Strictly Come Dancing 2024

[soccergirl]

She really hasn’t helped her argument with this post either.
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How is someone being unable to walk to the loo in the middle of the night and having ankles swollen like melons him recognising her limits and accommodating them? He pushed her too far and then had no choice other than to adjust things as she couldn’t physically do more. This doesn’t make him sound kind and caring, this makes him sound appalling and selfish.

Rose is not someone with mobility issues. Could you imagine him being paired with someone like Ellie Simmonds or an amputee?

Imagine him asking the show in week 1 if they could have a week off as he'd ruined her ankles!!
But fans love that image of him carrying her round like a Prince Charming, when he was more of a Gaston...

Rose was a fairly fit 26-year-old, Amanda was 50-odd and with presumably much less mobility and ability to recover. I'm starting to be less surprised that things went south between them.

 

[IdeletedbutI'mbackagain]

Look at their happy little faces

What it's supposed to be about!!

 

[UnknownTattler]

I was reading a thread on Reddit called 'have you seen a celeb behaving like a bellend?', and why am I not surprised that Shirley would be like this

 

[AshT]

I think people here are underestimating how difficult it is to go from non-dancing to dancing all day long as you full time job 6 days a week. It's like going from a gentle walk every now and again to running a marathon daily all of a sudden.
That article says that Rose did very little exercise. She was slim but unlikely to be fit. So she was starting from nothing.
Every celeb complains about the impact on their body and the soreness of their feet.
Then add in the heels that you have to practise in to do the dance properly. My feet hurt after a couple of hours dancing on a night out.
There's a lot Gio can be blamed for, but that's not one of them.

 

[posy]

I think people here are underestimating how difficult it is to go from non-dancing to dancing all day long as you full time job 6 days a week. It's like going from a gentle walk every now and again to running a marathon daily all of a sudden.
That article says that Rose did very little exercise. She was slim but unlikely to be fit. So she was starting from nothing.
Every celeb complains about the impact on their body and the soreness of their feet.
Then add in the heels that you have to practise in to do the dance properly. My feet hurt after a couple of hours dancing on a night out.
There's a lot Gio can be blamed for, but that's not one of them.

That is why the celeb should be eased into it and shouldn’t be pushed to damage their bodies.

 

[daisynoon]

I think people here are underestimating how difficult it is to go from non-dancing to dancing all day long as you full time job 6 days a week. It's like going from a gentle walk every now and again to running a marathon daily all of a sudden.
That article says that Rose did very little exercise. She was slim but unlikely to be fit. So she was starting from nothing.
Every celeb complains about the impact on their body and the soreness of their feet.
Then add in the heels that you have to practise in to do the dance properly. My feet hurt after a couple of hours dancing on a night out.
There's a lot Gio can be blamed for, but that's not one of them.

Gio is the professional partner responsible for the celebrity's well-being, as people have asked questions about Kai with AJ's injury, Vito with Ellie's lift, and Graz with Sally's rib injury.

I'm gobsmacked that Rose couldn't walk before week one. Rose is not the first non-athletic celebrity to be on Strictly, Gio clearly pushed her too far when others are complaining about blisters and she has to be carried around.

 

[Boring Monday]

I think people here are underestimating how difficult it is to go from non-dancing to dancing all day long as you full time job 6 days a week. It's like going from a gentle walk every now and again to running a marathon daily all of a sudden.
That article says that Rose did very little exercise. She was slim but unlikely to be fit. So she was starting from nothing.
Every celeb complains about the impact on their body and the soreness of their feet.
Then add in the heels that you have to practise in to do the dance properly. My feet hurt after a couple of hours dancing on a night out.
There's a lot Gio can be blamed for, but that's not one of them.

But that’s down to the pro assess and build up strength and stamina … and pushing through to that extent is so short sighted. It’s how all the injuries and repetitive strains happen.

 

[AshT]

Gio is the professional partner responsible for the celebrity's well-being, as people have asked questions about Kai with AJ's injury, Vito with Ellie's lift, and Graz with Sally's rib injury.

I'm gobsmacked that Rose couldn't walk before week one. Rose is not the first non-athletic celebrity to be on Strictly, Gio clearly pushed her too far when others are complaining about blisters and she has to be carried around.

