and address a lot here so that we can all put this particular thing to rest. Then we'll be able to move past it and get to the remaining questions y'all have on other topics. If long, sordid tales are not your thing, please just scroll past this one. If they are, buckle in.

So, as we all know, Dustin finally left The Dis. His seat was vacant, and Pete was beside himself over the loss of Dustin. The emotional roller coaster Pete was on was a really rough ride for the team in many ways. Pete kept Dustin's seat open and wouldn't fill it for what seemed an eternity. It felt like he was holding out hope that he would be able to lure Dustin back somehow.

I didn't really know what was going on with Pete. Only the guys were a part of Pete's innermost circle, so the women often dealt with the dramatic effects of Pete's personal soap opera without much context (except for Teresa...she knows where most of the bodies are buried. lol). This was one of those times. Pete seemed to be getting more irritable, but I didn't really know why. He was reorganizing things with the shows, and he felt The Trip needed a lot of changes. Those changes all but hog-tied The Trip. We were told that we would no longer be funded for outings in Orlando and had to restrict ourselves to round-table discussions about the theme parks. Since there was already a show about Disney and a show about Universal, this made The Trip redundant. We were told it had to be this way because the guys would now be too busy to spend any time creating the packages (video content akin to vlogs) that we incorporated into the show. We were also told it was not an option for the women (myself, Teresa, and Jackie) to create the packages ourselves because we weren't capable of meeting the quality standard that The Dis required. Craig, Teresa, and I didn't see the point in continuing and thought the show should just be dropped. We would have been content to let it go and focus our efforts on the shows Pete wasn't crippling. Teresa was stretched thin anyway due to her responsibilities at The Welcome Center. She regretted that she didn't have time for her family, and I wasn't so wrapped up in The Trip that I couldn't call it quits. In truth, the show was often an awkward experience for me even though I tried to make the best of it. We collectively felt it wasn't a tremendous loss if we were going to be working under these new restrictions.

One day before we started filming The Trip, Teresa gave me the heads up that Pete would probably pick a fight with me after the show because somehow he heard we were unhappy with the changes he was making. She also warned me that if I was honest, she would leave me holding the bag because she was not about to tell him her true feelings and suffer the consequences. I told her I understood. We filmed the show, wrapped, and just as she said, Pete came in and went straight for me. He very aggressively confronted me. I matter-of-factly laid out the points I mentioned above and said that maybe we should consider just dropping the show. To protect Craig, I did not mention any of his grumbling about Pete's decisions. And when it came to Teresa, I was careful not to put words in her mouth. I expressed that her circumstances should be given consideration as if those were singularly my personal feelings. And I did it all in a straightforward manner.

Because he was looking for a fight to begin with, he purposefully escalated everything even though it wasn't necessary. I had remained calm and collected, but he started antagonizing me and screaming at me. I suspect he was trying to bait me so that I would react and his vicious behavior would be justified. I was boiling, but I wasn't going to give him what he was desperate for. I heard no words at that point. There was only his ugly face screaming. I remember glaring at him, basically daring him to keep going until he turned blue in the face. No matter what, I wasn't going to respond other than with this dead stare of pure hatred. He eventually went silent and tried to intimidate me by glaring back, but I wouldn't look away. We sat there with eyes locked until he eventually broke, got up, and left the room. Craig, Teresa, and Jackie looked at me in disbelief. It wasn't the first time I had been direct with Pete, but I hadn't stood my ground like that before.

Days later, he apologized. I think he didn't know what else to do with me since I had shown some gumption. I briefly found myself being treated favorably again, and there was the gift of a Disney Resort stay for me and the kids around this time.

Not long after this, Pete finally came around and began interviewing to fill Dustin's spot. Oliver was among the top individuals being considered by Pete. He is talented and a hard worker, but if you look at him, it isn't hard to figure out why he caught Pete's attention. They aren't look-alikes, but Oliver and Dustin share some common physical traits as well as skill sets. He had a lot going for him in this particular race. The only thing that would have hurt Oliver's chances of landing the job was that during his interview when he was asked who his favorite podcaster was, he responded, "It's definitely JeniLynn. She is just lovely. I've been following her since her days at Attractions, and she is the reason I found The Dis." Oliver and I still laugh about that to this day because he didn't realize how much of a mistake that was.

Luckily or unluckily (depending on how you want to frame it), Oliver still rose to the top for Pete. And--full disclosure--I was 100% behind this decision because I felt Oliver was the best choice regardless of Pete's not-so-subtle attraction to him. Oliver was hired. Dustin's seat was filled, and we all hoped that Pete would be able to move on so our lives could be a little less hellish. That didn't up being the case for me.

