The Archie Battersbee case

[ChastityDingle]

I'm thinking back to the Charlie Gard and Alfie Evans cases and now this one.

In addition to the hassle and horrible stuff that the hospital staff have to endure, there's also so many other people, patients and families of patients in those hospitals to whom these 'armies' give not even the slightest thought.

 

[Tippingpoint23]

I’ve been following this case and just found this thread. This case along with all the ones before it make me so angry I cannot even describe it. The NHS and the medical staff are acting in the best interest of the child, not their lunatic mothers or families. The fact the courts allow these to drag on so long is just a joke. It’s such a waste of money on legal fees and for the NHS and it’s infuriating.

 

[beyoncescleaner]

Why do AA infantilise him so much. It's weird.

In most recent photos of him he’s wearing hoodies, tracksuits, looking very much like a wannabe drill rapper - same with his TikTok, listening to rap etc. The way they’ve put him amongst teddy bears and got him wearing brightly coloured t shirts, like… he’s not three years old, and he’d probably hate all those clothes and teddies

 

[iLoveNectarines]

In most recent photos of him he’s wearing hoodies, tracksuits, looking very much like a wannabe drill rapper - same with his TikTok, listening to rap etc. The way they’ve put him amongst teddy bears and got him wearing brightly coloured t shirts, like… he’s not three years old, and he’d probably hate all those clothes and teddies

I can understand this, but also think it's a sort of coping mechanism. My mum was in a coma years ago when I was in my teens and people bought her teddies and I remember my grandparents speaking to her like she was a baby. I remember it irritated me but now looking back as an adult I think it was just their way of dealing with the situation

 

[WeepingCassandra]

In todays episode of “groundbreaking medical science”

Oh god they’re going to try and feed him aren’t they

 

[chickhicks86]

I don’t get this gynaecologist thing she keeps talking about. Is it just made up? Where did a gynaecologist declare him brain dead? In the court documents there were mentions of the various intensive paediatric specialists and neurologists involved with the process.

I assumed that it was the admitting doctor at the hospital he was in first?

You watch

Attempted battles to sue for damages

Some TV interviews where she campaigns for “Archies Law”

How does she know that it was only 3 minutes? Is this the time she is clinging to so that it is not long enough to cause brain damage / death?

 

[Cack Conroe]

Maybe you could follow the conversation and you would see why I said it.




My sister was in hospital three different wards and the errors were off the scale, it was so bad she did a DNR form just so she never had to go into hospital again.. I doubt very much my sister was just unlucky. in fact I know she wasnt as I moved into the hospital to be her carer and I see so many mistakes. . Mistakes happen every single day and hospitals and other medical places are no exception.

We saw many mistakes when my dad was in intensive care in December. I complained and they accepted some of their mistakes. The major one which I believe shortened his life by a few days they are changing their story about and covering up.

Also another family member was paralysed (and ultimately died) after they used the wrong substance in an epidural. She got a big payout but they covered up which nurse was responsible and no one was held accountable.

I don’t believe that Archie had suffered any malpractice, but to deny it happens or is rare is just going to the other extreme than Hollie.

The hero worship of NHS staff on this thread is cringeworthy. No, they’re not suffering, they see worse every day. If they can’t cope with seeing a brain dead boy (who is categorically not suffering) then they are in the wrong job. If they can’t cope with a delusional bereaved mother then they are in the wrong job.

 

[Weeder]

Medical negligence claims number about 10,000 a year (I appreciate that's just those that are claimed). A third of those are successful. I also appreciate human error happens in hospitals. I think the half million deaths in this country kind of puts it in to perspective, it's not statistically a massive problem, though it has a huge impact.

What this has to do with Archie, I have no idea. Personal anecdotes aren't evidence. . They might apply to what happened in your life, but not to anyone else's hospital experience because it can't possibly. There's too many variables.

I'm one of the current or former nursing staff commenting. No ones kissing arse, but I'm extremely aware what jiggery pokery of the mathematical and biological/chemical kind they're doing. You also underestimate the emotional impact of nursing a rotting corpse.


Did you post this for a reaction because I think you did.

 

[Merpedy]

The hero worship of NHS staff on this thread is cringeworthy. No, they’re not suffering, they see worse every day. If they can’t cope with seeing a brain dead boy (who is categorically not suffering) then they are in the wrong job. If they can’t cope with a delusional bereaved mother then they are in the wrong job.

Seeing worse or dealing with worse doesn’t mean they aren’t suffering in some sort of way?

This does seem a slightly exceptional case in the fact that it’s been dragged on for so long and has become public. Can’t comment on how often such cases drag on (don’t think there are stats on this?) but the majority remain private and the family aren’t sharing every little detail, including those that are fake, to thousands of people of the public.

Im sure they deal with angry and grieving family frequently, and some have already said that’s a negative experience, but this just appears to be magnified and not something you can really prepare for

 

[Tippingpoint23]

Medical negligence claims number about 10,000 a year (I appreciate that's just those that are claimed). A third of those are successful. I also appreciate human error happens in hospitals. I think the half million deaths in this country kind of puts it in to perspective, it's not statistically a massive problem, though it has a huge impact.

