Peaches Geldof

[orlyb1310]

Edited to say, I don’t have a clue re Tom’s gender identity. The impression I get is that he is just quite experimental and artistic. Also, the more I look at him the more attractive he is.

He is so attractive.

 

[Lavendergreendillydilly]

I often wonder how a person like Peaches ended up on heroin in the first place. She must have be terribly sad and empty. Back in the old days it probably was seen as just another drug. By Peaches time she knew what it did more than anyone, considering how her mother died. And someone with so much money- it's not exactly seen as the Rockstar class drug it was back in the 80s and early 90s. I know it wasn't the "cool" drug on the camden scene when she was part of it. It's just so sad.

Edit: just to add to this, Peter Doherty, who knows all about the battle with heroin, begged her not to take it up and said "if you must, then be careful". She must have only been about 19 then. Maybe younger. She wrote "i swear not to die" in his journal. Awful.

 

[Gym&Tonic]

I remember Helena being on the front of GQ magazine in her underwear and the headline was ‘Seriously, would you trade her in for Paula Yates?’

 

[Venuslurker]

Crikey some people are being pretty harsh about Michael Hutchence choosing Paula, their chemistry was clear, it's not all about looks, you love who you love and sometimes attraction is not all about who is conventionally more beautiful.
Prince Charles & Camilla vs Diana anyone??

 

[Misbehaving]

I remember Helena being on the front of GQ magazine in her underwear and the headline was ‘Seriously, would you trade her in for Paula Yates?’

Yes i thought that was terribly demeaning and misogynistic!
I don't think that you would be allowed to make a headline like that now though which is some consolation?

 

[lalalanded]

I often wonder how a person like Peaches ended up on heroin in the first place. She must have be terribly sad and empty. Back in the old days it probably was seen as just another drug. By Peaches time she knew what it did more than anyone, considering how her mother died. And someone with so much money- it's not exactly seen as the Rockstar class drug it was back in the 80s and early 90s. I know it wasn't the "cool" drug on the camden scene when she was part of it. It's just so sad.

Edit: just to add to this, Peter Doherty, who knows all about the battle with heroin, begged her not to take it up and said "if you must, then be careful". She must have only been about 19 then. Maybe younger. She wrote "i swear not to die" in his journal. Awful.

It was the cool drug on the Camden scene.

 

[Pixie06]

Loads of posh, privately educated kids take it. Or did.

 

[Raininvain]

Crikey some people are being pretty harsh about Michael Hutchence choosing Paula, their chemistry was clear, it's not all about looks, you love who you love and sometimes attraction is not all about who is conventionally more beautiful.
Prince Charles & Camilla vs Diana anyone??

Actually Paula was really attractive in real life. I was in the audience of the Tube years ago and I thought she was really nice looking. She was really badly heckled by men though, they were calling her a slag and all sorts but this wont have been heard on the T.V.

 

[Vanillaco]