Company policy required the team to float expenses on our personal credit cards. When we paid for meals, plane tickets, or anything else our content required, we did it with our personal credit, collected the receipts, and eventually turned them in for reimbursement. But turning over our receipts was always a very uncomfortable event. Even though it was money we were owed, it always felt like you were coming to Pete with your hand out. Sometimes, I just ate expenses to avoid having to ask Pete for money because it was just so unpleasant, and I never recorded the amounts from my receipts because I didn't think I needed that information. Questioning a check amount would have provoked him, so I figured I was going to take what I was given even if it was incorrect. But to his credit (pun intended?), I don't think I ever had a check come up short. In fact, it was often the opposite.

It wasn't uncommon to float expenses on our cards for months to avoid approaching him, and it wasn't uncommon to wait additional months to be reimbursed after you turned over your receipts. For this reason, it also wasn't uncommon for Pete to generously pad our reimbursement checks. I think he liked this system because it made him feel magnanimous, and none of us complained when he did it.

On the next reimbursement cycle, my check was padded. I didn't question it. Initially, I didn't even notice it because I never looked at checks in front of Pete. I didn't want to risk him handing me a check and interpreting my immediate lookover as supervising his math. I also didn't give it a priority later on because I hadn't tracked how much I was owed anyway. At that time, I had more pressing matters at home that I was navigating.

I had recently uncovered one of my daughters was emotionally struggling and was self-harming. She had started purposely scratching her skin until it broke open. Her dad and I were trying to figure out how to help her, but, honestly, it was mostly me trying to figure out how to help her. Inflated check amounts just weren't at the forefront of my mind, especially since it wasn't an unusual practice.

I think when I finally drove to the bank to deposit the check, I looked at it to record the amount on the deposit card, had a brief thought about it being a lot more than I remembered, reconciling it as Pete being extra generous, and moving on to the next thing that needed my attention. A couple of days after it was deposited, I received a text from Pete saying that he hadn't intended to give me that much. My immediate response was essentially, "Ok. Well, that makes sense. I'll return the difference to you tomorrow. What is that amount?" In so many words, he accused me of trying to defraud him, banned me from team activities, and refused to tell me the amount he wanted back.

I wrote him an email to try and establish a line of communication. In it, I painfully and embarrassingly groveled. I was already working on leaving The Dis, but this was happening too soon. I had two very strong possibilities sitting outside for me, but my ducks had not been lined up yet, and I still had three kids to take care of--one with a new and serious issue. It was not the time to be thrown into sudden unemployment. I was terrified.

I walked into the studio the next day with a check for $1k and asked Ryno to make sure Pete received it. I didn't know if that was the amount he felt he was owed. I had to take a guess. But once I dropped it off, I texted Pete to tell him the money had been returned. You guys have the screenshots of those texts in a previous thread for verification.

He never cashed that check. Instead, he began telling the team I was a thief. The team knew I had not stolen from Pete. My history at The Dis didn't line up with that. Corey spent about a full week trying to intervene on my behalf. I know that Craig also spoke up for me when he was given the chance. It fell on deaf ears. Pete was hell-bent on getting rid of me. His reaction was really extreme. He was the one who had made the mistake, and my immediate response was, "No problem. How much do you need back?" The whole thing felt manufactured like it had been when he tried to bait me into that fight a month before.

The inevitable did happen. Corey realized Pete was immovable on this and I was going to be terminated. He twisted himself into knots with apologies and asked me to forgive him because Pete was forcing him to witness my termination. He walked me to Pete's living room. I was seated across from Pete. John was there, stoic and silent. And Corey mournfully took a chair. I was told I was being fired for stealing, but I was told that I would be given 6 months of severance pay and 3 months of medical insurance. When I asked if this was in writing as our parting agreement, Pete scoffed. Nothing would be put in writing, and then I understood that this "severance" was hush money and that its ability to be taken from me would be used to ensure I did exactly what Pete wanted for at least 6 more months.

There was nothing left to say. The meeting ended. Corey walked me to the door and began apologizing again. I stopped him and told him that I knew Pete wanted him there to intimidate me, but it had the opposite effect. Corey being there made me feel stronger because I knew he knew I was innocent. I let him know he helped me keep my dignity and a stiff upper lip during it all. We hugged, and then I walked out where I found Craig waiting for me by my car. All stiff upper lips went out the window. We both cried. He was worried, but I told him it was ok. Although he was unaware of the plans I had been working on, we'd had enough conversations that he knew I was going to leave eventually. I reminded him of that and said, "This is just pushing me out the door a little sooner than expected and might not be a bad thing." As I started to walk away from Craig, I do remember stopping and saying, "Mark my words: This is because he wants to bring Dustin back, and now that Oliver is here, he needs my salary to do it."