What this has to do with Archie, I have no idea. Personal anecdotes aren't evidence. . They might apply to what happened in your life, but not to anyone else's hospital experience because it can't possibly. There's too many variables.

I'm one of the current or former nursing staff commenting. No ones kissing arse, but I'm extremely aware what jiggery pokery of the mathematical and biological/chemical kind they're doing. You also underestimate the emotional impact of nursing a rotting corpse.


Did you post this for a reaction because I think you did.

Medical negligence wouldn't even be an issue here if his family had listened to doctors and experts saying he is brain dead etc and has no chance of survival and had the machines turned off months ago.

 

[Tui]

We saw many mistakes when my dad was in intensive care in December. I complained and they accepted some of their mistakes. The major one which I believe shortened his life by a few days they are changing their story about and covering up.

Also another family member was paralysed (and ultimately died) after they used the wrong substance in an epidural. She got a big payout but they covered up which nurse was responsible and no one was held accountable.

I don’t believe that Archie had suffered any malpractice, but to deny it happens or is rare is just going to the other extreme than Hollie.

The hero worship of NHS staff on this thread is cringeworthy. No, they’re not suffering, they see worse every day. If they can’t cope with seeing a brain dead boy (who is categorically not suffering) then they are in the wrong job. If they can’t cope with a delusional bereaved mother then they are in the wrong job.

This is just another way of dehumanising Archie. He is a human being and he is being mistreated and not allowed a dignified private death. Would you be happy for him to be stuffed and put in a chair for his mum to sell tickets? No, of course not, because there is sanctity in human life. His lack of awareness doesn’t change that.
Please don’t presume to tell anyone here what their job should be like. I’ve worked with relatives like Hollie, they are a bleeping nightmare and they threaten you, your legal safety, your professional standing all the time and they suck all your time and which should be getting spent with other patients and their families too.

 

[Gossngiggles]

We saw many mistakes when my dad was in intensive care in December. I complained and they accepted some of their mistakes. The major one which I believe shortened his life by a few days they are changing their story about and covering up.

Also another family member was paralysed (and ultimately died) after they used the wrong substance in an epidural. She got a big payout but they covered up which nurse was responsible and no one was held accountable.

I don’t believe that Archie had suffered any malpractice, but to deny it happens or is rare is just going to the other extreme than Hollie.

The hero worship of NHS staff on this thread is cringeworthy. No, they’re not suffering, they see worse every day. If they can’t cope with seeing a brain dead boy (who is categorically not suffering) then they are in the wrong job. If they can’t cope with a delusional bereaved mother then they are in the wrong job.

I don’t think anyone is under the illusion that medical staff never made mistakes. I am pretty sure all of us are intelligent enough to appreciate that these people are human and sometimes humans make errors.
I also don’t believe people hero worship those who work for the NHS, respect them for doing a sometimes very difficult job, absolutely, because no matter what you seem to think it can be an extremely tough job at times. Dealing with heartbreaking situations and challenging(I’m trying to be kind) people day in day will undoubtedly impact on them as will being accused of disgusting things like starving a patient will wear you down over time. It blows my mind that you think caring for a child’s dead body and dealing with his family who are accusing you of all kinds of negligence is no big deal and people should just have to cope with it, they shouldn’t be in that position.

It also doesn’t matter that Archie cannot feel pain which what I presume you mean by not suffering? That doesn’t mean he is an object to be treated however his family choose. He is a person and things should happen in the best interests of him, not his delusional family.

 

[MrsJones83]

The staff aren’t robots? They’re humans with feelings. There’s always going to be cases that effect people in different ways.
Same as police, fire fighters, paramedics etc, I’m sure there’s only so much they can take before they burn out.

 

[Satisfying Click]

If you want a hyper-resilient workforce who aren't affected by anything, you end up with careless automatrons, to the point of being sociopathic.

 

[Former_Antelopee]

I think it’s the whole looking after someone in that condition without the chance they’ll get better which affects staff the most. Basically just doing everything for them to just stay the same condition, if not worse.

 

[Boring Monday]

The staff aren’t robots? They’re humans with feelings. There’s always going to be cases that effect people in different ways.
Same as police, fire fighters, paramedics etc, I’m sure there’s only so much they can take before they burn out.

A friend worked in ICU … she regularly went in off shift to check on patients and spent hours talking to family.
and you never, ever said the phrases ‘switch off’ or ‘pull the plug’ in her presence.

 

[Leascarle]

What time is the court case tomorrow. ?

 

[Mermer89]

We saw many mistakes when my dad was in intensive care in December. I complained and they accepted some of their mistakes. The major one which I believe shortened his life by a few days they are changing their story about and covering up.

Also another family member was paralysed (and ultimately died) after they used the wrong substance in an epidural. She got a big payout but they covered up which nurse was responsible and no one was held accountable.

