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Hey I’m new to the thread. I certainly had no interest in Peaches in any seriousness but followed loosely due to media etc.
I believe she was a very troubled person. Not only did she lose her mum in such a tragic way, but also very publicly. I could not imagine trying to live a life where I am constantly being compared and associated with my parents just because they are famous. Good or bad parents, she had a turbulent childhood/adolescence that led to some very bad choices later on.
Maybe she just wanted to be noticed, maybe she didn’t and it was an escape. Maybe she wanted to be normal, maybe she wanted to ‘just forget’. Either way, she can’t possibly have been in the best mental state she could have been.
By no means am I blaming/excusing mental health issues as an excuse but surely she must have had issues. How could she not?!
However, I do believe that taking heroin is a choice. Getting addicted to alcohol, gambling etc is different. It becomes something fun/sociable to an addiction very quickly. Heroin is not fun or sociable. It is quite often used as a way to forget.
I have sympathy for Peaches as she did not choose her early years, I lose SOME sympathy for her as she did choose to go down a dark path. Rightly or wrongly at the time...
I believe she was a very troubled person. Not only did she lose her mum in such a tragic way, but also very publicly. I could not imagine trying to live a life where I am constantly being compared and associated with my parents just because they are famous. Good or bad parents, she had a turbulent childhood/adolescence that led to some very bad choices later on.
Maybe she just wanted to be noticed, maybe she didn’t and it was an escape. Maybe she wanted to be normal, maybe she wanted to ‘just forget’. Either way, she can’t possibly have been in the best mental state she could have been.
By no means am I blaming/excusing mental health issues as an excuse but surely she must have had issues. How could she not?!
However, I do believe that taking heroin is a choice. Getting addicted to alcohol, gambling etc is different. It becomes something fun/sociable to an addiction very quickly. Heroin is not fun or sociable. It is quite often used as a way to forget.
I have sympathy for Peaches as she did not choose her early years, I lose SOME sympathy for her as she did choose to go down a dark path. Rightly or wrongly at the time...
I think Helena has quite a dull personality though. Saw her once on Graham Norton and she had no charisma
Paula Yates had a very quirky sense of style which was her own and was hers. It set her apart. However when she got with Michael Hutchinson she felt the need to change her image because she was unfavourably compared to the other women who were in his life like Helena Christianson and kylie Minogue. She then got veneers and breast implants. It was sad really because he obviously liked her as she was. The British Tabloid press are just bloodthirsty though. They really are. They have so much blood on their hands over the years
Sorry Michael Hutchence
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The thing is, there's a big difference between being hooked on the party and actually being addicted to something, especially something as insidious as heroin. Lily Allen had to cut loose from the London and LA party scene and presumably do a lot of work with a therapist to sort out her dependencies and forms of escapism. Cutting lose from the parties scenes and making a decision to go straight isn't enough when you're on heroin. I'm glad to see Lily Allen seems to have finally shaken off some of her demons.
Here here!
Paula was very cool, with her big tattoos and peroxide hair, hanging out with all the rockstars.
Yeah I think so too but I also think she is really, really beautiful. And men want the Helenas I'm sorry to say. As witty and cool as Paula would have been she would have had to do the chasing.
I really don’t think Katie’s “argument” (if you can call it that) is reasoned or balanced at all. She may come across as more composed but the content of what she said was utter bullshit. Talking about how she could smell the breast milk and slagging off the fairly commonplace concept of baby wearing? I agree that Peaches comes across quite insistent and a bit rambly in places but you do have to remember she is only 24 years old here and probably felt she had to prove herself being around three individuals who were also parents and distinctly older and more experienced than her. I’m certainly not a Peaches fan, she clearly had demons and the 180* transformation from irritating trust fund kid to earth mother could be analysed til the cows come home, but at least I learned something about attachment parenting listening to her. Katie was literally a rent-a-gob, as Peaches calls her.
I don't know how anyone could defend Katie Hopkins...
Was just chatting to a friend about this and she mentioned how there were a lot of trust fund types in the camden circles who did anything they could to seem like one of the normals, while half the normals would do anything to be seen with the socialites of the town. Recipe for disaster when drugs of all sorts are around.
