Sarah Everard #3

[chocolatepanda6]

New here but been on Tattle for a while . Something I do which will sound disgusting but if I am walking the dog and have a used poop bag I hang onto it until I’m almost home as I explained to my partner it could be a good surprise weapon . I’m dreading the winter dark nights and mornings I feel like at least during daylight you can see who is around most of the time .
Like a lot of people on this thread I think about Sarah and her family a lot it was just such a horrific event and then the other murders of Sabrina Ness and the young woman in Ireland killed jogging and so many others it’s never ending and nothing ever seems to change for women .

 

[Blurp]

The thing about using the smart sprays is that they dye the skin (and clothes) for up to 48 hours, like the Smart Water used to deter bank robberies, so that the attacker is easily identified and remembered by witnesses if they run off.

While other sprays will drive the attacker off, they don't aid in taking them off the street and out of circulation. The dye would also be difficult to explain away to family.

 

[sassmaster3000]

The thing about using the smart sprays is that they dye the skin (and clothes) for up to 48 hours, like the Smart Water used to deter bank robberies, so that the attacker is easily identified and remembered by witnesses if they run off.

While other sprays will drive the attacker off, they don't aid in taking them off the street and out of circulation. The dye would also be difficult to explain away to family.

I do worry with those spray dyes though, what if the attacker realises what it is and then thinks “well now I’ll have to kill her, otherwise they’ll be looking for me”.
Maybe I’ve just watched too many crime dramas, but it just makes me think of those times when the victim realises who the kidnapper is and then they feel like they have no choice but to kill them.
Honestly we can’t win as women.

 

[Blurp]

I do worry with those spray dyes though, what if the attacker realises what it is and then thinks “well now I’ll have to kill her, otherwise they’ll be looking for me”.
Maybe I’ve just watched too many crime dramas, but it just makes me think of those times when the victim realises who the kidnapper is and then they feel like they have no choice but to kill them.
Honestly we can’t win as women.

They still have to deal with the dye making it obvious that they've been sprayed with an anti-attack spray. That's not going to disappear with a body. It will also show up on clothes under UV light as well as marking them and skin for 48 hours (presumably washes out of clothing eventually too in case of accidents).

 

[sassmaster3000]

They still have to deal with the dye making it obvious that they've been sprayed with an anti-attack spray. That's not going to disappear with a body. It will also show up on clothes under UV light as well as marking them and skin for 48 hours (presumably washes out of clothing eventually too in case of accidents).

Oh I know! I just meant they might feel that if they let someone get away, then the police will be on the lookout for them and they’d be more easily identifiable. From what I’ve read (happy to be corrected!), the spray lasts for around 48 hours so once it’s gone, they’d be just as likely a suspect as anyone (within reason, not taking into account other stuff such as where they’d been seen on cctv or whatever). They could just go into hiding for 48 hours. Most people aren’t officially reported missing until many hours after the fact, so I could see how they’d think they’d be more likely to get caught if their victim got away and was able to report to the police “I’ve just been attacked by this person and he’s covered in this identifying spray”

I know, not really a helpful comment and I’m not entirely sure what my point is. I just feel like even with these measures in place, we’re still so so vulnerable and it just bleeping sucks.

 

[Hollie Day]

But who goes exercising in jeans? I know what you’re saying but it’s depressing that women might give up normal day to day activities out of fear.

The post that person was responding to mentioned walking.

 

[littlepup]

I do worry with those spray dyes though, what if the attacker realises what it is and then thinks “well now I’ll have to kill her, otherwise they’ll be looking for me”.
Maybe I’ve just watched too many crime dramas, but it just makes me think of those times when the victim realises who the kidnapper is and then they feel like they have no choice but to kill them.
Honestly we can’t win as women.

One thing I’ve read multiple times is that it’s a big jump to go from an attacker or rapist to a murderer. There are relatively very few people prepared to kill someone vs muggings/sexually motivated attacks and often the violence in attacks is not the motivation but a necessity to get to the end goal.

That’s why in some cases of being completely physically overpowered it’s better to let the attack happen than continue to fight if there’s no chance of escape. I don’t know if that’s still the advice they used to say, the attacker will get what they want and leave rather than you being seriously injured by being beaten into submission.

 

[CrimsonCountess]

Wasn't sure whether to post this on the general crime thread or this specific one. The inquiry into Wayne Couzens has now been completed, and they've found that he never should have been allowed to join the police to start with due to his history

'The married father of two was reported to police eight times for indecent exposure between 2008 and 2021 but was able to continue in the police due to 'lethargic and inadequate' investigations, today's report found. Inquiry chair Lady Elish Angiolini identified at least five incidents which were not reported to police and warned there could be more victims.

Today it emerged for the first time that Couzens, now 51, allegedly carried out a 'very serious sexual assault of a child barely into her teens' while he was in his twenties. Couzens was accused of attempting to kidnap a woman at knifepoint in North London in 1995 while aged 23. He was also accused of raping two women and indecently touching a man in a bar while wearing a blonde wig.

The inquiry team found that there were instances where he showed extreme violent pornography to friends and police colleagues, in a move to test their boundaries, and sent unsolicited images of his genitals to women.

In 2015, a member of the public reported having seen a man driving around in Kent with his genitalia exposed, giving the make, model, colour and registration number of the car. Couzens was identified as the keeper of the car but Kent Police closed the investigation with no further action and without even speaking to him.'