No she and the other celebs shouldn't be put in that position you're right. But IMO it's not just on the pros in these situations, it's on the show and on the expectations of the public and the celebs also have an element of personal responsibility to take here. The pros push because that's the standard expected of them. The level of dances we see on the show don't come from a few gentle hours training a day.
Too much is expected of amateur untrained dancers. Too much pressure and too high a standard. In years gone by the celebs were eased into it with short gentle dances. Now they're expected to do lifts and specialist dances from the start.
Adam Peaty was a currently competing Olympic medalist and made comments about the pain his body was in during the show.
And I've frequently heard people on here complain about the levels on DWTS and the Italian Strictly. Well that's what you get when there's less training and the choreography is limited to the ability of the celeb.

 

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[soccergirl]

Gio himself said there 'I pushed her too hard'. Rose was his 7th partner, so he should have known better. Yes, it's a rite of passage for the celebs to complain about blisters and bruises but this seems excessive (and definitely shouldn't be held up as a postive example of how 'caring' he is).

Compare with Vito who said Ellie was also unfit at the start and spent time building up her fitness, teaching her the basics of warming-up and different exercises to develop muscle strength.

 

[AshT]

But that’s down to the pro assess and build up strength and stamina … and pushing through to that extent is so short sighted. It’s how all the injuries and repetitive strains happen.

I just can't agree that it's all on the pro. They're under pressure from the powers that be too. It's a whole system change that needs to happen. Say the pro says something is too much and the celeb wants to keep pushing? Say the celeb gets knocked out of the competition because the pro refuses to do a lift or to train more than the others? These decisions are not all on a pro.
And besides all that, the pros don't even get full control the ridiculous choreography anymore. The new format means they've got assistant choreographers assigned to each couple.

 

[ButtonDownTheHutches]

But that’s down to the pro assess and build up strength and stamina … and pushing through to that extent is so short sighted. It’s how all the injuries and repetitive strains happen.

Indeed. Imagine if Lauren had decided to ‘push’ Krishnan - she could have killed him!

 

[Boring Monday]

No she and the other celebs shouldn't be put in that position you're right. But IMO it's not just on the pros in these situations, it's on the show and on the expectations of the public and the celebs also have an element of personal responsibility to take here. The pros push because that's the standard expected of them. The level of dances we see on the show don't come from a few gentle hours training a day.
Too much is expected of amateur untrained dancers. Too much pressure and too high a standard. In years gone by the celebs were eased into it with short gentle dances. Now they're expected to do lifts and specialist dances from the start.
Adam Peaty was a currently competing Olympic medalist and made comments about the pain his body was in during the show.
And I've frequently heard people on here complain about the levels on DWTS and the Italian Strictly. Well that's what you get when there's less training and the choreography is limited to the ability of the celeb.

I mean, we’ve talked on here over the series about how the celebs are expected to do way too much … especially with Ellie nearly rearranging her face for a stupid lift. The girls are expected to be acrobats-cum-gymnasts and the blokes given responsibly for the health of their partner (Jody looked rightly terrified at having to do lifts, and I‘m sure that in one of his very early dances Nigel was supposed to be twirling Katya up and down in a headbanger but went with a slight wobble well away from from the floor).

I think the consensus here was stick to the traditional dances for the first weeks and leave the flashy lifty dances until the celeb is more able.

The thing with sportspeople is they use their bodies in a certain way for their sport. I could cycle at a fairly nippy rate at one time of day … can’t run for toffee though. going from something like swimming to dancing is a huge shift for the muscles. It’s like Victoria Pendleton who had an absolute core of steel but danced like a rag doll. The best sports people for dancing are either actual gymnasts or ones where balance plays a big part in the day job … cricketers, or track and field that’s not just pure running like hurdling.

But then, when a celeb does say, no it’s too much they get called Slacker McSlackerton of Slackertown who should just suck it up.

 

[Glaschelle]

Gio himself said there 'I pushed her too hard'. Rose was his 7th partner, so he should have known better. Yes, it's a rite of passage for the celebs to complain about blisters and bruises but this seems excessive (and definitely shouldn't be held up as a postive example of how 'caring' he is).

Compare with Vito who said Ellie was also unfit at the start and spent time building up her fitness, teaching her the basics of warming-up and different exercises to develop muscle strength

Natasha Kaplinsky (series 1 winner) also complained about the toll on her body. Said she'd lost toenails!!!

And if you look at series 1, they're quite sedate compared to these days.

I still think Gio won't survive this palava. Which is a shame for him and the series. Because if you look back, he's delivered some outstanding dances with his partners.

I'll say this now - the dances Gio cheorgraphed in his first series with Georgia are better than anything Vito has done in 2 series.