I got in my car to drive away, and I had the Disney Production Manager on the phone before I made it off of Pete's street. He could hear that I was shaken up pretty badly. I asked if he could take his lunch break because I really needed to talk to him. Thankfully, he sensed the urgency. We met for lunch where I explained everything that had happened. After I had verbally vomited it all up, he said, "This is actually great." I said, "What?" He said, "We've been struggling to find something for you this whole time because you needed a full-time position that would give you a salary. You don't need that anymore." I said, "Huh?" He said, "Pete just gave you 6 months of money for training as a freelancer at Broadcast Production. You can be set up as an Independent Contractor. I hadn't suggested it before because the work wouldn't be steady at first, especially since you are new. But now you don't have to worry about that part. Your finances will be set for 6 months. I'll use that time to make sure you learn everything you need to know. We could have this thing totally figured out before the 6 months are up. Maybe at the end, you still decide to go full-time with Inside the Magic. Maybe you don't. Let's take the next 6 months and see what happens." That did not sound bad to me.

Hours later, I was able to get ahold of Ricky Brigante. I told him that I knew we had set a deadline for January 2017 but that timeline might need to be accelerated. I explained there wasn't a crisis because of my plan to use my "severance" while I picked up jobs at Disney. It still gave me time to look into the legal issue and him time to look for funding. He was cool with everything. We agreed to pick back up again in about 6 months.

I went to sleep that night stressed and exhausted but not panicked. Pete thought he had sent me packing with my tail between my legs, but I relished the fact that he would inadvertently be the reason I got my foot in the door at Disney. And 6 months later, I got a huge kick out of announcing my start with Inside the Magic. I hear it was that day Pete's lawyer informed him that the non-compete he thought was in my contract wasn't actually there.
Thank you so much for your thoughtful response. What a nightmare:(
 
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Definitely makes one wonder what an audit might reveal.

More evidence that John was not in fact entirely separate from the operations of the DIS. I had hoped that Pete was the sole source of all the dysfunction and issues but clearly that hasn't proven to be true.
Those 3 (Pete, John, Kevin) have been skimming and fleecing DUT for years, of that I'm positive. Pete's just the one that got caught through his other "activities".
 
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I can't ever imagine calling JL a thief. @imjenilynn , so do you feel Pete is strongly sexist towards women?
Also, I wondered in the past if Pete didn't like you because he thought Dustin was attracted to you. I think that we all know that Pete has his insecurities, so I wouldn't doubt it. When I watched the show back then, I always wondered if you and Dustin had a small flirtatious thing going on.
 
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Sorry if this has been discussed but does anybody else feel the new requirement for Disney to approve “influencers” that promote travel agencies is in direct response to the PW issues?
 
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I always thought Pete had strong misogynistic tendencies. Jenilynn's post fully confirms this.
 
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Even if John didn't know about the sexual abuse he was definitely enabling an utterly toxic boss & looked the other way when staff were being emotionally abused. For that alone he is a hell of a tit. And now its business as usual with him, he smugly sits in on the show like before adding nothing & allowing his Louis Vuitton loving husband to bore us all to death with his bragging. John will have to pay the price somehow, I have a feeling there are revelations to come, probably financial, that will be his undoing.
 
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JL, I’m so sorry you had to go through all of that. It appeared that you and Panda have or had a good relationship. Did he question what happened with you at the Dis before he joined? Did he just fall for Pete’s superficial showering of gifts, etc also?
 
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Even if John didn't know about the sexual abuse he was definitely enabling an utterly toxic boss & looked the other way when staff were being emotionally abused. For that alone he is a hell of a tit.
He was in a personal relationship with Pete for some time, and a business partnership with him for years. He knew. He knew all of it.

I'll keep saying until I'm blue in the face: DUT was and continues to be a cash cow for those three. Through whatever "legitimate" salaries they draw, whatever fabricated commissions they earn, and however they are cooking the expense books, that company exists solely for their personal enrichment (which in and of itself is perfectly fine if done legally and ethically) through whatever means and however they can squeeze money from it. How employees are treated (and mistreated) on the way to achieving that goal is immaterial, and benefits all three of them.
 
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JL, I’m so sorry you had to go through all of that. It appeared that you and Panda have or had a good relationship. Did he question what happened with you at the Dis before he joined? Did he just fall for Pete’s superficial showering of gifts, etc also?
This is a good question. Surely Panda had to know some stuff about Pete. But again, it's pretty easy to fall for all of the glamour and free gifts and cruises.
 