I feel so sad for Sarah and her family, they must be so angry. There were so many chances to stop him and they failed at every opportunity. It just never should have happened

The missed chances to stop Sarah Everard's killer Wayne Couzens

An inquiry found Couzens' history of alleged sexual offending dated back nearly 20 years before he kidnapped, raped and murdered marketing executive Sarah Everard.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Piff paff puff]

Time Mark Rowley was gone. Though I'm sure they'd just install another useless commissioner. The one before was useless, this one's useless. They don't want to fix the police

 

[Reverend]

Time Mark Rowley was gone. Though I'm sure they'd just install another useless commissioner. The one before was useless, this one's useless. They don't want to fix the police

The Home Office doesn't want anyone criticising them, that's why they have hoistered the last few onto London.

If they had appointed a guy called Hugh Orde when they had the chance, we wouldn't be having these conversations.

 

[Flowergirl14]

Just watched the Sarah Everard documentary on BBC iplayer. So desperately sad. I don't think men will ever understand what it is like being a woman...clutching your keys in your hand walking back home from the train station late at night, etc, etc.

 

[Tommyb]

Just watched the Sarah Everard documentary on BBC iplayer. So desperately sad. I don't think men will ever understand what it is like being a woman...clutching your keys in your hand walking back home from the train station late at night, etc, etc.

I only watched half and cried. Those police texts . Il never forget Sarah. I think her case will stay with me forever. It was such an odd time in the world and everything about it is horrendous.

 

[Jen667]

Just watched the Sarah Everard documentary on BBC iplayer. So desperately sad. I don't think men will ever understand what it is like being a woman...clutching your keys in your hand walking back home from the train station late at night, etc, etc.

It was such an upsetting watch. The only crumb of comfort was that I thought the female detective was really impressive

 

[Reverend]

I can only conclude that he was allowed to get away with the prior crimes because he was a police man.

 

[Boogs]

It was such an upsetting watch. The only crumb of comfort was that I thought the female detective was really impressive

I’m glad the lead detective was a woman. It feels right that a bastard like that was taken down by a woman.

 

[Flowergirl14]

I can only conclude that he was allowed to get away with the prior crimes because he was a police man.

Yes and staggering that he got away with so many previous crimes...
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Just watched the Sarah Everard documentary on BBC iplayer. So desperately sad. I don't think men will ever understand what it is like being a woman...clutching your keys in your hand walking back home from the train station late at night, etc, etc.

So many examples that I can think of:

Having to take a cab at night, even though I only live 5 mins from the train station

Crossing the road if you hear footsteps behind you

Seeing a man walk up my road when I am off the train, and waiting for a woman so I can follow her and feel safer.

So many examples...

 

[Jen667]

Yes and staggering that he got away with so many previous crimes...
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So many examples that I can think of:

Having to take a cab at night, even though I only live 5 mins from the train station

Crossing the road if you hear footsteps behind you

Seeing a man walk up my road when I am off the train, and waiting for a woman so I can follow her and feel safer.

So many examples...

This! In my single days my home was about a 10 min walk from the tube. I don't work regular hours in my line of work and would always feel compelled to get a taxi from tube to front door, even though I couldn't afford it. One time, there was a loud knocking on the door, about an hour after I'd been dropped off. It was the taxi driver saying he'd finished his shift and could be come in for a drink? After that I had to get the taxis to drop me a few houses away as a further safety measure

 

[Millennial Pink]

This! In my single days my home was about a 10 min walk from the tube. I don't work regular hours in my line of work and would always feel compelled to get a taxi from tube to front door, even though I couldn't afford it. One time, there was a loud knocking on the door, about an hour after I'd been dropped off. It was the taxi driver saying he'd finished his shift and could be come in for a drink? After that I had to get the taxis to drop me a few houses away as a further safety measure

Christ alive, I'm so sorry you had to put up with that. I remember being told when I was younger never to get a taxi by myself. Probably because of the London black cab rapist. Okay, so I can't walk anywhere after dark and I can't get a taxi home? duck that, they just want us to stay in the house. So many things you have to think about just to go anywhere.

I was watching a video the other day of someone doing a bus challenge and they (obviously a man) was wandering around London at 2am. The thought to do that would simply not cross my mind.

 

[Megansnarkle]

Christ alive, I'm so sorry you had to put up with that. I remember being told when I was younger never to get a taxi by myself. Probably because of the London black cab rapist. Okay, so I can't walk anywhere after dark and I can't get a taxi home? duck that, they just want us to stay in the house. So many things you have to think about just to go anywhere.

I was watching a video the other day of someone doing a bus challenge and they (obviously a man) was wandering around London at 2am. The thought to do that would simply not cross my mind.

I'm not sure whether I just have a looser connection to life than most but I have definitely gone the other way, if I can get murdered doing all the things I 'should' do, what's the point worrying about all the things I shouldn't? Pre-pandemic I used to walk home from the office in the early hours of the morning on those times when we'd had a late finish (I mean it's a toss up anyway, wait for a cab and risk being abducted or walk home and risk being attacked). There's something amazing about a quiet, dark city (especially in the rain) that's a bit magical and I feel a bit sad that more people haven't seen it then.

 

[ChilliBean]

I’ve finally watched the Sarah Everard documentary and I am absolutely sickened to my core. That footage of him buying himself a hot chocolate in costa after what he had done is absolutely chilling.