Yes i'm glad you mentioned this morning because i was thinking something similar.
I think katie hopkins has a media career because she plays up to this image that i believe she has deliberately created as some kind of right wing panto villian boo hiss.
Sat next to the young and beautiful angelic looking peaches she almost by comparison looks like the archetypal old crone.
I think this is part of the game and we should take people's media persona's with a pinch of salt?
Sorry i don't mean to come across as patronising because i know having the right image can be very seductive but we know that its not really the truth?
Behind the scene's Peaches was not who she pretended to be obviously she desperately wanted to be a good mum (which is why i feel sad about her) but most probably she was struggling in many different ways?
She does not admit to this but instead paints a rose tinted view of reality?
Next to this you have media rottweiler katie hopkins who is set up to challenge take down to size peaches and her fairytale parenting.
Now you can see where the sympathy is going already?
Its almost a foregone conclusion.
In fact watching it again yes katie looked bored and cynical when peaches was talking but she at least had the patience and the manners (you see thats something we are led not to expect from katie) to be quiet and wait her turn while peaches delivers a rather repetitive and rambling monologue in my opinion.
Then when its katie's turn to talk she very loudly and rudely talks over her and interupts at every single turn?
Even dismissing her (personal attack) and her opinions before she has even had a chance to speak (peaches is definately hogging the attention and also attempting to forcibly dominate the exchange).
I think she wants the kudos of being the woman that took on katie hopkins and took her down (because lets face it katies career is basically professional troll and really she is already a hate figure ?) so peaches really in my opinion has found an easy target?
Which of course makes it all the easier for peaches to virtue signal untill her heart is content but sadly people who do that are nearly always projecting their own issues insecurities and negative character traits onto other people?
Now i don't particularly like or want to defend katie hopkins i think she has said and wrote some frankly offensive inflammatory things but like a lot of outspoken caustic people i know sometimes they can have that kind of killer instinct when it comes to sensing bs.
I think she didn't believe a single thing that peaches said (but she still let her have her say) and interestingly enough i think her critique was mainly of the attachment parenting philosophy and not of peaches as a person.
So really bias aside i think hers was actually the more reasonable and balanced argument but of course a lot of people already dislike her (maybe with good reason) and so of course she can barely get a word in and whatever she says is automatically of little value because she is katie hopkins?
In a way this is a shame because if we had never heard of peaches or katie and they were strangers having a debate we would i think maybe see the whole debate differently?
We might see for example that peaches actually is pretty headstrong and a bit in love with the sound of her own voice and believes that frankly she knows better (is better) than anyone else.
Also i actually feel that this time (politics aside) katie actually was trying to make some valid and interesting points but peaches just didn't let her?
My own opinion is that maybe with time peaches could have evolved into being a fairly decent mother (we know her intentions were good) but really she was a novice when it comes to parenthood and maybe as a young mum just wanted to romanticise the whole thing?
She definitely did not wish to have a reality check of the type offered by katie hopkins and to me she actually seemed quite defensive with attack being the best form of defence in her mind.
Its an interesting subject not served very well when the media pit woman against each other just for the sake of sensationalistic viewing?
Thats highly manipulative of the media in general i think just trying to engineer a catfight?
A catfight that peaches could not resist getting involved in because it probably made her feel better about herself to defeat the foe katie hopkins.
The sad thing in all of this being that in her mind she defeated katie but she did not defeat her own inner demons?
Knowing what we know now its an uncomfortable watch and i do get the sense that peaches was just media/tabloid fodder and that she had to in a way put herself out there because she had bills to pay and was the main breadwinner?
So she had her moment but it had little substance and didn't last because she was in my opinion too unstable a personality to put down boundries or to know how to protect or look out for herself?
Again this is just my opinion based on what i've read about her but her drug use and unstable family background definitely damaged her i think?
Edit to add sorry this turned into a bit of an essay/long post but her life has always haunted people i think its because although a mother herself she was still retained a kind of aura of childlike naivete and its people's instincts to still be protective of her memory and thats something i completely understand.

I think youre giving Hopkins too much credit here. I don't think she believes anything she says. She just says things out of a desperate need for attention. She sounds like she hates herself and is so unhinged she only gets gratification from others hating her too. Her worst nightmare would be someone feeling sorry for her or, even worse, ignoring her. At least Peaches, in her deluded way genuinely thought attachment parenting was good for her children. It must have been a way for her to feel she was a good parent, despite being a drug addict. The same as Paula went through her 'earth Mother' phase when she clearly wasn't doing what most parents do, and just being around in a boring everyday way and doing boring, everyday things. She was too busy chasing after Michael Hutchence.

 

[lalalanded]

Actually Paula was really attractive in real life. I was in the audience of the Tube years ago and I thought she was really nice looking. She was really badly heckled by men though, they were calling her a slag and all sorts but this wont have been heard on the T.V.

I think she was attractive too but trust me when I say rock stars want supermodels not witty repartee. They will shag groupies but anything more and they want models.

 

[SamFoxStuckinaCloak]

I read Paula Yates’ autobiography last year and she came across incredibly sharp, funny, clever and self deprecating. I think she was incredibly attractive to men and as previous posters have noted, the chemistry between her and Michael Hutchence was extraordinary. All the stuff about her chasing Bob down- she was only eighteen and had had the strangest upbringing- she was definitely more than just a two bit groupie.

Went down a social media hole after reading this thread yesterday and turns out I have quite a few mutuals with Peaches and Fifi. I think Peaches was probably a pretentious brat AND horribly damaged- both things can be true.

 

[BigMavis]

Pixie and Tiger Lily are the image of one another.

 

[Lavendergreendillydilly]

Where Paula and Michael together when the big breakfast interview aired or was that when she went on hot pursuit. It made me more uncomfortable this time round.

It was the cool drug on the Camden scene.

I was on the scene (a bit older than her and an Irish blow-in) and the heroin takers where all looked down upon and whispered about. It was taken by certain groups but it certainly wasn't "cool". No one worth talking to on the camden scene thought doherty was cool at the time, before the libertines released their first album. He was sene as trouble but some fools worshipped him like he was oscar wilde or a demi god or something. I get what you mean though, it was there though, it mostly certainly was! But still, it's how her mother died so I can't help but think she was in such a tit place when she started. That OR she just never said no to things like that because she was afraid she wouldn't be seen as cool. I often wonder was she on some subconscious path to end up just like her mother.