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This is a good question. Surely Panda had to know some stuff about Pete. But again, it's pretty easy to fall for all of the glamour and free gifts and cruises.
I definitely noticed Panda got the golden treatment in the beginning that Sean and JL mentioned.

@imjenilynn don't worry about the length of your posts, I didn't watch The Dis when you were on, but I am enjoying learning about your background and story. I find your writing insightful and reflective, I understand why you were a fan favorite on the the show. I am so disturbed that John allowed Pete to go through with termination under the guise of stealing. Pete was the one that wrote the check, not you taking money without permission from him. If anything, Pete should have been in trouble with John for overpayment since Pete always mentioned John was the money person in the business. The only confusing part I feel is that Ryno mentioned on one of his livestreams that you didn't like him, but didn't get into the reasons. You don't have to share the story, but did it revolve around this returing the check issue or was it a different incident?
 
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@imjenilynn don't worry about the length of your posts, I didn't watch The Dis when you were on, but I am enjoying learning about your background and story.
I agree, I love a long read so please carry on with your essays JL. I'm sure a lot of us have had similar experiences in toxic work environments and so we are feeling very satisfied that for once, bullies are being exposed.
 
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I'm back to answer the second part of your question: What were the circumstances of my departure?

Before I begin, I want to apologize for the length of these posts. So far, these aren't questions with simple or concise answers. I'm trying to give a full picture because I know that you guys have been trying to connect the dots, but I recognize it has made a lot of these posts long. Unfortunately, this post may end up being my longest because it is the part of my journey that people have the most questions about. It is also the part of my journey that has been most misrepresented. In order to avoid a lot of follow-up questions, I'm going to be proactive and address a lot here so that we can all put this particular thing to rest. Then we'll be able to move past it and get to the remaining questions y'all have on other topics. If long, sordid tales are not your thing, please just scroll past this one. If they are, buckle in.

So, as we all know, Dustin finally left The Dis. His seat was vacant, and Pete was beside himself over the loss of Dustin. The emotional roller coaster Pete was on was a really rough ride for the team in many ways. Pete kept Dustin's seat open and wouldn't fill it for what seemed an eternity. It felt like he was holding out hope that he would be able to lure Dustin back somehow.

I didn't really know what was going on with Pete. Only the guys were a part of Pete's innermost circle, so the women often dealt with the dramatic effects of Pete's personal soap opera without much context (except for Teresa...she knows where most of the bodies are buried. lol). This was one of those times. Pete seemed to be getting more irritable, but I didn't really know why. He was reorganizing things with the shows, and he felt The Trip needed a lot of changes. Those changes all but hog-tied The Trip. We were told that we would no longer be funded for outings in Orlando and had to restrict ourselves to round-table discussions about the theme parks. Since there was already a show about Disney and a show about Universal, this made The Trip redundant. We were told it had to be this way because the guys would now be too busy to spend any time creating the packages (video content akin to vlogs) that we incorporated into the show. We were also told it was not an option for the women (myself, Teresa, and Jackie) to create the packages ourselves because we weren't capable of meeting the quality standard that The Dis required. Craig, Teresa, and I didn't see the point in continuing and thought the show should just be dropped. We would have been content to let it go and focus our efforts on the shows Pete wasn't crippling. Teresa was stretched thin anyway due to her responsibilities at The Welcome Center. She regretted that she didn't have time for her family, and I wasn't so wrapped up in The Trip that I couldn't call it quits. In truth, the show was often an awkward experience for me even though I tried to make the best of it. We collectively felt it wasn't a tremendous loss if we were going to be working under these new restrictions.

One day before we started filming The Trip, Teresa gave me the heads up that Pete would probably pick a fight with me after the show because somehow he heard we were unhappy with the changes he was making. She also warned me that if I was honest, she would leave me holding the bag because she was not about to tell him her true feelings and suffer the consequences. I told her I understood. We filmed the show, wrapped, and just as she said, Pete came in and went straight for me. He very aggressively confronted me. I matter-of-factly laid out the points I mentioned above and said that maybe we should consider just dropping the show. To protect Craig, I did not mention any of his grumbling about Pete's decisions. And when it came to Teresa, I was careful not to put words in her mouth. I expressed that her circumstances should be given consideration as if those were singularly my personal feelings. And I did it all in a straightforward manner.

