I think the nature of making a thread about that person invites discussion of every aspect of their lives, as the person is the common thing keeping the group together. It's not a perfect situation by any means. I sometimes take a break as I feel like there can be a tendency to flog a dead horse, but I like the group - not necessarily for just the Sali critique, but the side convos about beauty, the industry, the impact of all this on an individual's sense of themselves and on society. I'd LOVE to be able to have you all on a separate non-SH thread where the focus is taken away from her, but she forms a small part of a larger mix of topics, but I fear that kind of thread might not take off.
Sali Hughes #21 A Sali by any other name would smell as sweet with pretty bitter topnotes
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Or, she could just accept the fact that she is an influencer, and not a journalist because personally I believe this is the root of the problem for Sali
She's had an unimaginably horrific time because some "internet people" are writing about her on a gossip site?
You just wouldn't be able to imagine it Squalor. Lin Manuel Miranda will need to write a follow up to It's Quiet Uptown for you to truly get it.
The BBC article refers to a specific beauty influencer forum, or words to that effect. I had a google and couldn’t really find anything. I’m genuinely starting to become perplexed, because whilst I don’t agree with every comment ever made on here, I don’t see where people have been awful, so I’m starting to think there is some dark web beauty-specific gossip forum where people are making death threats or something.
It’s.... Becky’s account #wagathachristie
I truly feel with her Level 11 drama over Tattle, which is basically people mocking her and her choices, her questionable #Ad declarations etc, she does a MASSIVE disservice to people suffering genuine horrific abuse.
Prime example, Diane Abbott, an elected public figure who has received death threats, rape threats, you name it - she has had it in bucketloads. Is Sali truly putting herself, someone who has made a living writing about her personal life (husband, family, kids, friends, sex life etc), in the same category as someone like Diane?
Prime example, Diane Abbott, an elected public figure who has received death threats, rape threats, you name it - she has had it in bucketloads. Is Sali truly putting herself, someone who has made a living writing about her personal life (husband, family, kids, friends, sex life etc), in the same category as someone like Diane?
I agree. I’ve got a feeling she’s actually named tattle before though.
I’m pretty pissed of with the articles and comments there on. Im sure there are all sorts of people on this forum but the vast majority strike me as good, compassionate, intelligent people (teachers of children!!). The narrative that we are some kind of monsters hiding in the shadows for having a conversation the central linchpin but not always the main topic being Sali Hughes is really nasty and also not true. Maybe we should make a documentary!
is anyone going to listen?
I’m pretty pissed of with the articles and comments there on. Im sure there are all sorts of people on this forum but the vast majority strike me as good, compassionate, intelligent people (teachers of children!!). The narrative that we are some kind of monsters hiding in the shadows for having a conversation the central linchpin but not always the main topic being Sali Hughes is really nasty and also not true. Maybe we should make a documentary!
is anyone going to listen?
The part where she mentioned her sons teacher- well Sali, your sons teacher can also read about stuff you have written and put into the public domain yourself. Such as your maintenance shagging.
And while I'm on teachers, you once referenced a PE teacher your son disliked in an article in the Pool. The teacher had no right of reply and unlike an influencers career that relies on clickbait, he could have had his reputation compromised by your writings.
And while I'm on teachers, you once referenced a PE teacher your son disliked in an article in the Pool. The teacher had no right of reply and unlike an influencers career that relies on clickbait, he could have had his reputation compromised by your writings.
Yes she really really is putting herself in that category. Mind blowing
It's 100% tattle, we had this with freaky Friday and the first "trolls" video. Everyone here was "ooh where is she talking about, it's not here as nothing she says was ever said here". Then she confirmed in comments that she was talking about tattle.
She's invented a whole different reality. I'd like an expert psychologist to give their opinion on that if there's any money left in the BBC budget
Regarding "Becky", isn't it most unusual that she was afraid of Tattlers finding out info on her but had no issue meeting the person who responded "yes, literally" to Eric Joyce asking if she had our addresses. And someone who was creepily liking photos of peoples kids on Facebook?
Yes yes YES to this
Is trolling gendered? I havent read accounts of men being trolled (apart from Katie Price's son).
Im hyper aware of any claim of a gendered crime being exaggerated, because it makes it harder to shift social boundaries of what is acceptable/considered abhorrent. To claim the same experience as Gina Miller, the scottish MP Mhairi Black, Laura Bates, Diane Abbot etc does have the impression of crying wolf, because it affects future (non-blue ticked) women when they are trolled (with threats of physical and sexual violence).
Sali can be negatively affected by the conversations about her, but if she used more nuanced terminology I'd have more respect for her.
(Didnt she often quote RuPaul "if they aint paying your bills, pay them no mind?" Perhaps she could practice what she regrams?)
Im hyper aware of any claim of a gendered crime being exaggerated, because it makes it harder to shift social boundaries of what is acceptable/considered abhorrent. To claim the same experience as Gina Miller, the scottish MP Mhairi Black, Laura Bates, Diane Abbot etc does have the impression of crying wolf, because it affects future (non-blue ticked) women when they are trolled (with threats of physical and sexual violence).
Sali can be negatively affected by the conversations about her, but if she used more nuanced terminology I'd have more respect for her.
(Didnt she often quote RuPaul "if they aint paying your bills, pay them no mind?" Perhaps she could practice what she regrams?)
