Totally. You can notice some personality issues without thinking it could lead to murder.
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Indeed, we know little about the marriage apart from the fact there are a couple of children. It would be interesting to know if she was the victim of coercive control (I wouldn't be surprised if she was).
Did you listen to the Bed of Lies podcast, Season: Love? It is a Telegraph podcast and it is excellent.
The season deals with undercover Met policemen that pose as activists and start relationships with female activists to spy on them. In one season they also talk about the sexist culture: a former policeman describes how at the end of a meeting a man sniffed the seat of a female officer after she got up and everyone was laughing.
Unbelievable
The season deals with undercover Met policemen that pose as activists and start relationships with female activists to spy on them. In one season they also talk about the sexist culture: a former policeman describes how at the end of a meeting a man sniffed the seat of a female officer after she got up and everyone was laughing.
Unbelievable
File on 4, BBC Radio 4 did a 37 minute programme on the 16th November, called Who is Policing the Police? Available on the BBC Sounds App. Definitely worth a listen.
There will be a need for a % to be signed over to his wife - like in divorce cases there is a presumption that if the woman takes time out of work ( and therefore reducing earning capability; likelihood of promotions etc) the courts will expect the man to give part of his pension in due course as it would have been combined income.
When my folks split my dad had to sign over part of his pension in their agreement as in their marriage it was the above that he would look after them both with the bigger pension if she didn’t work for a few years while we were small.
But that won’t give an income now, will it?
Thats a pension sharing order. Totally different to forfeiture which is what will be happen with WC.
There is a minimum WC retains because it wasn't a financial crime so he keeps his contributions but loses everything his employer contributed.
Had it been a financial crime he could forfeit the lot as it would be seen as an asset and could be used to repay his debt. In forfeiture cases there would potentially still be provision for a spouses pension. Depends if WC wife divorces him. If she does then she can go for a share of his pension through pension sharing order, which will be payable when she is old enough to receive it. If she doesn't do that then when he dies she will get nothing as she will have no legal claim as no longer married.
I guess there’s a fair chance of him dying sooner than would be expected
Plans to appeal his sentence......
Surely he won't be allowed to as it would be a complete waste of time? No respect for her friends and family to put them through this.
Surely he won't be allowed to as it would be a complete waste of time? No respect for her friends and family to put them through this.
He's probably just doing it for attention. He must know he's got absolutely no chance. Total rum.
Why would it be a complete waste of time?
Whilst what he did was horrendous, his appeal should absolutely be allowed if permitted to do so by the courts. The fact that you don't like a crime doesn't mean that someone should be deprived of their rights of defence. I can see arguments both ways as to whether a whole life tariff should have been imposed to be honest but it probably merits consideration by the Court of Appeal in an unprecedented situation like this one that sits outside the types of offences detailed as being suitable for a whole life tariff.
Kill someone you shouldn't get a right to appeal. Your rights should be gone for the rest of your days. The law is too soft. Want to keep your rights don't break the law.
I don;t agree with no appeal for sentences, but what he did was beyond "just" killing someone as it involved his role as a police officer, hence I agree he shouldn't be able to appeal. There is a proposal going through now about harsher (life, maybe?) sentences for killing members of the police/armed forces etc as what you are doing is not "just" a murder but trying to sabotage society. It should be the same the other way round imo. What he did has not just destoryed her life and the lives of her loved ones, he has really changed the view of the police in general
He's already been given a right to defence. The comment is that he should not be allowed to appeal the quality of the sentence, so unfortunately no one is denying him rights here.
And since when did grape and murder, let alone the combination of these + desecration of a body, sit outside the remit of whole-life offences?Of course an appeal on sentence should be allowed as for anyone else convicted of a crime, to suggest otherwise is ridiculous and not justice.He's already been given a right to defence. The comment is that he should not be allowed to appeal the quality of the sentence, so unfortunately no one is denying him rights here.
The point you've just made is presumably exactly why they will appeal. Plenty of rapes and murders take place with attempts to destroy human remains - so why does this one merit a whole life tariff? Is it because he was a serving police officer (albeit off duty)? Is it because there was a public outcry? None of these things at present fall within the type of cases detailed in Schedule 21 of the Sentencing Act. So yes, entirely proper to take it to a three judge panel. It's not as if the appeal succeeds and he skips out of prison in a year, it just means he won't necessarily die there.
Lord Fulford’s sentencing remarks are from para 16 onwards in the link below.
Thanks. I should note as a general matter I don't take issue with the decision made based on the factors outlined, but I can see why there are arguments the other way and given the fact this falls outside the categories listed it seems proper to me it should go to the Court of Appeal.
The reason why a whole life term has been applied is for the seriousness of the crime. He used his police powers to arrest Sarah. Without that I genuinely think she would still be alive as she wouldn’t have willing got in a car with a stranger. She thought she was complying with police authority. That’s the most chilling part. He used his job as leverage to act out his horrendous crimes. I hope the monster rots
On what grounds would he appeal? There has to be a more thorough legal argument than not wanting a whole-life tariff. From my layman's understanding it was a watertight case and the judge was well within their rights to impose the order and not just a standard 25-year murder term.
It won’t be to do with the crime he committed as such, his team have probably found a legal loop hole that can remove the whole life order. I have my suspicions that because he pled guilty he would be entitled to a % off his sentence, things like that. Sarah Payne’s killer got his sentence reduced from some sort of loop hole. James bulger killers managed to get compensation from their court case. Sickening. Everyone should definitely have a right to appeal their sentences, it is essential that each prisoner has an appropriate sentence. WC
should definitely have a whole life tariff IMO so please do not think I am sticking up for the vile creature. However revenge is not justice. 