Because he was looking for a fight to begin with, he purposefully escalated everything even though it wasn't necessary. I had remained calm and collected, but he started antagonizing me and screaming at me. I suspect he was trying to bait me so that I would react and his vicious behavior would be justified. I was boiling, but I wasn't going to give him what he was desperate for. I heard no words at that point. There was only his ugly face screaming. I remember glaring at him, basically daring him to keep going until he turned blue in the face. No matter what, I wasn't going to respond other than with this dead stare of pure hatred. He eventually went silent and tried to intimidate me by glaring back, but I wouldn't look away. We sat there with eyes locked until he eventually broke, got up, and left the room. Craig, Teresa, and Jackie looked at me in disbelief. It wasn't the first time I had been direct with Pete, but I hadn't stood my ground like that before.

Days later, he apologized. I think he didn't know what else to do with me since I had shown some gumption. I briefly found myself being treated favorably again, and there was the gift of a Disney Resort stay for me and the kids around this time.

Not long after this, Pete finally came around and began interviewing to fill Dustin's spot. Oliver was among the top individuals being considered by Pete. He is talented and a hard worker, but if you look at him, it isn't hard to figure out why he caught Pete's attention. They aren't look-alikes, but Oliver and Dustin share some common physical traits as well as skill sets. He had a lot going for him in this particular race. The only thing that would have hurt Oliver's chances of landing the job was that during his interview when he was asked who his favorite podcaster was, he responded, "It's definitely JeniLynn. She is just lovely. I've been following her since her days at Attractions, and she is the reason I found The Dis." Oliver and I still laugh about that to this day because he didn't realize how much of a mistake that was.

Luckily or unluckily (depending on how you want to frame it), Oliver still rose to the top for Pete. And--full disclosure--I was 100% behind this decision because I felt Oliver was the best choice regardless of Pete's not-so-subtle attraction to him. Oliver was hired. Dustin's seat was filled, and we all hoped that Pete would be able to move on so our lives could be a little less hellish. That didn't up being the case for me.

Company policy required the team to float expenses on our personal credit cards. When we paid for meals, plane tickets, or anything else our content required, we did it with our personal credit, collected the receipts, and eventually turned them in for reimbursement. But turning over our receipts was always a very uncomfortable event. Even though it was money we were owed, it always felt like you were coming to Pete with your hand out. Sometimes, I just ate expenses to avoid having to ask Pete for money because it was just so unpleasant, and I never recorded the amounts from my receipts because I didn't think I needed that information. Questioning a check amount would have provoked him, so I figured I was going to take what I was given even if it was incorrect. But to his credit (pun intended?), I don't think I ever had a check come up short. In fact, it was often the opposite.

It wasn't uncommon to float expenses on our cards for months to avoid approaching him, and it wasn't uncommon to wait additional months to be reimbursed after you turned over your receipts. For this reason, it also wasn't uncommon for Pete to generously pad our reimbursement checks. I think he liked this system because it made him feel magnanimous, and none of us complained when he did it.

On the next reimbursement cycle, my check was padded. I didn't question it. Initially, I didn't even notice it because I never looked at checks in front of Pete. I didn't want to risk him handing me a check and interpreting my immediate lookover as supervising his math. I also didn't give it a priority later on because I hadn't tracked how much I was owed anyway. At that time, I had more pressing matters at home that I was navigating.

I had recently uncovered one of my daughters was emotionally struggling and was self-harming. She had started purposely scratching her skin until it broke open. Her dad and I were trying to figure out how to help her, but, honestly, it was mostly me trying to figure out how to help her. Inflated check amounts just weren't at the forefront of my mind, especially since it wasn't an unusual practice.

I think when I finally drove to the bank to deposit the check, I looked at it to record the amount on the deposit card, had a brief thought about it being a lot more than I remembered, reconciling it as Pete being extra generous, and moving on to the next thing that needed my attention. A couple of days after it was deposited, I received a text from Pete saying that he hadn't intended to give me that much. My immediate response was essentially, "Ok. Well, that makes sense. I'll return the difference to you tomorrow. What is that amount?" In so many words, he accused me of trying to defraud him, banned me from team activities, and refused to tell me the amount he wanted back.

I wrote him an email to try and establish a line of communication. In it, I painfully and embarrassingly groveled. I was already working on leaving The Dis, but this was happening too soon. I had two very strong possibilities sitting outside for me, but my ducks had not been lined up yet, and I still had three kids to take care of--one with a new and serious issue. It was not the time to be thrown into sudden unemployment. I was terrified.

I walked into the studio the next day with a check for $1k and asked Ryno to make sure Pete received it. I didn't know if that was the amount he felt he was owed. I had to take a guess. But once I dropped it off, I texted Pete to tell him the money had been returned. You guys have the screenshots of those texts in a previous thread for verification.