Part of my previous post was moved to the support section of the forum by mods (understandably to provide a response) so I just wanted to re-add the part that is relevant to the discussion on this thread:
Respectfully, what is considered 'abusive' or 'hateful' is subjective, so I don't know how clear that line can be? The down side of using this forum is that there are posts elsewhere that play into Sali's narrative about 'dragging sites', even if she has not been subject to abuse on her own threads, which is frustrating. There's obviously much worse stuff on Twitter that is actually being directed at people, but still.
Laurence Fox was called out on Twitter for being racist, and chose to respond to each and every person who called him racist by calling them a paedophile. One of the people he chose to do this to, the CEO of Stonewall, is now considering suing for defamation. Although he appears to have been relatively indiscriminate in who he labelled a paedophile, I saw he also called a British drag queen the very same.
I mention it because it’s a good example of men being abusive online, seeing as how the narrative suggests it’s all female. And I also mention it because that’s what I think of when I think of trolling
I mention it because it’s a good example of men being abusive online, seeing as how the narrative suggests it’s all female. And I also mention it because that’s what I think of when I think of trolling
Tom Daley was trolled and then prosecuted said troll. I don't recall any other high profile male cases (I imagine there are though, footballers etc?).
Tom Daley Twitter 'troll' to be investigated by police
Dorset police confirm they are looking into a Twitter user who accused British diver Tom Daley of letting his late father down.
www.bbc.co.uk
The thing is, in an indirect way people here have paid Sali's bills, by buying the products she shills and ensuring she remains on PR/sponsorship lists.
One point I would like to make is that there are threads on this site which I do think cross boundaries; take a look at Mrs Hinchs thread and that can be truly vile at times. However this thread seems to have balanced contributors which have in the past been Sali fans who have followed her column, followed her advice and joined her various groups. Dare I say it but people of a certain age who for a long time have taken everything that Sali has written and posted as read. Yes there have been posts about her appearance but nothing too horrid; yes there have been posts about her family but entirely and absolutely on the back of articles published by her about them herself. If I was her I would be most upset about the fact that there are followers who have now had their rose tinted spectacles thrown from their eyes as to the true aspect of the life of an influencer which is what Sali morphed into and her downright shadiness about tweakments (hate that word). We are not people who have decided to hate follower a modern influencer we are people who feel that she has been less than upfront about things and in my case basically fed up with her snippiness.
Reading that article makes you realise how much the world has changed in terms of acceptable behaviour on the internet in just a few years.. I always think how screwed I’d be if I ever became famous and someone read all my old stream of consciousness tweets from when I was younger, opinionated and dumber and watching lots of reality tv. 
It’s like when you watch an old tv show and think - wow they’d never get away with doing this now. You can’t have a harmless (obviously not hate speech or anything like that) opinion nowadays and everything is so sanitised and I think the way people with different viewpoints are shamed or attacked forces people into online anonymity. Until you can share your views on social media without being doxxed by someone who doesn’t think you should criticise them but will use their online power and influence to attack anyone who does, sites like Tattle will exist.
It’s like when you watch an old tv show and think - wow they’d never get away with doing this now. You can’t have a harmless (obviously not hate speech or anything like that) opinion nowadays and everything is so sanitised and I think the way people with different viewpoints are shamed or attacked forces people into online anonymity. Until you can share your views on social media without being doxxed by someone who doesn’t think you should criticise them but will use their online power and influence to attack anyone who does, sites like Tattle will exist.Sali turned her life, her opinions, and her literal face into a product to be marketed, sold, and consumed by the common people. Then shock horror she got consumer feedback on her product and as is the case for every product in existence, not everyone liked what she was selling. Even worse for Sali, her target market is becoming much more aware of her shady and manipulative selling practices, so are calling out the hypocrisies Sali as a brand practices. Some of the worst been:
Selling anti ageing products using her face as the product result but not disclosing medical treatments like Botox she really uses to look young.
Lying about existing brand relationships, free/heavily discounted gifts, and sponsorships in order to sell more products under the guise of an impartial review.
Further brand positioning as moral and community driven using a plagiarised charity initiative.
And now selling an anti bullying campaign as part of her brand positioning despite publicly bullying others to the point of victims losing work and sparking major depression. Not to mention, because I can never say it enough, threatening people with retribution in the form of a man convicted of assaulting minors and watching hard core child porn, that she is still publicly friends with!
Sali if you want to see less criticism on your brand, a life you chose to market for profit, take on the feedback and make some genuine changes.
Selling anti ageing products using her face as the product result but not disclosing medical treatments like Botox she really uses to look young.
Lying about existing brand relationships, free/heavily discounted gifts, and sponsorships in order to sell more products under the guise of an impartial review.
Further brand positioning as moral and community driven using a plagiarised charity initiative.
And now selling an anti bullying campaign as part of her brand positioning despite publicly bullying others to the point of victims losing work and sparking major depression. Not to mention, because I can never say it enough, threatening people with retribution in the form of a man convicted of assaulting minors and watching hard core child porn, that she is still publicly friends with!
Sali if you want to see less criticism on your brand, a life you chose to market for profit, take on the feedback and make some genuine changes.
Wasn’t Michael Hogan also involved in bullying Dawn Porter (as she was then)?
Not trying to be a killjoy
, but I think it's best to keep this to Sali and the accusations she's made on her threads (or start a thread in offtopic or forum biz for general stuff). There's a quarter of a million posts on the hinch threads and like all user generated sites there might be some that overstep the mark. But we do our best and any that weren't deleted were because no one reported them, a bit of an issue on that thread as some see reporting as grassing up.I do wish there was legislation to stop Mrs Hinch from sharing her child on social media for adverts then we as mods wouldn't have to keep trying to protect her own child from mean comments.
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