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HollyGolightly

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I don’t think Phil would’ve got rid of MM unless there was someone to take his place
He was definitely looking for a replacement... I think one of them was teenager Liam Russell. In 2018/2019 Phil was trying to mentor him. Liam has mental health issues too so he'd be vulnerable. Since all this came out a couple of weeks ago, Liam has made all his social media accounts private 🤨

I found his IG account back in 2020 and he had pics of PS on there... this one is from December 2018 and it looks like it was taken at TM studios. He'd be around 17 here...

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Tilly Kister

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The core fan base of PS is middle aged women who aren’t very bright and get all their information from Facebook. They share stories of lost dogs in Wisconsin amongst their friends in Grantham. They view Ant and Dec as their sons and have daydreams of Bradley Walsh flirting with them over a “cheeky” glass of Prosecco in Marbella.

They hate their husbands and have religiously been at Slimming World since 1998, successfully gaining 12lbs during that time.
I'm not gonna lie, reading this just made me want a cheeky Prosecco with you. Brilliant, biting and as bitchy as Joan Rivers.
*Swoons a bit.
 
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IamMyaJ

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The core fan base of PS is middle aged women who aren’t very bright and get all their information from Facebook. They share stories of lost dogs in Wisconsin amongst their friends in Grantham. They view Ant and Dec as their sons and have daydreams of Bradley Walsh flirting with them over a “cheeky” glass of Prosecco in Marbella.

They hate their husbands and have religiously been at Slimming World since 1998, successfully gaining 12lbs during that time.
How do you know about Grantham 🫣👀
 
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YeltsinsTank

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Wait a sec-- you guys are allowed to say "shit" and "tits" on TV but you can't say you don't believe something a duchess says?
 
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Scottishfalpal1

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I last looked at my phone at 3pm and we were on page 38 it’s not 5:30 and we have a new thread. I can’t keep up
 
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MsSelfridge

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My issue with the knocking of KK and JM comes from theories around the ‘Ideal Victim’.

The 'ideal' victim is the one generating the most sympathy from society. Those who are viewed as deserving and worthy of victim status by society.

The ideal victim (Christie, 1986) is weak (elderly, sick or very young), engaged in respectable activity, and therefore innocent. Referred to as 'she' in Christie’s work, the ideal victim must also align with desirable notions of (White) feminine demeanour.

If someone doesn’t align with the ideal victim criteria, they are discredited and often blamed for what has happened to them. If we disregard KK and JM because of who they have socialised with, slept with, been in relationships with; or because they’ve done drugs, have suffered with mental illness, or have been seen acting erratically under the influence of alcohol, then we could quickly become a breeding ground for PS simps/PR lurkers trying to discredit MM on the basis he’s done ❄, been partial to a drink, had a sexual relationship with PS, acted out at the NTAs and professed to love PS. Basically, it’s not about the characteristics of the person, it’s about facts. And the facts show PS to be a vindictive, pretentious narcissist with a penchant for gaslighting and abusing people.
 
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ConfusedMango

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Wasn't Holly tottering around on kids TV in fishnet stockings and heels dressed as a french made when her hubby-to-be was a producer at ITV? That's creepy as fuck to me. Someone will have to check the timeline of that. ITV pimping-out a young woman on saturday morning TV to attract older male viewers under the guise of childrens TV. Doesn't get any fucking lower than that.
Yup.
 
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SuperhansKnitting

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Stop, please making excuses for this woman. Absolute minimum when that kid blurted his love for Gopher's Worst Half at the 2020 NTAs she was there. She heard that. She saw the lad lose his sh*t, bothering her, outside the venue, her looking horrified and it was caught by the paps. Shut up she knew nothing. She did and she did nothing: to protect herself. No question.

She's had 3 years to process that information. She's worse than Schofield. He's a narc with no moral compass. What's her excuse for overlooking the abuse of a vulnerable minor?
 
