Well you get what you pay for.I hate the Kardashian circus, but the kids are soooo cute.
Well my very well informed mate told me the meaning, as he saw it. If it’s harmless in Ireland it’s not elsewhere, so I’d err on the side of not having it in. I have heard of ponce, not used at a gay person just an nosying person as others on here have said too. There’s probably regional variations?I am gay.
I'm really not offended by the word "faggot". I don't think it's particularly prevalent and is pretty outraged in itself.
The line in Fairytale of New York uses the word in its Irish context. In Ireland a faggot is a lazy, slobbish person. Context is everything, and I don't think it needs to be removed. I haven't met a gay man in real life who disagrees.
I find ponce much more offensive. Ponce is absolutely a homophobic slur, and is relatively widely-used. I'm not sure how you haven't heard it before. It's to indicate someone who is limp-wristed, and a bit soft and up themselves. Picture a man who works in a department store.
I think the original poster was mixing up ponce with n. A n is a pedalo.
I suppose we all have different views. I detest "queer".
I’m not confusing ponce with n once, as I know the origins of that. It’s specifically for sex offenders.
Ponce could be used for women and men, to mean an annoying person not doing anything useful, or as a sponger. Gender neutral.
I and others dispute this. As you say it’s not the case in London, it has two separate uses in London, both gender neutral. Maybe it’s a new trend? But I’ve never heard it directed at a gay person.I agree, growing up in London 'ponce' was someone who always wanted something for nothing- always around to have a drink bought for them but their round was never bought. Or wanting fag, food etc but gave nothing in return. I never realised the homophobic connotations until this thread.
ponce has always been a pweirdo
I knew the original meaning of ponce was to live off of immoral earnings, but it then evolved to the other two meanings I’ve outlined.
In the Cambridge Dictionary it has the sponger usage, and one including an “effete man” . That must be new. To me and the others on here.
Faggot, though ,even if harmless in Ireland isn’t elsewhere so I can’t see why it shouldn’t be taken out.
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