I know you all salivate over Vito but I find him deeply annoying. Also although Ellie was a lovely dancer, her dances were quite boring and I kept forgetting she was there

Which could have been why he went mental with lifts and nearly killed her in the showdance.

I said on the night of final, the dance didn't need the lifts. The lifts actually detracted from the dancing

Anyway for series 2024 of Strictly, I want Jojo, Nikita, Kataya and Gratz to be on ringer duty. Vito can get the older lady contestant!!!

 

[soccergirl]

I don’t think anyone here has said Gio isn’t a good choreographer although he’s looked like his heart’s not in it anymore.
Fine not to like Vito but I think it’s a stretch to say Vito’s AS, foxtrot, VW and CCC, and paso with Ellie, as well as samba and QS with Fleur, were worse than what Gio did with Georgia! (TBF I only really remember her Charleston (which was great but Gio didn’t choreo) and jive (when he looked up her skirt but it was cute). I’m sure she had other good routines - I vaguely remember a blindfold and a messy samba to Volare.
(Oh I just remembered their CCC to I Will Survive with Georgia in that tacky dress, which I didn’t like much. Vito’s CCC choreo was much more playful and interesting).

 

[ChastityDingle]

But then, when a celeb does say, no it’s too much they get called Slacker McSlackerton of Slackertown who should just suck it up.

And the judges push that on them too, the need for long hours.
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I'm nearly sure Shirl had a dig at Nigel because he apparently was going home at a reasonable hour. And she praised Layton - more than once, I think - for the hours he was putting in.

I didn't know that before about Rose being carried around. That's absolute crazy stuff. Seriously they need to rethink a lot of things before the next series.

 

[posy]

I find Gio’s choreography the same with all his partners if it isn’t choreographed by someone else. Fair enough - if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. He has done some very lovely routines, although I didn’t think much of his partnership with Georgia. He did some really good dances with Faye. I really enjoyed the dance he did with Ranvir on musical week.

Vito is a very talented dancer, he seems very versatile - think his athleticism helps. Many years ago, Bonachela was commissioned to work with the cuban national contemporary dance company and I saw them perform it was the first time they had ever performed outside of Cuba - my god they were amazing - goose bumps the whole performance. Vito for me moves similarly to them and feels the music like they did. Can’t quite explain it but they become the dance. Why I adore Vito.

In his first series Matthew Bourne commented on how good Vito’s choreography was - so think Vito a bit like Nikita does a modern twist on the ballroom/latin which I guess isn’t to everyone taste - but is to mine.

 

[AshT]

It is crazy that she Rose had to be carried around and that nobody around the entire production thought to step in and say she needed rest. But it's no different really to Hamza last year barely being able to walk because of his knees. Or AJ delaying treatment and being pumped with steroids in the hope she could perform. None of these things are ok.
I'm not really into supporting any one pro unconditionally. Their partnerships each year changes my opinion. I liked Vito and Ellie (apart from that ridiculous list) this year, but apart from two dances with Fleur, i thought there was a mismatch in choreo.
I've liked some of Gios partnerships and hated others but overall I think the worst thing that ever happened was him winning the show. He couldn't handle the praise and his ego exploded. TBF most would struggle with the total nonsense that went on over Rose and him winning.
I do think it's a shame because at one stage he was one of the better dancers and choreographers. And contrary to what was said above, before he won, he was much better at working out what the celebs public appeal was and creating dances that matched that.
I also think that he was only given the Rose shaped golden ticket because he had been praised so much for adapting to his partners before.
I'm certainly not defending him, and agree that some of his behaviour has been shady in recent times but I also think there's a witch hunt going on and he's currently being attacked for things that most of the other pros get excused for.

 

[posy]

Out of all the current pros it’s Katya’s choreography that tends to stand out the most for me. Love her creativity.

 

[ChastityDingle]

I think maybe they were simply ill-matched. They produced some lovely performances, but she did seem quite on edge, and not particularly enjoying herself.

I'm not defending him but there's possibly fault on both sides. She has a difficult home situation, I gather, and maybe that played into whatever happened too. I remember the first night just as they were about to run up to the Clauditorium, I felt that Gio was steeling himself as if - 'here we go, this is the next bit I have to get through'. I posted about it here at the time, so maybe his heart wasn't in it either.

If say Angela S was with Gio, she seemed to be the type who would say nope, I have had enough. But not for anything would I have wished Angela to be with anyone but Carlos.