He never cashed that check. Instead, he began telling the team I was a thief. The team knew I had not stolen from Pete. My history at The Dis didn't line up with that. Corey spent about a full week trying to intervene on my behalf. I know that Craig also spoke up for me when he was given the chance. It fell on deaf ears. Pete was hell-bent on getting rid of me. His reaction was really extreme. He was the one who had made the mistake, and my immediate response was, "No problem. How much do you need back?" The whole thing felt manufactured like it had been when he tried to bait me into that fight a month before.

The inevitable did happen. Corey realized Pete was immovable on this and I was going to be terminated. He twisted himself into knots with apologies and asked me to forgive him because Pete was forcing him to witness my termination. He walked me to Pete's living room. I was seated across from Pete. John was there, stoic and silent. And Corey mournfully took a chair. I was told I was being fired for stealing, but I was told that I would be given 6 months of severance pay and 3 months of medical insurance. When I asked if this was in writing as our parting agreement, Pete scoffed. Nothing would be put in writing, and then I understood that this "severance" was hush money and that its ability to be taken from me would be used to ensure I did exactly what Pete wanted for at least 6 more months.

There was nothing left to say. The meeting ended. Corey walked me to the door and began apologizing again. I stopped him and told him that I knew Pete wanted him there to intimidate me, but it had the opposite effect. Corey being there made me feel stronger because I knew he knew I was innocent. I let him know he helped me keep my dignity and a stiff upper lip during it all. We hugged, and then I walked out where I found Craig waiting for me by my car. All stiff upper lips went out the window. We both cried. He was worried, but I told him it was ok. Although he was unaware of the plans I had been working on, we'd had enough conversations that he knew I was going to leave eventually. I reminded him of that and said, "This is just pushing me out the door a little sooner than expected and might not be a bad thing." As I started to walk away from Craig, I do remember stopping and saying, "Mark my words: This is because he wants to bring Dustin back, and now that Oliver is here, he needs my salary to do it."

I got in my car to drive away, and I had the Disney Production Manager on the phone before I made it off of Pete's street. He could hear that I was shaken up pretty badly. I asked if he could take his lunch break because I really needed to talk to him. Thankfully, he sensed the urgency. We met for lunch where I explained everything that had happened. After I had verbally vomited it all up, he said, "This is actually great." I said, "What?" He said, "We've been struggling to find something for you this whole time because you needed a full-time position that would give you a salary. You don't need that anymore." I said, "Huh?" He said, "Pete just gave you 6 months of money for training as a freelancer at Broadcast Production. You can be set up as an Independent Contractor. I hadn't suggested it before because the work wouldn't be steady at first, especially since you are new. But now you don't have to worry about that part. Your finances will be set for 6 months. I'll use that time to make sure you learn everything you need to know. We could have this thing totally figured out before the 6 months are up. Maybe at the end, you still decide to go full-time with Inside the Magic. Maybe you don't. Let's take the next 6 months and see what happens." That did not sound bad to me.

Hours later, I was able to get ahold of Ricky Brigante. I told him that I knew we had set a deadline for January 2017 but that timeline might need to be accelerated. I explained there wasn't a crisis because of my plan to use my "severance" while I picked up jobs at Disney. It still gave me time to look into the legal issue and him time to look for funding. He was cool with everything. We agreed to pick back up again in about 6 months.

I went to sleep that night stressed and exhausted but not panicked. Pete thought he had sent me packing with my tail between my legs, but I relished the fact that he would inadvertently be the reason I got my foot in the door at Disney. And 6 months later, I got a huge kick out of announcing my start with Inside the Magic. I hear it was that day Pete's lawyer informed him that the non-compete he thought was in my contract wasn't actually there.
Wow, this is definitely one of those cases where getting fired turned out to be the best thing that could happen.

I didn't know about the Dis until I think Oliver had been there a little while, or was about to leave. He is why I started watching the Dis, so that hire was pretty smart! I really loved This Orlando Life, that show seemed so much more fun than the Dis.
 
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Corey and John absolutely knew what they were dealing with in Pete, but refused to take action. To me that makes BOTH of them just as guilty. My opinion of Corey has completely reversed. He sympathized with you but refused to stand up for what was right and I am sure this wasn't the only time.
Might be a good idea for Corey to stop telling viewers "I'm just happy to be here."
 
