i agree that it isn’t vegan i’m just saying there is definitely a lot of people that claim to be vegan but still eat honey we must just have spoken to different people lmaohoney isn't vegan? literally everyone I know would say honey isn't vegan and I have never heard a debate within the community saying that it is, it's pretty much confirmed that it isn't? but I agree lots of people will say they're vegan while using makeup that isn't/wearing leather etc and not caring about that part too much as long as they don't eat meat and dairy and that is plant based not vegan but people will say vegan which i think olivia probably is