Was just chatting to a friend about this and she mentioned how there were a lot of trust fund types in the camden circles who did anything they could to seem like one of the normals, while half the normals would do anything to be seen with the socialites of the town. Recipe for disaster when drugs of all sorts are around.
Katie Hopkins has now become everything that she demonized. I will never forget how she demonized people in debt and food banks. Now she has declared bankruptcy. I think people underestimate just how rapidly right wing she really is. She doesnt believe maternity pay should be paid. A lot of her media persona is as a paid troll but she veered into very murky territory. There are lots of conservative columnists who have had very long and distinguished careers but she went into almost eugenics territory and is now a cautionary tale.
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer person
Does anyone actually know any of these people in real life? Bob Geldof has always been reported as being not very nice at all. It was said by a friend of Paula's that he used to belittle Paula, put her down and was very controlling.
Haven’t finished reading the thread but I agree with this about Paula. I’ve also read her autobiography and used to watch her on the Tube. She’s actually very funny and self deprecating and (dare I say it) much more talented than Peaches ever was. Paula also had a chaotic upbringing. Her mother left in the care of her father when she little, who turned out not to be her actual biological father later on. She also went through the Earth mother/domestic goddess phase that Peaches was in when she died.
However, it all turned to tit when she met Michael Hutchence. She hell for leather pursued him. There was no stopping her and they were totally wrong for each other. I think she was always meant to be a bit on the side, and it was only due to Paula’s manipulation of the press that it ever came out in the open. I also don’t think they would have stayed together if he had died. From the sounds of it, he was preparing to leave her (read a good book about the whole thing written by a former friend of Paula’s)
I also don’t understand some of the martyring of Peaches. She was vacuous and talentless. I feel desperately sorry that she died and left a couple of kids behind but she had some amazing opportunities given to her that thousands of other people would’ve loved to have had yet her general attitude always seemed to be that she couldn’t be arsed. She tried at some points to be a journalist and a tv presenter but always came across like she was doing the general public a massive favour to deign to be on their tv screens. Some of the blame in that lies with Bob Geldof though. He seemed to have a laissez faire attitude to raising his kids, even after everything that happened to Paula.
My issue with Katie, as Peaches pointed out, was that she was ready to disagree from the start. Peaches could have said white was white and Katie would have disagreed. This Morning knew what they were doing pairing these two together. I have to say I’m split down the middle with their views on parenting. I never co slept but did baby-wear shortly when my youngest was first born as I felt a double buggy was too expensive for the six months it would have been used. The problem I had with Katie is, for the older (supposedly) more mature woman, she was degrading and bullyish. What if one of her daughters decides to go down that route/ any route other than hers when it comes to parenting? We all go by instinct most of the time. Peaches was quite good at getting her point across in regards to knowing Katie was gonna be a vulture
I was introduced briefly to Bob Geldof in the early 2000s at a Charity Gala I was invited to. So I dont know him at all but it's a bit complex really. I thought he was misogynistic if I am honest. He is quite dismissive of women, especially if he cannot put a very simple label on who they are that's the impression I got. He was abrasive and didnt really want to talk to any of the women or discuss ideas. However he also tried to keep his girls together. I know people have different opinions on what kind of job he did but I feel he tried.
when i re-watched this video, i realised that peaches’ argument was problematic in promoting cosleeping. it’s not a subject you can soundbite easily without fully going into it, because it DOES cause cause infant deaths. when it first came out and was doing the rounds after her death, i thought she looked great and came across wonderfully but now i watch and think with age comes wisdom i guess. without katie paired with her, like you said, it wouldn’t have been as dramatic and watchable. with another co-sleeping expert or a different kind of parenting guru, peaches might not have looked so good with someone to genuinely counter her points, and can back it up.
I got the feeling Paula was liked by most people, Bob wasn't. I remember reading a magazine that the girls had been conceived the only times Bob had had a bath! There's also theories that Bob got MH bumped off as Paula was going to take the girls to live with them in Australia. Which he wouldn't get them back if she'd done that. Seemed odd they didn't live with Paula but with Bob after. Tiger and Paula were living together when she died. The others at Bobs.
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