But if we're using the class system instead of a socioeconomic bracket then I'm going to use the historical definitions because that's the definition. The idea of 'classes' is from years gone by where your blood lineage did influence your wealth.Yeah exactly, when people talk about class they're talking about wealth and income, not blood lineage
That is simply not how middle class is defined in modern times. Yes your average lawyer and doctor could possibly be upper middle class (depending on their salary and the average salary where they live), but to classify a country divorce lawyer pulling in 100k in the same bracket as Jess’ mum defeats the entire purpose of having brackets. Perhaps we could refer to it as Jess being “economically upper class” but not “aristocratically upper class”?OK. Jess's parents are a doctor and a lawyer which are quintessential middle class professions. Even in American terms people with these professions are middle class. In America there is no aristocracy I get it, but to be upper class you would need to be a judge, not a lawyer, for example. There are layers to it. She is middle class no question.
We do still have a lot of those institutions and titles within the UK though for it to still be applicable.this is funny to me because from a Canadian perspective (& probably American too) where we don’t really have aristocrats, Jess’s family would definitely be considered upper class. the historical definitions are just that - historical and not really applicable to like, the capitalist era
right but, as if we need reminders of how successful Jess’s mother is, she’s absolutely not an average lawyer. lots of lawyers are firmly middle class in every metric, but she was a partner at one of the Magic Circle firms advising on $10+ billion dollar deals and it looks like she’s now a partner at a multinational firm that’s apparently one of the most profitable in the world.OK. Jess's parents are a doctor and a lawyer which are quintessential middle class professions. Even in American terms people with these professions are middle class. In America there is no aristocracy I get it, but to be upper class you would need to be a judge, not a lawyer, for example. There are layers to it. She is middle class no question.
And her dad’s a doctor! And by the sounds of it he’s one that can walk into whatever job he wantsPlus her step dad (who although rarely mentioned, she did spend a lot of her childhood growing up with and is Indie’s dad) was also a v.successful magic circle partner
Exactly this.I've witnessed this debate plague many a British, wealthy/posh YouTuber's threads and it's never occurred to me the divide in opinion correlates with what side of the Atlantic you're on.
In Britain upper classes are aristocracy. Jess is in Britain.
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