I don’t believe that Archie had suffered any malpractice, but to deny it happens or is rare is just going to the other extreme than Hollie.

The hero worship of NHS staff on this thread is cringeworthy. No, they’re not suffering, they see worse every day. If they can’t cope with seeing a brain dead boy (who is categorically not suffering) then they are in the wrong job. If they can’t cope with a delusional bereaved mother then they are in the wrong job.

There’s worshipping them or accepting we are just humans with feelings.

I worked in ICU for the first 3 months of the pandemic. A lot of people who end up in ITU will die. However, this was out of the norm and it was horrific, mortuary trolleys lined up. Someone new in a bed space every shift, knowing every patient in there will likely die.

Treating a patient like Archie, that’s in the media and with that sort of family isn’t the norm for those staff.
I’ve also had a child in intensive care for 4 months so I know this from personal experience as well as work!

 

[super grateful]

I disagree that people hero worship NHS staff (as an NHS staff who has experienced quite the opposite) and I do agree that medical professionals do make mistakes, as do engineers and postmen and drivers, etc. I however have never personally experienced cover ups and find, from seeing colleagues go through trials, that my regulatory body, the NMC, are quite harsh and strict (as they should be) when it comes to disciplinary action, unlike some others. But that’s just my experience.

Also regarding staff not coping and “being in the wrong job”, I feel a little personally insulted by this but hey, whatever. I deal with some really sad tit almost every shift, as it’s just the nature of the place I work. Sometimes I can deal with and empathise the situations well and then one day it all just gets a little much and I become a bit invested, or a patient / family dynamic / mechanism of injury reminds me of my own life and things just get to me. I might cry when a family member hugs me, I might sit out of one of the family chats and let a colleague do it whilst I compose myself, I might need a hug in the linen cupboard, but it doesn’t affect the care I give to that family and actually I think it enhances it - it means I am human and that I care. I have had many families say to me “we saw you wipe your tears when we said our goodbyes, thank you so much for caring for Mum like she was your own” etc etc. Being able to care for a patient and see them as a person aids your decision making and ensures you are seeing them for who they are, not just a job to do. It’s not just go in, put the drugs up, do what needs doing and go home. It’s are these drugs and interventions relevant, does this brain dead child need these? Are they helping him or are we torturing his body and his family?

I’ve lost my point. But basically it’s okay to care. It’s not “not coping”. And I hope those nurses, as all healthcare professionals should, have access to TRIM practitioners.

 

[TheBlondeBuffoon]

We saw many mistakes when my dad was in intensive care in December. I complained and they accepted some of their mistakes. The major one which I believe shortened his life by a few days they are changing their story about and covering up.

Also another family member was paralysed (and ultimately died) after they used the wrong substance in an epidural. She got a big payout but they covered up which nurse was responsible and no one was held accountable.

I don’t believe that Archie had suffered any malpractice, but to deny it happens or is rare is just going to the other extreme than Hollie.

The hero worship of NHS staff on this thread is cringeworthy. No, they’re not suffering, they see worse every day. If they can’t cope with seeing a brain dead boy (who is categorically not suffering) then they are in the wrong job. If they can’t cope with a delusional bereaved mother then they are in the wrong job.

I don’t expect hero worship. But genuinely as someone who works in ICU it can be so distressing to see people suffering and going against what you morally think is the right thing to do. I don’t

I disagree that people hero worship NHS staff (as an NHS staff who has experienced quite the opposite) and I do agree that medical professionals do make mistakes, as do engineers and postmen and drivers, etc. I however have never personally experienced cover ups and find, from seeing colleagues go through trials, that my regulatory body, the NMC, are quite harsh and strict (as they should be) when it comes to disciplinary action, unlike some others. But that’s just my experience.

Also regarding staff not coping and “being in the wrong job”, I feel a little personally insulted by this but hey, whatever. I deal with some really sad tit almost every shift, as it’s just the nature of the place I work. Sometimes I can deal with and empathise the situations well and then one day it all just gets a little much and I become a bit invested, or a patient / family dynamic / mechanism of injury reminds me of my own life and things just get to me. I might cry when a family member hugs me, I might sit out of one of the family chats and let a colleague do it whilst I compose myself, I might need a hug in the linen cupboard, but it doesn’t affect the care I give to that family and actually I think it enhances it - it means I am human and that I care. I have had many families say to me “we saw you wipe your tears when we said our goodbyes, thank you so much for caring for Mum like she was your own” etc etc. Being able to care for a patient and see them as a person aids your decision making and ensures you are seeing them for who they are, not just a job to do. It’s not just go in, put the drugs up, do what needs doing and go home. It’s are these drugs and interventions relevant, does this brain dead child need these? Are they helping him or are we torturing his body and his family?

I’ve lost my point. But basically it’s okay to care. It’s not “not coping”. And I hope those nurses, as all healthcare professionals should, have access to TRIM practitioners.

thsnk you for this! As an ICU worker who has had a rather tit shift and read that it’s just our jobs. You’ve put all I wanted to say better than I could.