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Pinkpenguinx

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Good lord so much to catch up on again 🫣
Wedding out the way 😂 did have a discussion about the Schofield scandal 😂
The rest or my week will be never ending checking tattle


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givepeasachance

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What I mean is people are saying she new about the grooming completely what I’m getting at is she probably thought it was an affair (I’m not victim blaming). Like he started there at 18? Even though he started then it’s not like she knew everything about it. It’s not like Mike the camera man he like “aye, schofield grooming him you know”. I think she probably caught on as the years went by but not when he was 18 and thought it was an affair then if I’m right with the timeline from the threads NTA night he was in LW? But I think that’s when she found everything out. I think in those pictures where MM looks like he’s screaming at her that’s where he’s telling her it was actually all grooming.
Don’t forget victims of grooming don’t know they are being groomed.
im not saying she didn’t know but I don’t reckon she knew the full extent. A person doing something terrible wouldn’t tell someone the whole story

OK - playing devils advocate here and let's pretend MM was 18 minimum - if a close colleague of yours, in their late fifties, was suddenly enamoured with an 18 year old in the office, would you not think it was suss? That type of relationship between someone in late fifties and an 18 year should never be described as an 'affair'.
 
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mee43

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I managed st stay away from the threads for a whole day 😃 😂
So apologies if all this has already been said:

- I absolutely adore Eamonn for his imitation of crying Phil 😂
- I find Kerry Katona hard to watch so only saw a clip of what she’s said, I just wish she hadn’t brought Caroline Flack into it.
Caroline’s story is beyond tragic, but she was asked to step down because she was accused of domestic assault - not because she had an “argument with her boyfriend”
She took her own life because her mental health was incredibly poor and because she couldn’t face going to trial - not because she was asked to step down pending the trial.
ITV are culpable in the way they’ve dealt with the PS debacle - no question.
But people should really stop using Caroline as the mark of comparison for every new scandal. Imo.
3 - interesting watching Peter Andre on GB news (?!) squirming and trying to stay neutral because he’s not yet ready to burn his bridges with ITV 😉
Give it up, Pete 😂
 
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monsterinlaw

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I don’t think he’s capable of feeling embarrassed. I think he will be in narcissistic rage mode. I bet he’s dying to say something.
Based on my own extensive experience with narcissists - all he'll care about is his public image. That's it. He won't have a shred of empathy or consideration for anyone else, because he thinks they're all beneath him. He'll have treated all his coworkers like dirt while demanding their undivided loyalty and obedience, because it's all about him.
 
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Silverback

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I've read the court transcript too. I fell down a massive rabbit hole with Watkins a few years ago. Please understand when I say that it's my opinion that Watkins isn't a paedophile it's not a defence. Not everyone who abuses children is a paedophile and not all paedophiles go on to abuse however society uses the word paedophile incorrectly in a lot of cases. Saville is a prime example of this. He's known as the most prolific paedophile in the UK's history but Saville targeted the vulnerable; children, adults who were unwell, the dead. People who wouldn't be believed.

Some people have a target victim. Paedophiles are primarily or solely attracted to children. Watkins primarily targeted women and teenage girls. He enjoyed seeing if they'd allow him to abuse their young children or talk about abusing children. He enjoyed pushing boundaries as far as possible. He also enjoyed animal abuse.

Not being primarily attracted to children doesn't make him less of a monster.
With all respect I think it’s best to drop this now. Watkins’ pedalo activity was some of the worst ever reported. Arguing over whether he was a pedalo in what you see as the true sense of the word is pointless and triggering to people. He abused fucking babies ffs. Leave it there.
 
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MarmiteMonster

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When people comment about having learnt nothing from Caroline Flack I want to scream.

Why aren’t they asking ITV that question?

When this was taken to senior people PS had not come out as gay. Anyone with an iota of sense would have known what a huge news story it would make. The alleged behaviour was happening in the workplace.

If they believed it was untrue they had a duty of care to demonstrate they had carried out a full investigation and exonerate PS and clear him of the rumours and any fall out.

If they did believe the rumours they had a duty of care to MM to protect him, from both sexual harassment and abuse of power and from the media.

Either way, ignoring it and sweeping it under the carpet was always likely to lead to this.

ITV learnt nothing from Saville, Weinstein, MeToo or Caroline Flack and senior heads must roll.
 
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