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Ryno mentioned on one of his livestreams that you didn't like him
I've been wondering about this as well. I would guess that he took part in throwing coworkers under the bus for his gain or protection or whatever you want to call it. Pete asked me who my favorite person on the show was as well. I said JL, especially when she was on the universal show because was the adult in the room with a couple of adolescents. But I actually loved how relaxed and ridiculous Craig and Ryno were on the universal show, and then JL would just comically sigh out of annoyance as she tried to keep the conversation and topic moving along. Anyways, back to when told Pete that JL was my favorite, he told me "well you know she was actually a very hard person to work with. Craig and Ryno always complained to me that she was lazy and would never pull her weight." Again, I have seen the light and recognize that I can't really trust anything he told me. But I do wonder if they talked bad about JL to Pete before and after her termination to help them stay in good graces with the evil queen. 💁
 
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@imjenilynn Like @Cinnamon1, I am also wondering if the rest of the Dis staff thought Kevin was an insufferable snob.
As far as I knew, when I was there, everyone was on good terms with Kevin. He and Pete might have an occasional brush, and Jackie seemed to bring out his mean girl streak, but there were no active wars between Kevin and the other members of the team. Aside from the occasional snarky comment (which we were all prone to throwing out), he was fine.

When I first started working at The Dis, I was certain if I had a run-in with anyone, it would be Kevin. I had been a listener many years prior and had the same impression that you guys have because he presents himself as a diva on camera. Imagine my surprise when Kevin, initially, was one of the most welcoming to me.

I didn't have many interactions with Kevin during my time there. He and John mainly kept to themselves and showed up on their podcast days, but when I did interact with Kevin, he was very kind to me. He can be very charming when he wants to be...emphasis on when he wants to be.
 
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Was curious to see if any of this has been picked up on the Dis Boards. If it was, it has been since deleted. Not surprised, but so DisAppointed....

Corey is spineless and does not deserve any protection "fans" seem to give him. Complete enabler. I am sure they bought some time with Erica leaving, but that ship is taking on water and sinking...

Craig, you do not want to go down with the ship here. Get out NOW!!!! You would be better off starting your own thing then being beholden to John and his old school "business savvy". Remember the Me Too movement? Yeah, John is one of the people that whole thing was about. Enabling the lowlifes while profiting off them.
 
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Hi @imjenilynn , I hope you have this answer, do you know the actual story with Sean Thompson being let go from the Dis? What is the story there? I've always wondered that ever since it happened!
In truth, I don't have first-hand knowledge of Shaun's story. Pete was very quick to isolate him, eliminate him, and sweep the situation under the rug.

Me finding out about Shaun's termination is actually in the pre-roll of one of the episodes. I had been stuck in traffic and made it in time for the show by the skin of my teeth that day. Our audio was already live as I slipped into my seat, looked around the room, and said, "Where's Shaun?" Pete responded very abruptly and a bit curtly, "Shaun is not here." That was it. He didn't say more. The tone said enough.

In my opinion, Shaun was the very best of us. I mean that to the depths of my soul. He was so smart and well-spoken. My personal feeling is that he was the most talented person on the team. Additionally, his heart truly was golden, and he deserved so much better than what he got.

Pete framed him as lazy. He said that Shaun played around too much instead of finishing the development of the Universal Show's site. This was the story the team was given for his departure. I doubt any of us believed it. I know that I didn't.

When Shaun left, he really left. I think a number of us tried to reach out to him in spite of Pete. I know that I did. He didn't always respond, and when he did, it was brief. It was clear that communicating with us was uncomfortable for him (Craig was the exception). And the actual reason for Shaun's departure was kept very tight-lipped. It was a really long time before someone was willing to share what I believe to be the true story. And even then, I was given no detail. This was something no one wanted to talk about.

I am going to tread carefully here because this is not actually my story, and my understanding is that Shaun would like to erase himself from The Dis' history. I want to respect that. In the same breath, you should all know that it is most likely Shaun was fired for being noble and a true friend. I was told that at a time when Dustin seemed to be particularly struggling, Shaun offered support and communicated he would help if Dustin wanted it. When Pete found this out, Shaun was basically done. Pete only waited long enough to dig up a reason he felt he could use to justify getting rid of him.

That is all I will ever say about Shaun in this forum. I'm told he wants his time with The Dis to be forgotten. That doesn't seem possible because his goodness lived large in that cesspool, but I won't be speaking about him again in an attempt to help his story fall away.