She was a dose, really entitled when she was younger at least, but I also think she was very lost.

 

[BegDavis]

I’m quite shocked at people’s lack of understanding to do with addiction.

Agreed. No one truly makes a choice in the grips of addiction with childhood trauma. Anyone that is interested in this topic of addiction or wishes to widen their mind should listen to or read Gabor Mate’s work.

Not every person using heroin is a disheveled homeless person on the streets; addiction wrecks havoc through every walk of life and fundamentally it’s a coping mechanism commonly to escape awful memories of childhood trauma.

It’s just so very heartbreaking this has happened and it made me so sad rewatching the this morning interview about attachment parenting.. I can only imagine the terror, confusion and distress of those two little boys losing their mum. Heroin user or not, she was their mother and they no doubt idolised her in the very short time they knew her.

 

[Lavendergreendillydilly]

Agreed. No one truly makes a choice in the grips of addiction with childhood trauma. Anyone that is interested in this topic of addiction or wishes to widen their mind should listen to Gabor Mate.

Not every person using heroin is a disheveled homeless person on the streets; addiction wrecks havoc through every walk of life and fundamentally it’s a coping mechanism commonly to escape awful memories of childhood trauma.

It’s just so very heartbreaking this has happened and it made me so sad rewatching the this morning interview about attachment parenting.. I can only imagine the terror, confusion and distress of those two little boys losing their mum. Heroin user or not, she was their mother and they no doubt idolised her in the very short time they knew her.

Well said. It's very sad. I think about her a lot. Especially as I look at myself and my friends, some of whom were massive partiers and through away big opportunities because of that life and we've all calmed down, and some have settled down with kids and they genuinely made it out in one piece (maybe not in one piece!) And it's so sad that she didn't even though I really think she did want to change.

She was definitely scarred, not just by the death of her mother but by having a pretty emotionally stagnant up bringing. All the signs are there in that fearne cotton interview alone, the precociousness, the need for attention, the grasping at different religions to get a sense of belonging. It's really very sad that she didn't stop and think "I don't want to end up like mum" the first time she was offered heroin and I hope whoever offered it to her feels some level of guilt at least.

 

[DoubleDenim]

Not every person using heroin is a disheveled homeless person on the streets; addiction wrecks havoc through every walk of life and fundamentally it’s a coping mechanism commonly to escape awful memories of childhood trauma.

Agree, my dad was a heroin addict. He ended up getting off it after a long time and then on the drink which is what killed him. Life is too painful for some and an addiction is escapism and/or gives you a reason to get out of bed.

 

[BegDavis]

Agree, my dad was a heroin addict. He ended up getting off it after a long time and then on the drink which is what killed him. Life is too painful for some and an addiction is escapism and/or gives you a reason to get out of bed.

So sorry to read about your dad

 

[DuckDuck]

That was breakfast television as well. Just awful. It actually makes me feel ill watching it. And it really annoyed me the way she wore her hair in bunches like a school girl. She was never anything more than a groupie.

She might as well have been fingering herself interviewing him .. absolutely shameful . No matter what ‘ job ‘ you have if I , or my husband, draped themselves over someone else like this bags would be packed

 

[DoubleDenim]

So sorry to read about your dad

Aw thank you doll, he was a beautiful soul that chose the wrong path. I've dabbled in various drugs, drank, smoked and gave it all up, I'm just lucky that if I say I'll do something, I'm stubborn and won't give in

I really liked Peaches, I hope her kids can find peace feel a bit unsettled at that lads reddit post with the pictures, would that not be revenge porn now? She consented to getting them taken (maybe?) but not to them being posted?

 

[Tilly41]

Also the moving to a rural area in the countryside. I can attest to this totally and moving out of the city to the countryside was the best decision of my life but your problems do follow you. Also the countryside isnt this panacea it's made out to be. It's beautiful but takes time to settle

Peaches, Lily Allen , Noel Gallagher, Pearl Lowe, Davina Taylor Kate Moss (on and off) have all moved to the countryside to try to escape influences and lifestyles that are just 24/7 in the City. The success they have escaping though depends.....I always thought Peaches had a very romanticised idea of motherhood and living in the country. Very similar to Lily Allen. They try to create an idealised version of the family they never had. It is unrealistic a lot of the time. I always remember Lily Allen commenting that she burst into tears once when she met one of her boyfriends family because she thought they were like the Waltons and she thought that was lovely. That gives you some insight into her psyche.