Hi @imjenilynn ,

I don't recall, what was the deal with Pete and JL and SeaWorld? Were one of them for SeaWorld and the other person was against them?
The story revolved around the fallout from Blackfish. If I recall this accurately, there was a branch of government that finally succeeded in banning SeaWorld's breeding practices for Orcas. It was one of the big stories that week. Pete ranted that this particular leg of government didn't have the authority to put this into law. I remember him saying something like, "And that is the real issue." Everyone was silent for a second or two. Then I spoke up and said something along the lines of, "Why is that the issue? That's not the issue for me. The issue for me is whether it is morally right to be breeding these creatures in captivity." I think Pete was a little shamed by my response--and that never went well for me off-camera--but it did open the door for the team to more comfortably participate in the discussion.
 
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In truth, I don't have first-hand knowledge of Shaun's story. Pete was very quick to isolate him, eliminate him, and sweep the situation under the rug.

Me finding out about Shaun's termination is actually in the pre-roll of one of the episodes. I had been stuck in traffic and made it in time for the show by the skin of my teeth that day. Our audio was already live as I slipped into my seat, looked around the room, and said, "Where's Shaun?" Pete responded very abruptly and a bit curtly, "Shaun is not here." That was it. He didn't say more. The tone said enough.

In my opinion, Shaun was the very best of us. I mean that to the depths of my soul. He was so smart and well-spoken. My personal feeling is that he was the most talented person on the team. Additionally, his heart truly was golden, and he deserved so much better than what he got.

Pete framed him as lazy. He said that Shaun played around too much instead of finishing the development of the Universal Show's site. This was the story the team was given for his departure. I doubt any of us believed it. I know that I didn't.

When Shaun left, he really left. I think a number of us tried to reach out to him in spite of Pete. I know that I did. He didn't always respond, and when he did, it was brief. It was clear that communicating with us was uncomfortable for him (Craig was the exception). And the actual reason for Shaun's departure was kept very tight-lipped. It was a really long time before someone was willing to share what I believe to be the true story. And even then, I was given no detail. This was something no one wanted to talk about.

I am going to tread carefully here because this is not actually my story, and my understanding is that Shaun would like to erase himself from The Dis' history. I want to respect that. In the same breath, you should all know that it is most likely Shaun was fired for being noble and a true friend. I was told that at a time when Dustin seemed to be particularly struggling, Shaun offered support and communicated he would help if Dustin wanted it. When Pete found this out, Shaun was basically done. Pete only waited long enough to dig up a reason he felt he could use to justify getting rid of him.

That is all I will ever say about Shaun in this forum. I'm told he wants his time with The Dis to be forgotten. That doesn't seem possible because his goodness lived large in that cesspool, but I won't be speaking about him again in an attempt to help his story fall away.


The story revolved around the fallout from Blackfish. If I recall this accurately, there was a branch of government that finally succeeded in banning SeaWorld's breeding practices for Orcas. It was one of the big stories that week. Pete ranted that this particular leg of government didn't have the authority to put this into law. I remember him saying something like, "And that is the real issue." Everyone was silent for a second or two. Then I spoke up and said something along the lines of, "Why is that the issue? That's not the issue for me. The issue for me is whether it is morally right to be breeding these creatures in captivity." I think Pete was a little shamed by my response--and that never went well for me off-camera--but it did open the door for the team to more comfortably participate in the discussion.
Thank you JL ❤ I agree with everything you said about Shaun Thompson. He was so great and well spoken. I loved his time when he was with the show, especially during the 7 in 7s that he was apart of, as well as the Beyond the Parks. I guess when he always said that he's very uncomfortable, he was VERY uncomfortable. I hope he's doing great.
 
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Thank you JL ❤ I agree with everything you said about Shaun Thompson. He was so great and well spoken. I loved his time when he was with the show, especially during the 7 in 7s that he was apart of, as well as the Beyond the Parks. I guess when he always said that he's very uncomfortable, he was VERY uncomfortable. I hope he's doing great.
I follow him on IG & have for years- he seems to be doing well. He doesn’t post a ton and there isn’t much about his private life, but good on him
for getting out.
 
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Was curious to see if any of this has been picked up on the Dis Boards. If it was, it has been since deleted. Not surprised, but so DisAppointed....
I understand that JL's posts on Tattle have been brought up at least a couple of times on the DIS Boards but the threads have been deleted pretty quickly. The posters haven't been sanctioned or communicated with by a moderator but their comments have been removed. I think people are very wary of pushing the boundaries there, you can get an immediate lifetime ban even if you've had no previous infractions. That happened to me a couple of years ago when Kevin was being insufferably elitist on a show and I criticised him in the Youtube comments and on the boards. Jackie banned me for life with no chance of parole, even though I'd been a member since 2009 and was a Patreon supporter. I have a feeling this was a directive from John. Not really a problem as I re-registered using a different email address and I now use a VPN. And they no longer got my $10 a month so it was their loss.
 
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